Assembled PC dose not power

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CBFalconer said:
This small quoted sequence is a serious indication of the poverty
of modern education. IMO nobody capable of reading and writing
should be unaware of Cervantes and Don Quixote.

Ahh so he is an English teacher - we learn with more every post!

My son is now able to read and write, but I'm pretty sure he is unaware of
Cervantes and Don Quixote. Consider my wrist well and truly slapped! I shall
reprimand him severely when he gets in from his primary school this
afternoon and I shall be having serious words with his primary teacher. This
drop in standards is truly appalling - they haven't even considered the
works of Keats yet. Modern 7 year olds, eh?
 
GT said:
Ahh so he is an English teacher - we learn with more every post!

My son is now able to read and write, but I'm pretty sure he is
unaware of Cervantes and Don Quixote. Consider my wrist well and
truly slapped! I shall reprimand him severely when he gets in
from his primary school this afternoon and I shall be having
serious words with his primary teacher. This drop in standards
is truly appalling - they haven't even considered the works of
Keats yet. Modern 7 year olds, eh?

I should have ignored this stupid message, but ... Yes, I probably
should have included the word adult somewhere, but I never dreamed
anyone would consider this a recommendation for initial reading
courses. Your 'conclusions' are universally wrong.

I suspect your son could improve on the quality of your posts. At
least he is lucky enough to not be burdened with more than 50% of
your genes.
 
CBFalconer said:
I should have ignored this stupid message, but ... Yes, I probably
should have included the word adult somewhere, but I never dreamed
anyone would consider this a recommendation for initial reading
courses. Your 'conclusions' are universally wrong.

You are so easy to wind up!
I suspect your son could improve on the quality of your posts. At
least he is lucky enough to not be burdened with more than 50% of
your genes.

.... and even more fortunate to sport 0% of yours.
 
I think they stopped because the power supply detected a short and
shut down. ...
Another possibility are any USB cables that go from header pins on the
mobo to the case's front USB sockets. ...
Do you have a floppy disk drive in the system? If so, verify that its
power connector is plugged in right because it's easy for it to be off
by one pin and cause a short.

It could be .... the power supply controller detected a bad voltage
due to excessive ripple voltage. Or it could be power supply
controller has a circuit defect. Or a CPU function caused power
supply controller to shutdown. Or power switch gets stuck. Or power
consumption is too large causing power supply to enter current
foldback limiting - a shutdown state that is temporarily cured by a
complete power off. Or a safety cutoff circuit was activated that can
only be reset by removing the power cord. Or ... maybe another 50
reasons.

Instead suspect is immediately identified if numbers are first
obtained. Numbers that "definitively" point to a suspect. No
speculation. No shotgunning. And numbers that mean replies with
useful information are posted here. That same point is made
repeatedly in CSI. "Follow the evidence." 'Could be this and could
be that' is only wild speculation. How many items should Lara replace
or disassemble? That is called shotgunning. Keep replacing things
until something works? Does that mean the problem was solved? No,
shotgunning only means symptoms were solved - and only maybe the
problem. Worse, shotgunning can also exponentially complicate a
problem - create additional defects.

Unknown? Yes, even a defective power supply can still boot a
computer. Others will assume a good power supply only because the
computer boots. But a defective power supply is found "definitively"
defective if using numbers. Again, the two minute procedure results
in answers that are 'definitive'..

Which component in that power supply 'system' is defective? Lara
shotgunned a power supply how many times? A failure still exists. At
what point do we learn why bad techs (in all industries) may become
unemployed by shotgunning. But again, logic and science says, "Follow
the evidence".

A procedure that teaches good diagnostic techniques goes right
after the problem. First, a suspect is identified. Only then is the
suspect replaced.

What is the most complex part of this problem? Getting one to learn
good diagnostic techniques; to not shotgun. How many power supplies
were shotgunned and that computer still does not work? After much
labor, zero has been accomplished. Unidentified is even one
"definitively" good component. If a list of what is 'definitively
good' and of what is still unknown existed, then something was
accomplished. Exactly what the Japanese meant when they said, "Don't
work harder; work smarter." Only two minutes with that procedure.
"Follow the evidence". We still know nothing because, instead,
shotgunning was performed. After all that labor (shotgunning), zero
has been accomplished. Everything remains in an 'unknown' category.
Nothing is 'definitive'. Therefore nothing has been accomplished.

Definitive means numbers. Definitive means no shotgunning.
Definitive means replacing only a known suspect. Definitive means
knowing the problem is solved; not just its symptoms. But learning
may be too difficult. Instead, they shotgun. They work harder; not
smarter.
 
