ATTN: Users of NAV, NSW and NIS 2004

[Dan]

Yes, I did and Gary S. Terhune is an MVP and I see that you are not so you
should be nicer to people in this newsgroup, Leythos.

: On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:32:27 -0700, Dan wrote:
:
: > Well, you are adding a great deal of registry entries with Norton
(Symantec)
: > products.
:
: Dan, you add a great deal of registry entries with many products, did you
: have a point you were trying to make?
:
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[kurttrail]

Funny, I'm not upset or unchilled, I just related that out large
experience with NAV/Symantec Corp edition has not been the same - then
your buddy replied with a troll.

It wasn't a troll. Just mine and many others opinion. Even many of the
MVPs around here wouldn't advise using Symancrap.

Did you miss this from Kurt:

I doubt he did.

Maybe you should evaluate his ability to provide anything
constructive in any discussion. I left the rest of the post below so
you could see it.

And if you weren't a top-poster I wouldn't have cut it! ;-)

As for Symancrap AV, it is a resource hog compared to many others, with
the exception of Macafee. In fighting viruses, they all have had
problems getting defs out for certain viruses, so I'd rather have an AV
program with a small footprint that isn't so entwined into every part of
the OS.

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[Dan]

My thoughts exactly Kurt but personally I do not care much for McAfee either.

: Leythos wrote:
: > On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:35:26 -0700, Dan wrote:
: >
: >> Kurt, I completely agree with you on Symantec (Norton) being a
: >> system and resource hog. Leythos you sound like a great person but
: >> you need to chill, lighten up and have some fun in your life.
: >
: > Funny, I'm not upset or unchilled, I just related that out large
: > experience with NAV/Symantec Corp edition has not been the same - then
: > your buddy replied with a troll.
:
: It wasn't a troll. Just mine and many others opinion. Even many of the
: MVPs around here wouldn't advise using Symancrap.
:
: >
: > Did you miss this from Kurt:
: >>>>> LOL! A Symancrap lover too!
:
: I doubt he did.
:
: >
: > Maybe you should evaluate his ability to provide anything
: > constructive in any discussion. I left the rest of the post below so
: > you could see it.
:
: And if you weren't a top-poster I wouldn't have cut it! ;-)
:
: As for Symancrap AV, it is a resource hog compared to many others, with
: the exception of Macafee. In fighting viruses, they all have had
: problems getting defs out for certain viruses, so I'd rather have an AV
: program with a small footprint that isn't so entwined into every part of
: the OS.
:
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[kurttrail]

My thoughts exactly Kurt but personally I do not care much for McAfee
either.

I meant that Mcafee was just about as much of a symtem hog as Sym.
Sorry if I wasn't clear about that.

I wouldn't have either companies products near any of my systems.

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[Dan]

Thanks for clearing that up and so you and I Kurt are in complete agreement
on these points. I wonder how long it will take Leythos to come around if he
is even willing to accept differing points of view and so I wonder because he
does not seem like a bad person but just perhaps too sure of himself and
somewhat confused. Anyway, have an awesome day, Kurt.

: Dan wrote:
: > My thoughts exactly Kurt but personally I do not care much for McAfee
: > either.
: >
:
: I meant that Mcafee was just about as much of a symtem hog as Sym.
: Sorry if I wasn't clear about that.
:
: I wouldn't have either companies products near any of my systems.
:
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[Leythos]

Have you personally tried EZARMOR by Computer Associates? My dad uses Norton
Antivirus and it is okay but is not as great as EZARMOR. EZARMOR even
removes associated registry entries after uninstalling the product and it
gives you many options and does not have the overhead that Norton Antivirus
has. Gary S. Terhune, MVP does not suggest users to use McAfee or Symantec
(Norton) products because of the amount of system resources that they
consume. Gary was the one responsible for leading me to the full edition of
EZARMOR with their software firewall and antivirus program. EZARMOR uses an
older version of ZA PRO. that does not have the tendrils as deeply into the
os as newer versions of ZA PRO. have. It is really good and you should try
it out, Leythos.

