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Miss Perspicacia Tick
measekite said:
You finally availed yourself of that mirror?
Well at least it's nice to know you finally admit it - shame it took you
this long...
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You finally availed yourself of that mirror?
Well at least it's nice to know you finally admit it - shame it took you
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Ivor Floppy
measekite said:Epson says that a cleaning cycle is performed each time the printer is
turned on.
You mean 'an Epson rep I spoke to told me that a cleaning cycle is performed
each time the printer is turned on' - unless you can show us where this is
stated on the Epson website.
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Arthur Entlich
This statement doesn't really make sense. Yes, inkjet paper coatings do
dust and can deposit on the heads, on any inkjet printer, but that has
nothing to do with if the printer is left on or not. Current Epson
printers for the last many years, part and cap the heads within a few
minutes of stopping printing. Once the heads are capped, they are
capped and they should not be exposed to either more paper dust nor to air.
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dust and can deposit on the heads, on any inkjet printer, but that has
nothing to do with if the printer is left on or not. Current Epson
printers for the last many years, part and cap the heads within a few
minutes of stopping printing. Once the heads are capped, they are
capped and they should not be exposed to either more paper dust nor to air.
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Arthur Entlich
Actually most Epson printers, and Canon and HP do a head cleaning when
the printer is switched on. The Epson's look like they are cleaning for
a longer period but they do a lot of "false cleaning, wiping and other
tests during start up, but they also do use up some ink. SO do other
printers.
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the printer is switched on. The Epson's look like they are cleaning for
a longer period but they do a lot of "false cleaning, wiping and other
tests during start up, but they also do use up some ink. SO do other
printers.
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Arthur Entlich
It's probably better, overall to shut the printer down if it is not
going to be used for several hours (like 4 or more). The electronics
have a failure limit in hours, and the more they are powered on, the
more they wear. Further, it makes the printer interior warmer and that
may cause more clogging, and it wastes some electricity, not a lot each,
but cumulatively, it adds to global warming since most power is still
produced from burning fossil fuels.
Yes, I know that turning things one and off can causes some fatigue, but
today's equipment is designed to nearly zero the effect of on-off cycles.
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going to be used for several hours (like 4 or more). The electronics
have a failure limit in hours, and the more they are powered on, the
more they wear. Further, it makes the printer interior warmer and that
may cause more clogging, and it wastes some electricity, not a lot each,
but cumulatively, it adds to global warming since most power is still
produced from burning fossil fuels.
Yes, I know that turning things one and off can causes some fatigue, but
today's equipment is designed to nearly zero the effect of on-off cycles.
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Arthur Entlich
Can you expand upon this? What type of printers were these (printing
technology and brand/models), in what type of application were they
used, and when was this (how old were the printers)?
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I have had 1,000 printers left on 24/7 for 10
technology and brand/models), in what type of application were they
used, and when was this (how old were the printers)?
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I have had 1,000 printers left on 24/7 for 10
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measekite
Someone in this NG inferred that you are on the RAG. I guess so.
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measekite
No if you read them properly. It was stated to me that it is
recommended to turn off only Epson printers. I do not use Epson.
However, I have a friend that uses an R300 and he leaves it on all of
the time.
Wrong Again. I think Epson Corp knows Epson printers better than you do
and they admit to that.
You do not know what you are talking about. Each time you turn an Epson
printer on it uses ink. Since you must turn it on after you turn it off
to print anything it uses ink. Maybe you print without turning it on.
recommended to turn off only Epson printers. I do not use Epson.
However, I have a friend that uses an R300 and he leaves it on all of
the time.
Wrong Again. I think Epson Corp knows Epson printers better than you do
and they admit to that.
You mean 'an Epson rep I spoke to told me that a cleaning cycle is performed
each time the printer is turned on' - unless you can show us where this is
stated on the Epson website.
You do not know what you are talking about. Each time you turn an Epson
printer on it uses ink. Since you must turn it on after you turn it off
to print anything it uses ink. Maybe you print without turning it on.
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Arthur Entlich
For the sake of accuracy, I will state that earlier Epson printers
(can't speak for other brands) (the 600, 700, 800,. 640, 660, 850, etc)
many of which are still in use, did have two different levels of
"parking", one during the printer being on, and one when it was shut off.
These are printers that have an older design which incorporated an air
valve in the cleaning station. This value was not fully blocked off
unless the printer was shut off. When the printer shut off, the head
moved a small fraction of an ink further to the right and this pushed a
small vent up against a spring loaded blocking plug, sealing the
cleaning station from air flow. This kept the heads from drying out.
Epson removed the air valve many years back, but a lot of the older
machines are still in use, so I thought I'd inform people of the
differences.
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(can't speak for other brands) (the 600, 700, 800,. 640, 660, 850, etc)
many of which are still in use, did have two different levels of
"parking", one during the printer being on, and one when it was shut off.
These are printers that have an older design which incorporated an air
valve in the cleaning station. This value was not fully blocked off
unless the printer was shut off. When the printer shut off, the head
moved a small fraction of an ink further to the right and this pushed a
small vent up against a spring loaded blocking plug, sealing the
cleaning station from air flow. This kept the heads from drying out.
Epson removed the air valve many years back, but a lot of the older
machines are still in use, so I thought I'd inform people of the
differences.
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measekite
Arthur said:This statement doesn't really make sense. Yes, inkjet paper coatings
do dust and can deposit on the heads, on any inkjet printer, but that
has nothing to do with if the printer is left on or not.
He said that if the Epson printer head is parked in the parking station
there is less chance for the dust to accumulate on the head.
