D
D. Spencer Hines
Another sniveling little coward who is afraid to use his name and libels
American corporations.
DSH
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American corporations.
DSH
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D. Spencer Hines
Show us the evidence -- with source and verbatim quotations.
DSH
DSH
D
D. Spencer Hines
I never even mentioned Antivirus Capabilities.
I simply pointed out that Windows Defender, like Norton Internet Security,
runs SMOOTHLY and EFFICIENTLY on my box and takes up very little of my time.
Read what I wrote again....
Then take a remedial course in Basic English Reading Comprehension 101 at
your local Community College.
Report back with your grade and you will be provided with additional
instructions.
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum
I simply pointed out that Windows Defender, like Norton Internet Security,
runs SMOOTHLY and EFFICIENTLY on my box and takes up very little of my time.
Read what I wrote again....
Then take a remedial course in Basic English Reading Comprehension 101 at
your local Community College.
Report back with your grade and you will be provided with additional
instructions.
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum
S
Stan Brown
Sun, 4 Mar 2007 09:25:44 -0500 from Mickey Segal
Good lord! I didn't think it was possible.
In the 1980s Peter Norton wrote good utilities -- they were clean and
fast and did what they were supposed to do. But he sold the software
*and* his name to Symantec, which slapped the Norton brand on ...
well, you know.
Good lord! I didn't think it was possible.
In the 1980s Peter Norton wrote good utilities -- they were clean and
fast and did what they were supposed to do. But he sold the software
*and* his name to Symantec, which slapped the Norton brand on ...
well, you know.
D
D. Spencer Hines
Wrong.
The current version of NIS takes less overhead than some previous versions
and runs faster. There are no significant delays.
You are bugling from cuniculan-pygan ignorance and FUD.
NIS costs more -- and is worth it in spades. Price is not a problem with
me. I pay for Quality and Reliability.
NIS 2007 is the best version so far -- and I'll bet I've been running
Norton/Symantec products longer than you've been out of diapers.
'Nuff Said.
Adios.
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum
The current version of NIS takes less overhead than some previous versions
and runs faster. There are no significant delays.
You are bugling from cuniculan-pygan ignorance and FUD.
NIS costs more -- and is worth it in spades. Price is not a problem with
me. I pay for Quality and Reliability.
NIS 2007 is the best version so far -- and I'll bet I've been running
Norton/Symantec products longer than you've been out of diapers.
'Nuff Said.
Adios.
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum
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David H. Lipman
From: "D. Spencer Hines" <[email protected]>
| I never even mentioned Antivirus Capabilities.
|
| I simply pointed out that Windows Defender, like Norton Internet Security,
| runs SMOOTHLY and EFFICIENTLY on my box and takes up very little of my time.
|
| Read what I wrote again....
|
< BS snipped >
|
| DSH
|
Don't be a wise a$$!
The subject matter was *best anti virus* not anti spyware so reference was oof base. I
merely qualified the distinction.
Whether WD runs "...SMOOTHLY and EFFICIENTLY..." on your PC has no bearing on the subject
matter.
EoD
| I never even mentioned Antivirus Capabilities.
|
| I simply pointed out that Windows Defender, like Norton Internet Security,
| runs SMOOTHLY and EFFICIENTLY on my box and takes up very little of my time.
|
| Read what I wrote again....
|
< BS snipped >
|
| DSH
|
Don't be a wise a$$!
The subject matter was *best anti virus* not anti spyware so reference was oof base. I
merely qualified the distinction.
Whether WD runs "...SMOOTHLY and EFFICIENTLY..." on your PC has no bearing on the subject
matter.
EoD
D
David H. Lipman
From: "D. Spencer Hines" <[email protected]>
| Show us the evidence -- with source and verbatim quotations.
|
| DSH
There are numerous vulnerabilities in NAV/SAV from handling RTF to various Archive file
types.
Here's just the latest vulnerability...
http://www.ciac.org/ciac/bulletins/r-170.shtml
Then there's...
http://www.ciac.org/ciac/bulletins/q-003.shtml
But here's one that was actually exploited...
http://www.ciac.org/ciac/bulletins/q-218.shtml
| Show us the evidence -- with source and verbatim quotations.
|
| DSH
There are numerous vulnerabilities in NAV/SAV from handling RTF to various Archive file
types.