I've not tried it this year, but have in the past, it's not something I'm
willing to bet the farm on. We also don't run personal firewalls on
workstations or servers, only on Laptops and for those we use Tiny or
Kerio.

As for tendrils, there are a lot of apps that don't fully remove their
hooks from the OS/Registry, and as long as it doesn't cause me any
problems I'm not worried about it. NAV and Symantec have been trouble-free
in operation for a long time on our systems and our clients system, until
we test something that provides the support and management functions
that's better we're not likely to switch.

 

[Leythos]

Yes, I did and Gary S. Terhune is an MVP and I see that you are not so you
should be nicer to people in this newsgroup, Leythos.

Would you care to point out where I was rude to Gary? As I recall the only
person I've been rude to has been Kurt and Alias, but I think that with
Alias it was a misunderstanding, with Kurt it's something he's started.

 

[Leythos]

Thanks for clearing that up and so you and I Kurt are in complete agreement
on these points. I wonder how long it will take Leythos to come around if he
is even willing to accept differing points of view and so I wonder because he
does not seem like a bad person but just perhaps too sure of himself and
somewhat confused. Anyway, have an awesome day, Kurt.

Dan, I've been doing this since the 70's and have a long history of
finding solutions that work and being able to design solutions around many
platforms and vendors products. I listen to so many different reviews of
products that you probably couldn't count them all - at the same time I
almost always take nothing said in those reviews as fact and never
implement a solution based on OTHER people's reviews, only after they've
been tested in my lab or by teams do I put any weight on a review.

When it comes to being sure, that's one more of those experience things -
when you work with something day in and day out, see the benefit and
results day in and day out, when you test similar systems/objects and see
the results day in and day out, you come to a real understanding of what
works best in a selected situation and what should be avoided.

In my case, I would NEVER install McAfee on anyone's computers, but I live
stand by using Symantec Corporate Edition 9 for all systems (servers,
workstations, laptops, running Win 2000 and above) as I've seen the
results of other solutions.

I presented a view on Symantec/NAV as relevant to this thread, and my
reply was on topic and contained information relevant to it. I've yet to
see another reply about the subject that contains any relevant information
- have you?

 

[Dan]

Well, suit yourself but according to the folks at eeye the Kerio firewall has
had its share of problems. I guess I will not change you, Leythos even
though it is my passion to investigate security issues with MVP's like Gary
S. Terhune and Robear, MVP in charge of security. Have a nice day!

: On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:50:24 -0700, Dan wrote:
:
: > Have you personally tried EZARMOR by Computer Associates? My dad uses
Norton
: > Antivirus and it is okay but is not as great as EZARMOR. EZARMOR even
: > removes associated registry entries after uninstalling the product and it
: > gives you many options and does not have the overhead that Norton
Antivirus
: > has. Gary S. Terhune, MVP does not suggest users to use McAfee or
Symantec
: > (Norton) products because of the amount of system resources that they
: > consume. Gary was the one responsible for leading me to the full edition
of
: > EZARMOR with their software firewall and antivirus program. EZARMOR uses
an
: > older version of ZA PRO. that does not have the tendrils as deeply into
the
: > os as newer versions of ZA PRO. have. It is really good and you should
try
: > it out, Leythos.
:
: I've not tried it this year, but have in the past, it's not something I'm
: willing to bet the farm on. We also don't run personal firewalls on
: workstations or servers, only on Laptops and for those we use Tiny or
: Kerio.
:
: As for tendrils, there are a lot of apps that don't fully remove their
: hooks from the OS/Registry, and as long as it doesn't cause me any
: problems I'm not worried about it. NAV and Symantec have been trouble-free
: in operation for a long time on our systems and our clients system, until
: we test something that provides the support and management functions
: that's better we're not likely to switch.
:
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[Dan]

The corporate edition of Symantec may be okay like I previously stated but
the home edition is really poor and telephone support is terrible at
Symantec. I f__king hate Symantec support because I have called them by
telephone and they disconnected me 3 times and I talked to a clueless tech.
Excuse my strong language but it is necessary to express how strongly I feel
against Symantec. (aka Norton) My next step is to report Symantec to the
federal government for their fraud. Oh yes, did I say that I do work for the
federal government. Also, I have done programming since I was 7 and so I
think I may have a leg up on you. I would appreciate if you would change
your belief and attitude on this matter Leythos.

