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measekite
Just like a 3rd party ink vendor. Same philosophy.
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Burt
Look up the pizza wheel issue on MIS ink web site. Last year I read of a
correction for one of the Epson printers that cost just a few cents. Small
stainless washers that raised the Pizza wheel assembly slightly.
correction for one of the Epson printers that cost just a few cents. Small
stainless washers that raised the Pizza wheel assembly slightly.
Richard Taylor said:Hecate said:Yes. Look up "Pizza wheels" on Google for various methods to solve the
problem. The easy way is a little gadget [produced by Permajet
(www.permajet.com).
Hmm £25 for a bit of metal plate, I think I'd rather spend the money on
paper that does work OK!
Thanks for that info though!
Regards,
Richard
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M
measekite
Burt said:Look up the pizza wheel issue on MIS ink web site. Last year I read of a
correction for one of the Epson printers that cost just a few cents. Small
stainless washers that raised the Pizza wheel assembly slightly.
I heard it mentioned ( do not know if it was accurate ) that the cure
for the pizza wheel problem is Epson ink on Epson paper. That is a
costly cure. Not so much the ink but not being able to select other
papers. Epson papers are quite good.
Hecate wrote:
Hmm £25 for a bit of metal plate, I think I'd rather spend the money onYes. Look up "Pizza wheels" on Google for various methods to solve the
problem. The easy way is a little gadget [produced by Permajet
(www.permajet.com).
paper that does work OK!
Thanks for that info though!
Regards,
Richard
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Burt
Measekite, You read this information on this NG. Experience with these
printers, however, shows you to be misinformed and misinforming others.
While some combinations of non Epson paper and/or inks may contribute to the
problem, I had pizza wheel marks on my epson Stylus 900 printer with OEM
inks (never used third party inks in it) and Epson photo glossy paper (not
their thickest paper). MIS had the fix for one of the high-end Epson
printers and it required removal and replacement of the pizza wheel assembly
with the insertion of very thin stainless steel washers to slightly increase
the gap for the paper to pass through. I am not sure that this fix can be
applied to every Epson printer that exhibits this problem as some are easier
than others to disassemble in this area .
printers, however, shows you to be misinformed and misinforming others.
While some combinations of non Epson paper and/or inks may contribute to the
problem, I had pizza wheel marks on my epson Stylus 900 printer with OEM
inks (never used third party inks in it) and Epson photo glossy paper (not
their thickest paper). MIS had the fix for one of the high-end Epson
printers and it required removal and replacement of the pizza wheel assembly
with the insertion of very thin stainless steel washers to slightly increase
the gap for the paper to pass through. I am not sure that this fix can be
applied to every Epson printer that exhibits this problem as some are easier
than others to disassemble in this area .
measekite said:Look up the pizza wheel issue on MIS ink web site. Last year I read of a
correction for one of the Epson printers that cost just a few cents.
Small stainless washers that raised the Pizza wheel assembly slightly.
I heard it mentioned ( do not know if it was accurate ) that the cure for
the pizza wheel problem is Epson ink on Epson paper. That is a costly
cure. Not so much the ink but not being able to select other papers.
Epson papers are quite good.
Hecate wrote:
Yes. Look up "Pizza wheels" on Google for various methods to solve the
problem. The easy way is a little gadget [produced by Permajet
(www.permajet.com).
Hmm £25 for a bit of metal plate, I think I'd rather spend the money on
paper that does work OK!
Thanks for that info though!
Regards,
Richard
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Arthur Entlich
measekite said:This is true of all 3rd party ink vendors also.
I think we've been through this at least half a dozen times. You know
the expression "flogging a dead horse..."
I just recently was informed by someone who spoke to Formula in
California about who they supply ink to. Apparently, they are the major
supplier for dye colorant ink to the 3rd party filled cartridge
manufacturers, most of which come from Asia (China).
So, chances are, if your buy a "made in China" cartridge, it is more
likely to have their ink in it, than not.
Art
M
measekite
Arthur said:I think we've been through this at least half a dozen times. You know
the expression "flogging a dead horse..."
I just recently was informed by someone who spoke to Formula in
California about who they supply ink to. Apparently, they are the
major supplier for dye colorant ink to the 3rd party filled cartridge
manufacturers, most of which come from Asia (China).
So, chances are, if your buy a "made in China" cartridge, it is more
likely to have their ink in it, than not.
Art
I spoke to a well known ink vendor's purhasing agent (I will not
disclose who they are) who told me in confidence who their Chinese
supplier is and it is not Sensinent. They went to an engineering house
in Denver who formulated a product that they have produced and filled in
China. They are going to consider Sensinent here.
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Arthur Entlich
I didn't state that every Chinese cartridge manufacturer is using
Sensient's Formulab inks, but many, in fact, possible most, are. I
understand the "rainbow" cartridges coming out of China use their inks
and having used them myself, I can say that the color rendition and
basic qualities are quite similar to Epson OEM dye inks.
In my case, the savings were very substantial, in fact, the filled
cartridges cost less than buying fluid inks from most local vendors.
Art
From Sensient's website:
Desktop Printing
Sensient's Formulabs division supplies a limitless range of inks
specially formulated for use in desktop inkjet printing applications.