Here's just the latest vulnerability...
http://www.ciac.org/ciac/bulletins/r-170.shtml
Then there's...
http://www.ciac.org/ciac/bulletins/q-003.shtml
But here's one that was actually exploited...
http://www.ciac.org/ciac/bulletins/q-218.shtml
D
David H. Lipman
From: "Stan Brown" <[email protected]>
| Sun, 4 Mar 2007 09:25:44 -0500 from Mickey Segal
|
| Good lord! I didn't think it was possible.
|
| In the 1980s Peter Norton wrote good utilities -- they were clean and
| fast and did what they were supposed to do. But he sold the software
| *and* his name to Symantec, which slapped the Norton brand on ...
| well, you know.
|
Symantec has bloated it.
I still remember when NAV bought CPAV and then integrated the engine into NAV and the
quality of their product increased dramatically.
Symantec/Norton Ghost is the only Symantec product I swear by and not swear at
| Sun, 4 Mar 2007 09:25:44 -0500 from Mickey Segal
|
| Good lord! I didn't think it was possible.
|
| In the 1980s Peter Norton wrote good utilities -- they were clean and
| fast and did what they were supposed to do. But he sold the software
| *and* his name to Symantec, which slapped the Norton brand on ...
| well, you know.
|
Symantec has bloated it.
I still remember when NAV bought CPAV and then integrated the engine into NAV and the
quality of their product increased dramatically.
Symantec/Norton Ghost is the only Symantec product I swear by and not swear at
M
Mhzjunkie
D. Spencer Hines spewed out this bit, and i'll scatter a few bits myself:
**** you, you ignorant top posting ****. Wasn't nobody talking down to you,
but i'll sure as **** take a fine stab at it, if thats what it takes to
please you.
Was only trying to give you some helpful information. I hope your computer
becomes so infected that the harddrive platters turn to liquid and run right
out the bottom of your case. The more you run your cock rack, the more
you seem to be associated with Symantec.
Anyone that installs any Symantec products on their computer deserves what
they get. And if you are associated with Symantec, you lot deserve what you
get for creating such garbage.The quicker Symantec goes bankrupt, the
better.
--
Mhzjunkie
1 PRINT "Windows Vista ERROR"
GOTO 1
END
**** you, you ignorant top posting ****. Wasn't nobody talking down to you,
but i'll sure as **** take a fine stab at it, if thats what it takes to
please you.
Was only trying to give you some helpful information. I hope your computer
becomes so infected that the harddrive platters turn to liquid and run right
out the bottom of your case. The more you run your cock rack, the more
you seem to be associated with Symantec.
Anyone that installs any Symantec products on their computer deserves what
they get. And if you are associated with Symantec, you lot deserve what you
get for creating such garbage.The quicker Symantec goes bankrupt, the
better.
--
Mhzjunkie
1 PRINT "Windows Vista ERROR"
GOTO 1
END
R
Rhonda Lea Kirk
Mhzjunkie said:
That's the least of his issues.
He's oblivious to correction.
I first ran into him a few years ago in alt.fan.heinlein. He's an
obnoxious know-it-all, to put it mildly.
<snipped>
M
Mhzjunkie
Rhonda Lea Kirk spewed out this bit, and i'll scatter a few bits myself:
I had him figured for suffering from the Bucky Breeder syndrome.
--
Mhzjunkie
1 PRINT "Windows Vista ERROR"
GOTO 1
END
I had him figured for suffering from the Bucky Breeder syndrome.
--
Mhzjunkie
1 PRINT "Windows Vista ERROR"
GOTO 1
END
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Barry
I would have agreed with you regarding NAV & Ghost...until I installed NAV
2007 as an upgrade on my laptop running XP. It so corrupted my system that
anything short of a total reformat of the hard drive couldn't fix things. I
spent more than twenty hours with Symantec tech support people (no
exaggeration)...and finally gave up. I now have a new laptop with
Vista...and am dealing with an entirely different set of problems. However,
I had problems with NAV 2007 in Vista as well and ended up with Defender and
Life One Care as they would run smoothly. NAV 2007 in XP was a mess for
me...and the first indication of a problem after loading the program was
that I couldn't get the main program window to fully open...and I couldn't
see any menu list. NAV 2007 came with my new notebook and the Vista
OS...and some initial problems were traced to the NAV. Defender at least
runs well.