: On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:13:51 -0700, Dan wrote:
:
: > Thanks for clearing that up and so you and I Kurt are in complete
agreement
: > on these points. I wonder how long it will take Leythos to come around
if he
: > is even willing to accept differing points of view and so I wonder
because he
: > does not seem like a bad person but just perhaps too sure of himself and
: > somewhat confused. Anyway, have an awesome day, Kurt.
:
: Dan, I've been doing this since the 70's and have a long history of
: finding solutions that work and being able to design solutions around many
: platforms and vendors products. I listen to so many different reviews of
: products that you probably couldn't count them all - at the same time I
: almost always take nothing said in those reviews as fact and never
: implement a solution based on OTHER people's reviews, only after they've
: been tested in my lab or by teams do I put any weight on a review.
:
: When it comes to being sure, that's one more of those experience things -
: when you work with something day in and day out, see the benefit and
: results day in and day out, when you test similar systems/objects and see
: the results day in and day out, you come to a real understanding of what
: works best in a selected situation and what should be avoided.
:
: In my case, I would NEVER install McAfee on anyone's computers, but I live
: stand by using Symantec Corporate Edition 9 for all systems (servers,
: workstations, laptops, running Win 2000 and above) as I've seen the
: results of other solutions.
:
: I presented a view on Symantec/NAV as relevant to this thread, and my
: reply was on topic and contained information relevant to it. I've yet to
: see another reply about the subject that contains any relevant information
: - have you?
:
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[Dan]

Kurt is just pushing your buttons because you let him annoy you and it is as
simple as that.

: On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:51:41 -0700, Dan wrote:
: > Yes, I did and Gary S. Terhune is an MVP and I see that you are not so
you
: > should be nicer to people in this newsgroup, Leythos.
:
: Would you care to point out where I was rude to Gary? As I recall the only
: person I've been rude to has been Kurt and Alias, but I think that with
: Alias it was a misunderstanding, with Kurt it's something he's started.
:
:
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[Leythos]

The corporate edition of Symantec may be okay like I previously stated but
the home edition is really poor and telephone support is terrible at
Symantec. I f__king hate Symantec support because I have called them by
telephone and they disconnected me 3 times and I talked to a clueless tech.
Excuse my strong language but it is necessary to express how strongly I feel
against Symantec. (aka Norton) My next step is to report Symantec to the

Getting disconnected happens sometimes, if I had to stop using programs
because of phone support I don't there there would be a single program I
would be using right now - with one exception: Microsoft PAID support has
always resolved any problem I've put before them when I was unable to
resolve it myself, and in the 8 or so calls I've made on customers
behalfs, I've only been charged once. There was even a time about 6 months
ago when we had problems with a VPN issue, I used one of my support calls
and even thought it was determined that it was a router issue, then MS
support tech stuck with me for two more hours while we found a work around
to the problem, and they didn't charge me or count it as one of our calls.

federal government for their fraud. Oh yes, did I say that I do work
for the federal government. Also, I have done programming since I was 7
and so I think I may have a leg up on you. I would appreciate if you
would change your belief and attitude on this matter Leythos.

Dan, I appreciate that you've been programming since you were 7, but,
there are programmers and then there are programmers - being a programmer
does not mean you know anything in particular. As an example, I write code
in more than 12 languages and several platforms, but it doesn't mean a
hill of beans unless it's relevant to the current problem. You may have a
leg up on me, but I'm not sure that it matters, as this discussion is
about NAT/NSW/NIS and the issues surrounding those have little to do with
programming.

One word of advice - don't let your emotions cloud your judgment when it
comes to anything - you can Hate Symantec for any number of reasons, but
it doesn't change the fact that they have a couple very nice products that
exceed many of the competitions lines.

