C
Conor
Well stop ****ing expecting it to be backwards compatible with a Word95
document then.
WRONG.
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C
Conor
Backwards compatibility...There is a catch...
evolution should be due to increased capability functionality and features.
Vista has VERY little to offer more than XP...
On the other hand it has huge bloat for no REAL reason....
C
CptDondo
Alpha said:I am tired of these comments on Linux. Linux is very species specific. I
have seen programs written with different compiles for 12 different
distributions of this monster.
Well, yeah, that's pretty much the definition of a distribution.....
Actually, there's something like 300 or 400 distributions, each with its
own goals and ideals.
I just bought the one disc Knoppix....guess what? It will crash on being
invoked under
Windows XP ... no hope at all.
???? How do you invoke knoppix under Windows XP? It's a bootable CD,
not a WinXP app....
Linux is a system that is a hydra. It is so decentralized as to be a
laughing stock of an OS....no consistency at all.
To each his own, I guess.
A
Alpha
CptDondo said:Well, yeah, that's pretty much the definition of a distribution.....
Actually, there's something like 300 or 400 distributions, each with its
own goals and ideals.
???? How do you invoke knoppix under Windows XP? It's a bootable CD, not
a WinXP app....
I worded this incorrectly .. on a system designed for vista and XP...it
creates the ramdisk then gives ERROR unable to merge...blah blah
System Halted
Tried x y z file systems
UNABLE TO WRITE
CRASH
J
John Locke
You are correct in one respect...technology needs to move forward. ButThe thing about making developers write on old equipment would be a very bad
idea. Software evolves because hardware evolves, and prices go down.
Software needs to be written to leverage current and future technologies and
hardware costs. Every 10 years or so we need a major shift away from the
old. In the 80's and 90's it was the shift from DOS to Windows. Now it's the
shift to Vista. And it will be just as painful as the shift from DOS to
Windows.
Plus, there's no rule that says you must upgrade. You could use current
hardware, XP, or your current version of Linux or Mac OS for the rest of
your life. No rule against that.
the direction that Microsoft is taking us is the wrong direction.
I don't need a the overhead of a Content Delivery Platform with AACS
controlling data from the kernel to my eyeball. AACS is probably one
of the reasons that the video card manufacturers have been late with
drivers.
If your going to produce an operating system then that's what it
should be. I don't know what Vista is, but its not my concept of what
a real OS should be. XP was closer. They need to go back to the
drawing board and start over from scratch or reintroduce XP as an
alternative to those people who don't want to install a Vista.
N
nick
or lack of future insight...
xp was backward compatible and yet it was faster ....
they should have improved upon that..
xp was backward compatible and yet it was faster ....
they should have improved upon that..
N
nick
guys this is not about vista and linux...
but about vista and XP...
XP is very good... Vista is very bad....
We wanted Vista to be an improvement upon XP...
not a small incremental improvement either.. we wanted
a leap....
we got a leap but in the wrong direction!
but about vista and XP...
XP is very good... Vista is very bad....
We wanted Vista to be an improvement upon XP...
not a small incremental improvement either.. we wanted
a leap....
we got a leap but in the wrong direction!
A
Alpha
CptDondo said:Well, yeah, that's pretty much the definition of a distribution.....
Actually, there's something like 300 or 400 distributions, each with its
own goals and ideals.
???? How do you invoke knoppix under Windows XP? It's a bootable CD, not
a WinXP app....
To each his own, I guess.
Obtuse answer. Why is Linux better? Because I get to deal with all the
varieties of the OS and silly installers that only work on certain
platforms, or get to try to devine why some distributions have some drivers
and others do not?
Is this what you want for the computing world?
Linux is designed for people who want to boost their egos that they, and
they alone, understand its ludicrous variability.
A
Alpha
nick said:guys this is not about vista and linux...
but about vista and XP...
Who elected you pope?
J
Jeff
LaRoux,
Well said, to the point, excellent observation.
Jeff
Well said, to the point, excellent observation.
Jeff
G
Guest
alright, let's see my problem is that vista it's greate, nice graphics, good
performance, but my only problem it's the compatibility isues, nothig of my
older hardware seams to work, and if you ask me, it's supose to have supoort
for the old hardware isn't supose to have all the new fetures plus the old
ones, well, after one monty trying to get my logitech camera working on vista
finally ligitech upload a support driver for my cam, but still my external
harddrive is working 80%, and not to mantion that I can't burn on vista, any
of my sony burners work, they seams to have compatibility isues, well I love
the new os, jus I hope that soon all this bugs and compatibility isues goes
away...
performance, but my only problem it's the compatibility isues, nothig of my
older hardware seams to work, and if you ask me, it's supose to have supoort
for the old hardware isn't supose to have all the new fetures plus the old
ones, well, after one monty trying to get my logitech camera working on vista
finally ligitech upload a support driver for my cam, but still my external
harddrive is working 80%, and not to mantion that I can't burn on vista, any
of my sony burners work, they seams to have compatibility isues, well I love
the new os, jus I hope that soon all this bugs and compatibility isues goes
away...
J
john
Conor said:Backwards compatibility...
Backwards compatible with WHAT?
According to MS's own "Certified for Windows Vista" List, there's only about
100 applications "certified" to run under Vista
Of those, 25 are MS's own products....
Once again if you buy a new MS OS, you're immediately expected to replace
all your current investment in hardware and software.
And once again, for no GOOD reason.
Same as it ever was.
E
emanon
Cha-Ching! Hear that cash register ring!john said:Backwards compatible with WHAT?
According to MS's own "Certified for Windows Vista" List, there's only
about 100 applications "certified" to run under Vista
Of those, 25 are MS's own products....