Yes...NAV gets good reviews. BUT...if an anti-virus program can't be
successfully installed, there's a problem. Symantec also has a problem with
their tech support service. They are efficient in handling 90% of the
problems, I'm sure...and their tech support people are friendly enough.
But, if you have a major problem and have already tried the usual fixes,
there's nothing you can do to avoid dealing with the first wave of tech
support people with only average skills. By the time I finally got a call
from a knowledgeable Symantec rep in Oregon (who did know a lot about
computer software), I had already thrown in the towel.
Before anyone assumes that this is just a rag on Symantec, it's not. All of
the major software corporations handle issues very similarly. It's the
bottom line that matters. I really believe that the cost of being able to
quickly escalate the level of tech support when needed is so great that they
avoid it. The cost of having really knowledgeable techs waiting in the
wings for the small percentage of cases that are real problems is no doubt
too high. Perhaps, until there is a major uprising of some kind, I'll just
have to do a lot of my own "work arounds". I started a list of the problems
I was finding with Vista and the list is so long that I think I'll just wait
until all the patches/fixes etc are available and download them all. Right
now, I'm feeling very much like a "computer software crash dummy".
Barry
2007 as an upgrade on my laptop running XP. It so corrupted my system that
anything short of a total reformat of the hard drive couldn't fix things. I
spent more than twenty hours with Symantec tech support people (no
exaggeration)...and finally gave up. I now have a new laptop with
Vista...and am dealing with an entirely different set of problems. However,
I had problems with NAV 2007 in Vista as well and ended up with Defender and
Life One Care as they would run smoothly. NAV 2007 in XP was a mess for
me...and the first indication of a problem after loading the program was
that I couldn't get the main program window to fully open...and I couldn't
see any menu list. NAV 2007 came with my new notebook and the Vista
OS...and some initial problems were traced to the NAV. Defender at least
runs well.
Yes...NAV gets good reviews. BUT...if an anti-virus program can't be
successfully installed, there's a problem. Symantec also has a problem with
their tech support service. They are efficient in handling 90% of the
problems, I'm sure...and their tech support people are friendly enough.
But, if you have a major problem and have already tried the usual fixes,
there's nothing you can do to avoid dealing with the first wave of tech
support people with only average skills. By the time I finally got a call
from a knowledgeable Symantec rep in Oregon (who did know a lot about
computer software), I had already thrown in the towel.
Before anyone assumes that this is just a rag on Symantec, it's not. All of
the major software corporations handle issues very similarly. It's the
bottom line that matters. I really believe that the cost of being able to
quickly escalate the level of tech support when needed is so great that they
avoid it. The cost of having really knowledgeable techs waiting in the
wings for the small percentage of cases that are real problems is no doubt
too high. Perhaps, until there is a major uprising of some kind, I'll just
have to do a lot of my own "work arounds". I started a list of the problems
I was finding with Vista and the list is so long that I think I'll just wait
until all the patches/fixes etc are available and download them all. Right
now, I'm feeling very much like a "computer software crash dummy".
Barry
D
D. Spencer Hines
I'm running both NIS 2007 and Defender on my machine and both run quite
smoothly and very fast.
DSH
smoothly and very fast.
DSH
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Guest
I have a new Dell with Vista and my free McAfee Security Center just expired.
I am going to change AV systems. Do I uninstall McAfee Securit Center
before installing a new AV? Anyting I should be aware of before doing so?
I am going to change AV systems. Do I uninstall McAfee Securit Center
before installing a new AV? Anyting I should be aware of before doing so?
C
Carey Frisch [MVP]
Yes, you need to uninstall McAfee Security Center
before installing any new antivirus program.
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Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows - Shell/User
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:
I have a new Dell with Vista and my free McAfee Security Center just expired.
I am going to change AV systems. Do I uninstall McAfee Securit Center
before installing a new AV? Anyting I should be aware of before doing so?
before installing any new antivirus program.
--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows - Shell/User
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:
I have a new Dell with Vista and my free McAfee Security Center just expired.
I am going to change AV systems. Do I uninstall McAfee Securit Center
before installing a new AV? Anyting I should be aware of before doing so?