 

[Leythos]

Kurt is just pushing your buttons because you let him annoy you and it is as
simple as that.

If you believe that then he's been pushing your buttons more than mine. He
only got under my skin at the start, before I figured him out, not he's
just a toy

Don't let him fool you Dan, he's got an agenda and it doesn't include any
constructive help in this group.

 

[kurttrail]

If you believe that then he's been pushing your buttons more than
mine. He only got under my skin at the start, before I figured him
out, not he's just a toy

LOL! Keep on lying to yourself.

Don't let him fool you Dan, he's got an agenda and it doesn't include
any constructive help in this group.

Whatever.

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[Dan]

I understand what you are saying, Leythos but I am on really good terms with
Microsoft and I know and trust Microsoft as a company. I do not trust
Symantec. They do not answer their phone frequently and when they do
Symantec has clueless people that answer. I hope Microsoft drives Symantec
out of business with a true and good antivirus program when Microsoft decides
to get into that business. Microsoft has already bought Giant and hopefully
they will do wonders with an antispyware program when it has a public
release.

: On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:12:31 -0700, Dan wrote:
:
: >
: > The corporate edition of Symantec may be okay like I previously stated
but
: > the home edition is really poor and telephone support is terrible at
: > Symantec. I f__king hate Symantec support because I have called them by
: > telephone and they disconnected me 3 times and I talked to a clueless
tech.
: > Excuse my strong language but it is necessary to express how strongly I
feel
: > against Symantec. (aka Norton) My next step is to report Symantec to the
:
: Getting disconnected happens sometimes, if I had to stop using programs
: because of phone support I don't there there would be a single program I
: would be using right now - with one exception: Microsoft PAID support has
: always resolved any problem I've put before them when I was unable to
: resolve it myself, and in the 8 or so calls I've made on customers
: behalfs, I've only been charged once. There was even a time about 6 months
: ago when we had problems with a VPN issue, I used one of my support calls
: and even thought it was determined that it was a router issue, then MS
: support tech stuck with me for two more hours while we found a work around
: to the problem, and they didn't charge me or count it as one of our calls.
:
: > federal government for their fraud. Oh yes, did I say that I do work
: > for the federal government. Also, I have done programming since I was 7
: > and so I think I may have a leg up on you. I would appreciate if you
: > would change your belief and attitude on this matter Leythos.
:
: Dan, I appreciate that you've been programming since you were 7, but,
: there are programmers and then there are programmers - being a programmer
: does not mean you know anything in particular. As an example, I write code
: in more than 12 languages and several platforms, but it doesn't mean a
: hill of beans unless it's relevant to the current problem. You may have a
: leg up on me, but I'm not sure that it matters, as this discussion is
: about NAT/NSW/NIS and the issues surrounding those have little to do with
: programming.
:
: One word of advice - don't let your emotions cloud your judgment when it
: comes to anything - you can Hate Symantec for any number of reasons, but
: it doesn't change the fact that they have a couple very nice products that
: exceed many of the competitions lines.
:
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[Don Burnette]

LOL! Keep on lying to yourself.


Whatever.

Uh huh, Leythos is exactly right.

Once a thief, always a thief.

 

[Tom]

Uh huh, Leythos is exactly right.

Once a thief, always a thief.

Really, have you actually ever seen kurt lift something illegally, other than making words terms mean theft?

Did you ever (and don't lie) take something that was definite theft, (even if it were a piece of candy)?

 

[Pop]

Leythos wrote:
.

None. They all have problems.

But Symancrap is one of the worst for hogging system resources
unnecessarily. Plus having to connect to verisign for every little
thing. Right click on a file, and there goes Symancrap checking out a
certificate over at verisign.

And ignorance raises its ugly head again. False allegations,
misinformation, and intentional crudeness are the mark of a wart on the ass
of progress for these regressionists. But, they are semi-amusing at least,
until one gets tired of their tripe-wrapped spews.

 

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[Pop]

The Corporate editions may be okay but the home user editions of
Symantec (Norton) products suck.

And you know this ... how?