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Gordon
PopS said:
because as I said in a previous post - if the application puts entries in
the registry on installation, you can't install it on another drive.
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because as I said in a previous post - if the application puts entries in
the registry on installation, you can't install it on another drive.
G
GTS
In the OP's case where the system drive fails, it would be necessary to
reinstall Windows (minimally as possible) in order to then be able to run
ntbackup to perform the full restore. Disk Imaging software is faster and
simpler as it can generally restore an image by booting from the software's
CD.
no way to stick backup on another drive to restore the C: partition ?
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It's no problem to store the backup file itself on another drive (and is
advisable). However, if you're asking whether you could run the ntbackup
program to do the restore without a working installation of Windows, no, you
can't. This is a definite advantage of Ghost type software which you can
use to restore a backup image outside Windows.
J
John John
The ONLY way that (at least the older) Backup Executive can do a FULL
restore is to do a BARE METAL restore. You CANNOT take a failed NT
system and install a minimal NT then tell Backup Executive to then
restore the old installation atop the new one. IT CAN'T BE DONE! You
CAN'T tell Backup Executive to fully restore a failed NT system from a
parallel installation, IT CAN'T BE DONE! The only way that Backup
Executive can do a full restoration is via the BARE METAL process and
YOU NEED THE FULL SET OF EMERGENCY STARTUP DISKETTES that you create
with the program in order to do the restore. I know, been there, done
that! This has to do with SID's and the Security Database, WITHOUT THE
EMERGENCY DISKETTES you are up the creek! I called Veritas for
assistance with this very problem 3 or 4 years ago and I was told that I
had to reinstall Windows and start anew. I could restore data files but
I COULD NOT restore profiles, SID's, Windows Registry and so on. As for
NTbackup, I don't know because I have never used it, but being that it
is a baby brother to Backup Executive I have my doubts as to what it can
do in a catastrophic situation.
John
restore is to do a BARE METAL restore. You CANNOT take a failed NT
system and install a minimal NT then tell Backup Executive to then
restore the old installation atop the new one. IT CAN'T BE DONE! You
CAN'T tell Backup Executive to fully restore a failed NT system from a
parallel installation, IT CAN'T BE DONE! The only way that Backup
Executive can do a full restoration is via the BARE METAL process and
YOU NEED THE FULL SET OF EMERGENCY STARTUP DISKETTES that you create
with the program in order to do the restore. I know, been there, done
that! This has to do with SID's and the Security Database, WITHOUT THE
EMERGENCY DISKETTES you are up the creek! I called Veritas for
assistance with this very problem 3 or 4 years ago and I was told that I
had to reinstall Windows and start anew. I could restore data files but
I COULD NOT restore profiles, SID's, Windows Registry and so on. As for
NTbackup, I don't know because I have never used it, but being that it
is a baby brother to Backup Executive I have my doubts as to what it can
do in a catastrophic situation.
John
G
GTS
Gordon said:PopS wrote:
Not at all. I REPEAT - IT IS A CRIPPLED VERSION OF BACKUP EXECUTIVE.
What do you not understand about the word "crippled"?
IT IS not designed FOR FULL SYSTEM BACKUPS.
It may well DO "full system backups" Have you actually tried RESTORING a
"full system backup" using it?
I'll guess probably not.
I have. Worked fine.
G
Gordon
GTS said:I have. Worked fine.
you're either lucky, or lying.
H
Husky
Another thought on this, but it still fits the catch-22 title.
To restore a backup I've made and stuck on my data disk, I'm beginning tothink even making a manageable 30 gig system partition isn't such a goodidea either.
I have to be able to boot to run the backup. And it's normally the systempartition that fails.
Only boot I've been able to do is the one from the OS CD.
For now I'm working with the backup program that comes with XP pro. Andit has several different options. But basically, I'm going with a schedule for a weekly backup.
There's 3 options and the one that makes no sense, but it's one I've crossed paths with many times in restoring the OS is the ASR button. [A]utomaticystem [R]ecovery.
An image isn't a complete necessity to me. Unless there's stuff writing secret codes that will make files crap out if they aren't restored exactly.
Will this ASR option work for the C: partition ?
Or should I use one of the other backup options ?
To restore a backup I've made and stuck on my data disk, I'm beginning tothink even making a manageable 30 gig system partition isn't such a goodidea either.
I have to be able to boot to run the backup. And it's normally the systempartition that fails.
Only boot I've been able to do is the one from the OS CD.
For now I'm working with the backup program that comes with XP pro. Andit has several different options. But basically, I'm going with a schedule for a weekly backup.
There's 3 options and the one that makes no sense, but it's one I've crossed paths with many times in restoring the OS is the ASR button. [A]utomatic
An image isn't a complete necessity to me. Unless there's stuff writing secret codes that will make files crap out if they aren't restored exactly.