R
Reece
Keep in mind I am not sure if this has happened to anyone else but I use to
use AVAST. It was great for windows XP but useing it for windows vista I
found that it causes the system to hang. I noticed it more in FPS games
where my screen would get choppy and my ventrilo would get choppy. I trouble
shooted everything besides the anti-virus. I finally broke down uninstalled
the AVAST and installed Macfee 8.5 now my system boots faster, responces are
quicker and my FPS games have no screen lag what so ever.
Over all I give Mcafee a 2 thumbs up for there anti-virus, works great
doesnt suck up hardly any resources
use AVAST. It was great for windows XP but useing it for windows vista I
found that it causes the system to hang. I noticed it more in FPS games
where my screen would get choppy and my ventrilo would get choppy. I trouble
shooted everything besides the anti-virus. I finally broke down uninstalled
the AVAST and installed Macfee 8.5 now my system boots faster, responces are
quicker and my FPS games have no screen lag what so ever.
Over all I give Mcafee a 2 thumbs up for there anti-virus, works great
doesnt suck up hardly any resources
J
Juan I. Cahis
Judy, the best Antivirus for a new Operating System is the one that
comes with your PC, it should have been seriously tested by the PC's
manufacturer in terms of compatibility and performance.
Don't uninstall it, you will never know how many tricks Dell did to
install it correctly in your new PC. You should delay any Antivirus
change until Vista gets its SP1.
Juan I. Cahis
Santiago de Chile (South America)
Note: Please forgive me for my bad English, I am trying to improve it!
comes with your PC, it should have been seriously tested by the PC's
manufacturer in terms of compatibility and performance.
Don't uninstall it, you will never know how many tricks Dell did to
install it correctly in your new PC. You should delay any Antivirus
change until Vista gets its SP1.
ThanksJudy said:
Juan I. Cahis
Santiago de Chile (South America)
Note: Please forgive me for my bad English, I am trying to improve it!
J
Jerry
I have uninstalled McAffee from my new Dell two weeks ago and installed
Trend Micro. No problems encountered and Trend Micro (and all else)works
fine. There is a lot of McAfee trash remaining in the registry though, but
doesn't seem to make any trouble.
The first thing I usually do when I get a new machine is to wipe the hard
disk clean and install the OS and all else from scratch. This time I just
gave the original installation a try, but I did uninstall all the crapware.
It's now been one month and counting - all works fine.
Incidentally, there is a cute little application - called very appropriately
PC Decrapifier - you may wish to use: get it at
http://www.pcdecrapifier.com/
Judy, the best Antivirus for a new Operating System is the one that
comes with your PC, it should have been seriously tested by the PC's
manufacturer in terms of compatibility and performance.
Don't uninstall it, you will never know how many tricks Dell did to
install it correctly in your new PC. You should delay any Antivirus
change until Vista gets its SP1.
Juan I. Cahis
Santiago de Chile (South America)
Note: Please forgive me for my bad English, I am trying to improve it!
Trend Micro. No problems encountered and Trend Micro (and all else)works
fine. There is a lot of McAfee trash remaining in the registry though, but
doesn't seem to make any trouble.
The first thing I usually do when I get a new machine is to wipe the hard
disk clean and install the OS and all else from scratch. This time I just
gave the original installation a try, but I did uninstall all the crapware.
It's now been one month and counting - all works fine.
Incidentally, there is a cute little application - called very appropriately
PC Decrapifier - you may wish to use: get it at
http://www.pcdecrapifier.com/
Judy, the best Antivirus for a new Operating System is the one that
comes with your PC, it should have been seriously tested by the PC's
manufacturer in terms of compatibility and performance.
Don't uninstall it, you will never know how many tricks Dell did to
install it correctly in your new PC. You should delay any Antivirus
change until Vista gets its SP1.
ThanksJudy said:
Juan I. Cahis
Santiago de Chile (South America)
Note: Please forgive me for my bad English, I am trying to improve it!
D
Daze N. Knights
Did you use pcdecrapifier yourself, and if so, could you let us know
what your experience of it was?
Daze
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what your experience of it was?
Daze
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Frenchy
Judy said:
CA Antivirus works fine under Vista (and I think MS owns them now anyway -
not that that is a caveat for no problems <smile>). They also have a 12
month free use of the full AV.
Frenchy