Somewhere on teh interweb kony typed:
This is a reminder that I want a newsreader that recognizes
when something is ASCII art and uses fixed fonts only for
the ASCII-art.

This is yet another reminder that, for some reason in the last couple years,
even when selected, fixed font doesn't work for me in OE (6.00.2100.2180,
over several installs).

If I want to look at it as it should be viewed I have to cut'n paste it into
Notepad. :-(
 
Somewhere on teh interweb GT typed:
God forbid that we should move forward! Lets stick in the 80s - its
much safer here!

Were you always a ****wit or did same major life-trauma make you so?

If you don't like it here go to a web forum.
 
Somewhere on teh interweb GT typed:
You are so easy to wind up!

There it is! A self-admitted troll in a non-trolling group. Into the
bit-bucket... (that's killfile to you)

<plonk>
 
~misfit~ said:
Somewhere on teh interweb kony typed:

This is yet another reminder that, for some reason in the last couple years,
even when selected, fixed font doesn't work for me in OE (6.00.2100.2180,
over several installs).

If I want to look at it as it should be viewed I have to cut'n paste it into
Notepad. :-(

I really like the scrambling of my diagram. Reminds me of
something Pablo Picasso might have typed up :-)

http://arts.anu.edu.au/polsci/courses/POLS1005/2007/Images/Picasso.Guernica2.jpg
http://www.offthemarkcartoons.com/cartoons/2007-03-01.gif

Paul
 
Lara said:
yes, all the part are new
I use it for explain these parts for students then we installed them
in the case

This may seem obvious, but have you checked _how_ the motherboard is
mounted in the case. More than once I've seen the inexperienced builder
simply install metal standoff in every hole they could find in their
case and then wonder afterward why there was a short. The answer to that
is, of course, that some cases are made for mounting more than one type
of motherboard and not all of them have exactly the same mounting
points. And since you say that you had students involved in or actually
performing all of the build...
 
~misfit~ said:
Somewhere on teh interweb GT typed:


There it is! A self-admitted troll in a non-trolling group. Into the
bit-bucket... (that's killfile to you)

Please your self. Its no skin off my nose!
 
~misfit~ said:
Somewhere on teh interweb GT typed:

Were you always a ****wit or did same major life-trauma make you so?

If you don't like it here go to a web forum.

Is seems that it is you who doesn't like it here! You sound most distraught.
Perhaps you should seek anger management.
 
~misfit~ said:
Somewhere on teh interweb kony typed:

This is yet another reminder that, for some reason in the last couple
years, even when selected, fixed font doesn't work for me in OE
(6.00.2100.2180, over several installs).

If I want to look at it as it should be viewed I have to cut'n paste it
into Notepad. :-(

OE View menu -> Text size -> fixed.

Wasn't too hard, eh?
 
Hello,

I have assembled a PC components in the case but it dose not power
on , I changed the power supply also nothing happened ... what is the
problem ?
Is the problem in the switch button cable ?
How can I sure that this cable is installed correctly?

Thanx,,

I suppose it is no sound at all. No fans.. Nothing
(`Cos if you got a brief sound, it can be that you hadn`t connected
the 2x2 or other extra cable from the PSU)



you could look at the motherboard manual, Find where it describes
that set of pins where the power switch is to be / has been connected.
See which 2 pins it connects to.

you would need to note the motherboard model, go to the manufacturer
site, download the manual and find the page where it describes it..
If you mention the model here then somebody may volunteer.. (many will
just ask for the model anyhow and try to do it for you rather than
tell you how to do it)

You can try turning it on with a screwdriver or the end of a pair of
scissors. But test it on another MBRD so you know what I mean. The
idea is to metalically connect the 2 pins.. So a screwdriver touching
both at the same time would do it. jumpers them together, hence the
term jumper.

Take the motherboard out of the case. Unscrew it. (it is possible
to have the MBRD short out if a screw is somewhere it should not be.
The first motherboard I ever put in, the manual had a mistake about
the screws. That is v rare though for it to even be possible for a
screw to be in the wrong place and thus short the MBRD.)

It makes sense when assembling a computer to run the mbrd outside of
the case, and maybe even not bother putting the switch in yet, you can
find the right pins with a screwdriver.

could be a bad motherboard. I think that is how my motherboards die!
One day you try to turn them on and get nothing! (And changing psu
does not help). They tend to crash win xp more and more frequently
beforehand. And in those instances, nothing is shorting it `Cos it
worked before.
 
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