Will this ASR option work for the C: partition ?
Or should I use one of the other backup options ?
P
PopS
Gordon said:PopS wrote:
Not at all. I REPEAT - IT IS A CRIPPLED VERSION OF BACKUP
EXECUTIVE.
What do you not understand about the word "crippled"?
IT IS not designed FOR FULL SYSTEM BACKUPS.
It may well DO "full system backups" Have you actually tried
RESTORING a
"full system backup" using it?
I'll guess probably not.
Reiterating fairy tales will not make them come true. And yes, I
have used it, quite successfully, thank you, on two separate
occasions. The only possible glitch would be not useing the
wizard and not getting the System State into the archive.
Go back to counting your beans in this case. You are wrong. Oh,
and I fully understand the word crippled; as in, your mind set
and refusal to read technical details on your own is "crippled".
I'll not debate this any further with you because of your
closed mind; so reiterate away if you feel the need; I don't.
'Nuff said.
Pop
P
PopS
John John said:The ONLY way that (at least the older) Backup Executive can do
a FULL restore is to do a BARE METAL restore. You CANNOT take
a failed NT system and install a minimal NT then tell Backup
Executive to then restore the old installation atop the new
one. IT CAN'T BE DONE! You CAN'T tell Backup Executive to
fully restore a failed NT system from a parallel installation,
IT CAN'T BE DONE! The only way that Backup Executive can do a
full restoration is via the BARE METAL process and YOU NEED THE
FULL SET OF EMERGENCY STARTUP DISKETTES that you create with
the program in order to do the restore. I know, been there,
done that! This has to do with SID's and the Security
Database, WITHOUT THE EMERGENCY DISKETTES you are up the creek!
I called Veritas for assistance with this very problem 3 or 4
years ago and I was told that I had to reinstall Windows and
start anew. I could restore data files but I COULD NOT restore
profiles, SID's, Windows Registry and so on. As for NTbackup,
I don't know because I have never used it, but being that it is
a baby brother to Backup Executive I have my doubts as to what
it can do in a catastrophic situation.
John
Actually, w/r to encrypted files/folders and some rather esoteric
areas, you are correct; you better have the disc sets.
Fortunately, very few home users will be using those, and even
few business users unless they have a full IT department, in
which the codes are regenerated each time prior to the restore
operation.
However, as long as the System State and shadow copying is
used, nearly everything, including the Registry and all keys,
will be replaced. Softwares et al will be restored and will be
quite functional.
Pop
G
Gordon
PopS said:Reiterating fairy tales will not make them come true. And yes, I
have used it, quite successfully, thank you, on two separate
occasions. The only possible glitch would be not useing the
wizard and not getting the System State into the archive.
Go back to counting your beans in this case. You are wrong. Oh,
and I fully understand the word crippled; as in, your mind set
and refusal to read technical details on your own is "crippled".
I'll not debate this any further with you because of your
closed mind; so reiterate away if you feel the need; I don't.
'Nuff said.
Well all I can say is, YOU HAVE BEEN VERY LUCKY. I repeat - it is a CRIPPLED
version of a commercially-available software. I, as a SYSTEMS ACCOUNTANT
(and I suggest you look up the definition of that - part of my job is to do
with data integrity) would NEVER recommend anyone to use NTBackup for
anything other than non mission-critical data
P
PopS
Gordon said:Well all I can say is, YOU HAVE BEEN VERY LUCKY. I repeat - it
is a CRIPPLED
version of a commercially-available software. I, as a SYSTEMS
ACCOUNTANT
(and I suggest you look up the definition of that - part of my
job is to do
with data integrity) would NEVER recommend anyone to use
NTBackup for
anything other than non mission-critical data
LOL! I'll bet you're hilarious when you get drunk! Sounds like
you aren't very lucky, eh? Time heals all wounds, my boy.
Also, why do you waste bandwidth with HTML vs plain text
messages? Or it it that you just don't care? No worry; it's
really a rhetorical question; I know what your answer would be.
Pop
Pop
G
Gordon
PopS wrote:
oh dear - can't think of a suitable reply so you have to resort to stupidity
Umm I'm posting with Knode - what's with the HTML? It does PLAIN TEXT by
default. Unlike Outlouse Express that you are using.
Plonk.
LOL! I'll bet you're hilarious when you get drunk! Sounds like
you aren't very lucky, eh? Time heals all wounds, my boy.
oh dear - can't think of a suitable reply so you have to resort to stupidity
Also, why do you waste bandwidth with HTML vs plain text
messages? Or it it that you just don't care? No worry; it's
really a rhetorical question; I know what your answer would be.
Umm I'm posting with Knode - what's with the HTML? It does PLAIN TEXT by
default. Unlike Outlouse Express that you are using.
Plonk.