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measekite
Arthur said:Can you expand upon this? What type of printers were these (printing
technology and brand/models), in what type of application were they
used, and when was this (how old were the printers)?
Most were HP Deskjets of various models. Others were epsons. These
were on peoples desktops and shared between 2 cubes. They were used to
print business documents and some graphics. We also had many Laser
printers but these were shared by small groups who did not need color.
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Arthur Entlich
From my experience that is not totally true. It seems to depend upon
how long the printer has been sitting. I know my printers have an
EEPROM timing chip set up for just this purpose.
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how long the printer has been sitting. I know my printers have an
EEPROM timing chip set up for just this purpose.
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Ivor Floppy
[SNIP]measekite said:Ivor Floppy wrote:
Perhaps next time you reply to somebody you'd be more careful and actually
quote the message from the person your replying to, rather than quote a
reply to the message your replying to, and therefore attribute the reply to
the wrong person.
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Arthur Entlich
As I stated just below your reply in my earlier posting, Epson printers
park the heads within minutes if not used. And, they always end up over
the parking/cleaning area immediately after they finish printing, even
if they didn't "park" fully, so the statement still makes no sense to me.
Simply put, Epson printers always return the heads to the cleaning
station after a print job, no matter what. They home there as soon as
the printer is shut off, even if you do so in the middle of a print job.
The only way they would not be there is if you unplugged the printer
while it was printing.
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park the heads within minutes if not used. And, they always end up over
the parking/cleaning area immediately after they finish printing, even
if they didn't "park" fully, so the statement still makes no sense to me.
Simply put, Epson printers always return the heads to the cleaning
station after a print job, no matter what. They home there as soon as
the printer is shut off, even if you do so in the middle of a print job.
The only way they would not be there is if you unplugged the printer
while it was printing.
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Arthur Entlich
Were you the IT person responsible for them? If so, why do you have so
little knowledge of Epson printers? Or do you mean you worked in an
office building or other situation which happened to have a lot of
printers in it that were left on?
What was your involvement? How would you know if the printers worked
well or not, unless you were the IT person responsible for the printers?
Did you ask each employee? Did you go from desk to desk and check
them out?
Did the business/school/whatever (1,000 printers is a heck of a lot)
have a policy of not turning their printers off ever (pretty wasteful
and foolish, who the heck was their IT person to suggest that one!)?
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little knowledge of Epson printers? Or do you mean you worked in an
office building or other situation which happened to have a lot of
printers in it that were left on?
What was your involvement? How would you know if the printers worked
well or not, unless you were the IT person responsible for the printers?
Did you ask each employee? Did you go from desk to desk and check
them out?
Did the business/school/whatever (1,000 printers is a heck of a lot)
have a policy of not turning their printers off ever (pretty wasteful
and foolish, who the heck was their IT person to suggest that one!)?
Art
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measekite
Arthur said:Were you the IT person responsible for them? If so, why do you have
so little knowledge of Epson printers? Or do you mean you worked in
an office building or other situation which happened to have a lot of
printers in it that were left on?
I was the Technical Research Analyst. Mostly, I recommended HP Products
for printing and Dell Computers for most everything else. We also had
HP Unix servers and IBM and Compaq Servers along with a 3090 mainframe.
I did not have responsibility for the mainframe.
What was your involvement? How would you know if the printers worked
well or not, unless you were the IT person responsible for the
printers? Did you ask each employee? Did you go from desk to desk
and check them out?
Like I said, I had responsibility.
Did the business/school/whatever (1,000 printers is a heck of a lot)
have a policy of not turning their printers off ever (pretty wasteful
and foolish, who the heck was their IT person to suggest that one!)?
We all left everything on all of the time. Things were set to auto
power save. The rest is of little significance.
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Arthur Entlich
We all left everything on all of the time. Things were set to auto
That's a statement from the dark ages, especially when speaking about
thousands of stations. In fact, it's that thinking that's going to
place us right back into the dark ages.
Doesn't a "Technical Research Analyst", if having anything to do with
the equipment at all, mainly recommend what to buy, and then work on
computer programming within the specific area the company is developing,
rather than service anything on an ongoing basis? It seems to me unless
you were working for a printer company as a "Technical Research Analyst"
you'd not be likely to work on the printers, although you might develop
software that printed on the printers (not quite the same thing).
Wouldn't this organization have a printer technician to work with and
repair the 1000's of printers?
Art
power save. The rest is of little significance.
That's a statement from the dark ages, especially when speaking about
thousands of stations. In fact, it's that thinking that's going to
place us right back into the dark ages.
Doesn't a "Technical Research Analyst", if having anything to do with
the equipment at all, mainly recommend what to buy, and then work on
computer programming within the specific area the company is developing,
rather than service anything on an ongoing basis? It seems to me unless
you were working for a printer company as a "Technical Research Analyst"
you'd not be likely to work on the printers, although you might develop
software that printed on the printers (not quite the same thing).
Wouldn't this organization have a printer technician to work with and
repair the 1000's of printers?
Art
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measekite
Arthur said:That's a statement from the dark ages, especially when speaking about
thousands of stations. In fact, it's that thinking that's going to
place us right back into the dark ages.
Doesn't a "Technical Research Analyst", if having anything to do with
the equipment at all, mainly recommend what to buy, and then work on
computer programming within the specific area the company is
developing, rather than service anything on an ongoing basis? It
seems to me unless you were working for a printer company as a
"Technical Research Analyst" you'd not be likely to work on the
printers, although you might develop software that printed on the
printers (not quite the same thing).
Wouldn't this organization have a printer technician to work with and
repair the 1000's of printers?
We did not have hardware Tech in out company. We had service contracts
with the hardware vendors.