Bad checksum on download of updates to spybot

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Fair enough, but besides a little time checking for updates - which, of
course someone will always notify the groups - it isn't much effort, so why
not do it anyway?
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I decided years ago to not go up the road of endless IE security
enhancements. It amazes me the extraordinary lengths some IE addicts
go to :) It's simply a unnecessary bother and not worth the effort,
IMO. Just say "no" to IE.
In that case I open FF and copy the link into it.


Is this going on Microsoft's track record; the assumption of many more
as-yet-undiscovered vulnerabilities?
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No, it's based on known vulnerabilities (and maybe some exploits as
well) that MS has not patched in a very long time.
While I don't think you do this, it
seems to me that the impression many give who cite this assumption is of
alternative browsers not also being vulnerable. Luckily people also notify
the groups of the latest FF patch (new build). But only FF of the
alternatives, of course.
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I'm quite aware of the long string of vulnerabilities that have been
found through the years with the Gecko and Opera browsers. I've
never heard of any actual exploits of _serious_ vulnerabilities ...
though that may start to happen in the future as FF and Opera continue
to make big gains in percentage of users. It's important to use the
latest versions, though Opera went downhill from version 6X to 7X
before recovering in 8X with no known vulnerabilities.
My recommendation to users is usually to use Firefox as default, but I know
that many users will simply not get on with it and revert to IE, so I try to
get them to do what I have done. Which gets back to my personally hardening
'as much as I can get away with' other people's machines - add to the above
list installing Kerio 2.1.5 and setting the rules up and/or closing
unnecessary ports - that is what I do.
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?? Hardening should be done regardless. I don't think you meant that
to come across as a either/or proposition :)

Art

http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg
 
My recommendation to users is usually to use Firefox as default, but
?? Hardening should be done regardless. I don't think you meant that
to come across as a either/or proposition :)
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When you're right, you're right! Actually there are several statements I've
made recently that didn't come out as intended :-(

Where I do mean either/or is closing vulnerabilities that impact on the
eye-candy, which users will notice and probably complain about. Like I've
said before, I've gotten to where I don't persist unless they're family.
Trouble with family is they tend to be approx. as pig-headed as oneself.


SHane
 
When you're right, you're right! Actually there are several statements I've
made recently that didn't come out as intended :-(

Where I do mean either/or is closing vulnerabilities that impact on the
eye-candy, which users will notice and probably complain about. Like I've
said before, I've gotten to where I don't persist unless they're family.
Trouble with family is they tend to be approx. as pig-headed as oneself.
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Fortunately, my wife Peg is a technophobe who listens to what I tell
her to do and not to do (on the computer only, of course :))
She's had the Win ME PC all to herself for several months. I check it
out every couple of weeks or so and never find malware or spyware.
She gets tons of email from genealogy lists, and roams the web in
pursuit of her hobbies and interests. So it seems average/typical
users are fine as long as someone:

1. Hardens their PC and provides help with internet app selection
and their settings.
2. Provides some "safe hex" guidelines, rules to follow, and a little
bit of education.

I think most should be able to even handle routine checks and
maintenence with some help and instruction. Peg does do a
daily minor regimen including data backup and a couple of things
with Moz email to keep it running smoothly. (Emptying Trash
and compacting folders daily seems to keep it from losing
folders and otherwise misbehaving).

In fact, without me fiddling around with her PC, it hums along
fine. By far, the biggest danger to our machines is not
malware/spyware, but my twiddling. Fortunately, on the eighth
day, God created ERUNT :)

Art

http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg
 
Art said:
Fortunately, my wife Peg is a technophobe who listens to what I tell
her to do and not to do (on the computer only, of course :))
She's had the Win ME PC all to herself for several months. I check it
out every couple of weeks or so and never find malware or spyware.
She gets tons of email from genealogy lists, and roams the web in
pursuit of her hobbies and interests. So it seems average/typical
users are fine as long as someone:

1. Hardens their PC and provides help with internet app selection
and their settings.
2. Provides some "safe hex" guidelines, rules to follow, and a little
bit of education.

I think most should be able to even handle routine checks and
maintenence with some help and instruction. Peg does do a
daily minor regimen including data backup and a couple of things
with Moz email to keep it running smoothly. (Emptying Trash
and compacting folders daily seems to keep it from losing
folders and otherwise misbehaving).

In fact, without me fiddling around with her PC, it hums along
fine. By far, the biggest danger to our machines is not
malware/spyware, but my twiddling. Fortunately, on the eighth
day, God created ERUNT :)
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:-)


Shane
 
Art said:
Fortunately, my wife Peg is a technophobe who listens to what I tell
her to do and not to do ...
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Art,

You gotta link where I can get one of those? ;-)

Ron
 
Ron Lopshire said:
Art,

You gotta link where I can get one of those? ;-)
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ROFL!! But if the truth were to be told, he just THINKS Peg listens to him.
She is secretly a bit of a *geek* and just humours him, lol.

Heather
 
Art said:
You skipped the fine print :) 49 battle weary years today! Maybe
we'll declare a truce on our 50th.
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Happy Anniversary!! Not many of us around, lol. Where is the big
celebration going to be next year?? You could fly a few of us in for
it....8-))

Best......Heather
 
Heather said:
Happy Anniversary!! Not many of us around, lol. Where is the big
celebration going to be next year?? You could fly a few of us in for
it....8-))
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Put me down for that, Art! btw I'd prefer to come thru LAX if it's all the
same.


Shane
 
Heather said:
ROFL!! But if the truth were to be told, he just THINKS Peg listens
to him. She is secretly a bit of a *geek* and just humours him, lol.
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I didn't like to suggest that, Figgs - but I can rely on you to raise
possibilities I'm too polite to utter!


btw, who's this? 'Congratulations Art, but really, 100 quoted lines just to
repeat what three previous posters have said? Is this an ethical way to post
on the Usenet? Please consider cutting unnecessary lines in future. Thank
you for your cooperation.'


Stupid Flanders
 
Happy Anniversary!! Not many of us around, lol. Where is the big
celebration going to be next year?? You could fly a few of us in for
it....8-))
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Hell, I've paid for two weddings. You expect Scrooge to foot the bill
for some other big whoop? You've got to be kidding!!

Thanks to all for the congrats. At least they they don't cost me
anything :)

Art

http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg
 
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