Designed for use in business, home and educational settings, our aqueous
pigmented inks and dyes can be modified to fit custom ink delivery
systems and other special requirements.
Our fully-equipped laboratories allow for timely, quality ink
development; consistent, high-quality ink performance is assured through
our rigorous product development procedures and standards criteria.
Formulabs Services Customer Benefits
Exact color matching - Predictable print performance
Reduced foam formulas - Trouble-free cartridge filling
Tested cartridge compatibility
and long shelf life - Quality performance over time
Evaluation of international
media - Proven performance on commonly
available materials
Dedicated desktop technical
support team - Expedient, effective troubleshooting
Experienced selection,
sourcing and balancing of
raw materials - Sharp text, minimal color bleed, and
drying time
Sensient's Formulab inks, but many, in fact, possible most, are. I
understand the "rainbow" cartridges coming out of China use their inks
and having used them myself, I can say that the color rendition and
basic qualities are quite similar to Epson OEM dye inks.
In my case, the savings were very substantial, in fact, the filled
cartridges cost less than buying fluid inks from most local vendors.
Art
From Sensient's website:
Desktop Printing
Sensient's Formulabs division supplies a limitless range of inks
specially formulated for use in desktop inkjet printing applications.
Designed for use in business, home and educational settings, our aqueous
pigmented inks and dyes can be modified to fit custom ink delivery
systems and other special requirements.
Our fully-equipped laboratories allow for timely, quality ink
development; consistent, high-quality ink performance is assured through
our rigorous product development procedures and standards criteria.
Formulabs Services Customer Benefits
Exact color matching - Predictable print performance
Reduced foam formulas - Trouble-free cartridge filling
Tested cartridge compatibility
and long shelf life - Quality performance over time
Evaluation of international
media - Proven performance on commonly
available materials
Dedicated desktop technical
support team - Expedient, effective troubleshooting
Experienced selection,
sourcing and balancing of
raw materials - Sharp text, minimal color bleed, and
drying time
M
measekite
Arthur said:I didn't state that every Chinese cartridge manufacturer is using
Sensient's Formulab inks, but many, in fact, possible most, are. I
understand the "rainbow" cartridges coming out of China use their inks
and having used them myself, I can say that the color rendition and
basic qualities are quite similar to Epson OEM dye inks.
I believe PC World says otherwise. If that were truethen why are there
so many low grade inks out their screwing up printers?
In my case, the savings were very substantial, in fact, the filled
cartridges cost less than buying fluid inks from most local vendors.
And who's filled carts do you buy?
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Burt
measekite said:I believe PC World says otherwise. If that were truethen why are there so
many low grade inks out their screwing up printers?
Implication is that 1) most inks are low grade and 2) these inks all screw
up printers. No proof or sources stated. No experience behind your
statement. Only your bias and attempt to disuade new potential third party
ink users. The way you have worded this statement/question is akin to the
question, "so, when did you stop beating your wife." Only source I've seen
you present is an old PC mag article, Consumer's article, and an older
Wilhelm research project, none of which did tests on the inks mentioned by
experienced users on this and other forums. I trust that Consumers is
unbiased, but I can tell you of several purchases I've made based on their
recommendations that proved to be poor choices.
M
measekite
Burt said:Implication is that 1) most inks are low grade and 2) these inks all screw
up printers. No proof or sources stated. No experience behind your
statement. Only your bias and attempt to disuade new potential third party
ink users.
ATTN: NG READERS THESE ARE THE MEMBERS OF THE AFTERMARKET CLUB
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Burt
measekite said:ATTN: NG READERS THESE ARE THE MEMBERS OF THE AFTERMARKET CLUB
And you are the sole member of the misinformation, libel, and foul language
club. Anyone who wants to join the Aftermarket club is certainly welcome.
The good news is that, not only are there no dues or initiation fees, you
actually save a ton of money in this club.
M
measekite
Burt said:And you are the sole member of the misinformation, libel, and foul language
club. Anyone who wants to join the Aftermarket club is certainly welcome.
The good news is that, not only are there no dues or initiation fees, you
actually save a ton of money in this club.
foonzah
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Arthur Entlich
First of all, I am not convinced "so many" 3rd party inks are "screwing
up printers". As you have been told by at least a dozen people, both
OEM and 3rd party inks clog printers. It's the nature of the technology.
I have bought several "brands" of ink cartridges, but I use a lot of the
Rainbow boxed one for dye inks. They look about an generic as they
come, and I don't even think they have an address on them. They do
mention having been made in China.
Rumor is they use Formulab inks. I have found them reliable, less
likely to cause clogs than the OEM inks, and showing good color
equivalence. I can't attest to fade resistance, as I have not done long
enough samples, and they would be very unscientific.
Art
up printers". As you have been told by at least a dozen people, both
OEM and 3rd party inks clog printers. It's the nature of the technology.
I have bought several "brands" of ink cartridges, but I use a lot of the
Rainbow boxed one for dye inks. They look about an generic as they
come, and I don't even think they have an address on them. They do
mention having been made in China.
Rumor is they use Formulab inks. I have found them reliable, less
likely to cause clogs than the OEM inks, and showing good color
equivalence. I can't attest to fade resistance, as I have not done long
enough samples, and they would be very unscientific.
Art