Once again if you buy a new MS OS, you're immediately expected to replace
all your current investment in hardware and software.
And once again, for no GOOD reason.
Same as it ever was.
G
Guest
Having just read all replies to this posting, if all you professional
programmers have a problem with Vista, imagine how it is for a rank amateur
like myself to understand or appreciate Bill Gates' latest operating system
Vista, which of course was installed on my new puter when I bought it. I
used XP for years and it was great. Wish I could go back to it, but can't.
programmers have a problem with Vista, imagine how it is for a rank amateur
like myself to understand or appreciate Bill Gates' latest operating system
Vista, which of course was installed on my new puter when I bought it. I
used XP for years and it was great. Wish I could go back to it, but can't.
J
Jack Waters
Go buy a copy of XP and install it. It is supposed to be supported for the
next six years. I won't change until they shut off XP, it works well with
all my programs.
next six years. I won't change until they shut off XP, it works well with
all my programs.
D
D. Spencer Hines
I have a hunch Bill Gates had much less to do with developing Vista than
many may think.
That may also be why there are so many problems with it.
Vista seems to have been developed by a cadre of Munchkins.
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
many may think.
That may also be why there are so many problems with it.
Vista seems to have been developed by a cadre of Munchkins.
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
G
Guest
Gack. I read through all of these posts as well. To be honest, I got Vista
for one reason -- to play Halo 2 PC. However, as much as I love to support
Halo, Bungie, and other games I like, I'm gonna have to take a pass on that.
Sure, I may have one thing working right, but what about everything else?
I've lost the ability to use a 52x CD-R burner, most of my programs, or even
install/uninstall without most likely killing off windows/explorer and doing
another system restore.
Don't get me wrong though, I'm not just a gamer. I also do some of my own
coding on here, among other things. I'm going back to XP when I get back in
town, and I think I'll only miss one thing -- the spam filter on Windows Mail
(but hey, that's what Spam Bays is for!). I was also one of the many who were
excited and anxious to install this OS, only to be severly let down. Even
those "Vista-certified" apps, such as Virtual PC 2007, a number of virtual
drive programs (Alcohol 120%, Daemon Tools, etc.), or some media streaming
servers (even with MS's Media Services disabled) crash, and cause the OS
itself to break.
If you ask me, it's not only an issue of backwards compatibility, but
current and future compatibility as well. Now excuse me while I go back to
XP, and repair the hole in this virtual wall I've been banging my head
against for the past week.
for one reason -- to play Halo 2 PC. However, as much as I love to support
Halo, Bungie, and other games I like, I'm gonna have to take a pass on that.
Sure, I may have one thing working right, but what about everything else?
I've lost the ability to use a 52x CD-R burner, most of my programs, or even
install/uninstall without most likely killing off windows/explorer and doing
another system restore.
Don't get me wrong though, I'm not just a gamer. I also do some of my own
coding on here, among other things. I'm going back to XP when I get back in
town, and I think I'll only miss one thing -- the spam filter on Windows Mail
(but hey, that's what Spam Bays is for!). I was also one of the many who were
excited and anxious to install this OS, only to be severly let down. Even
those "Vista-certified" apps, such as Virtual PC 2007, a number of virtual
drive programs (Alcohol 120%, Daemon Tools, etc.), or some media streaming
servers (even with MS's Media Services disabled) crash, and cause the OS
itself to break.
If you ask me, it's not only an issue of backwards compatibility, but
current and future compatibility as well. Now excuse me while I go back to
XP, and repair the hole in this virtual wall I've been banging my head
against for the past week.
M
Mr. Freeze
Hey, I must agree with you on that! I've found several different situations
and programs that wouldn't work with Vista but now do, it takes time for
companies to update to a new operating system and it takes time for the new
operating system to update for the new programs. The thing I must ask the
person who posted the message saying that they were going back to XP is this
"If your operating system was good enough to begin with then why did you try
to use a new one and then complain becuse you have to do a little
updating?".
and programs that wouldn't work with Vista but now do, it takes time for
companies to update to a new operating system and it takes time for the new
operating system to update for the new programs. The thing I must ask the
person who posted the message saying that they were going back to XP is this
"If your operating system was good enough to begin with then why did you try
to use a new one and then complain becuse you have to do a little
updating?".
J
John Blessing
Mr. Freeze said:Hey, I must agree with you on that! I've found several different
situations and programs that wouldn't work with Vista but now do, it takes
time for companies to update to a new operating system and it takes time
for the new operating system to update for the new programs. The thing I
must ask the person who posted the message saying that they were going
back to XP is this "If your operating system was good enough to begin with
then why did you try to use a new one and then complain becuse you have to
do a little updating?".
I'm the OP and there are many valid reasons why one might investigate an
operating system. Remember, not everyone uses their computer just for fun.
Many of us make a living with them and need to know what problems they might
bring - called being prepared. The reason I updated (one of our machines)
was so that I could check our applications ran fine under Vista. Once that
job was done and we had made any necessary updates to code and
documentation, I was more than happy to get back to XP. Based on our
experience of other third-party applications and hardware, the general
performance and re-training needed, I would certainly not advise any of our
customers to upgrade to Vista until SP1 has been released and thorough
testing done. I really don't see a business case for upgrading existing
machines.
What I don't understand about this newsgroup is the juvenile bickering.
Someone says Vista doesn't suit their needs and a pro-Vista user attacks
them as if they had been personally criticised.
Computers are tools to do a job. The operating system is not an end to
itself. If your job requires you to run a 10year old program that won't work
under Vista, then Vista doesn't meet your requirements and you are perfectly
entitled to say so.
I'll leave now before some overactive adolescent starts bitching about my
opinion<g>
--
John Blessing
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