any way to instal xp pro without SP2 that is attached?

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Sentinel

You MS naysayers please don't be ugly and screw up my post. This is a
serious question and it is not intended to be sarcastic.

I just bought XP Pro SP2, the OEM version, from Newegg. It cost me $150 and
Newegg won't take the cd back. I have had all kinds of quirks with this
version and I want to go back to sp1. However, my other version of XP is the
Home version and it is an an upgrade version that sometimes causes me to
have to activate. And no I cannot do an uninstall, because I installed it
after formatting.

1) Is there anyway I can get this XP Pro version to install without the SP2?

2) Can I begin the install and then after it asks me for my serial and I
enter it, can I put in the sp1 disk I have that I ordered from MS? What
would be the result of that?

3) Is there anyway I can get my money back from MS for this? (Serious
question; trolls please leave my post alone.)
 
"3) Is there anyway I can get my money back from MS for this? (Serious
question; trolls please leave my post alone.)"

You didn't buy it from MS, so they wouldn't be able to give your money back.

Tom
| You MS naysayers please don't be ugly and screw up my post. This is a
| serious question and it is not intended to be sarcastic.
|
| I just bought XP Pro SP2, the OEM version, from Newegg. It cost me $150
and
| Newegg won't take the cd back. I have had all kinds of quirks with this
| version and I want to go back to sp1. However, my other version of XP is
the
| Home version and it is an an upgrade version that sometimes causes me to
| have to activate. And no I cannot do an uninstall, because I installed it
| after formatting.
|
| 1) Is there anyway I can get this XP Pro version to install without the
SP2?
|
| 2) Can I begin the install and then after it asks me for my serial and I
| enter it, can I put in the sp1 disk I have that I ordered from MS? What
| would be the result of that?
|
| 3) Is there anyway I can get my money back from MS for this? (Serious
| question; trolls please leave my post alone.)
|
|
 
Then do you think would let me substitute it for a good copy XP Pro sp1? One
way or the other, the money gets back to them.
 
Sentinel said:
You MS naysayers please don't be ugly and screw up my post. This is a
serious question and it is not intended to be sarcastic.

I just bought XP Pro SP2, the OEM version, from Newegg. It cost me $150
and
Newegg won't take the cd back. I have had all kinds of quirks with this
version and I want to go back to sp1. However, my other version of XP is
the
Home version and it is an an upgrade version that sometimes causes me to
have to activate. And no I cannot do an uninstall, because I installed it
after formatting.

1) Is there anyway I can get this XP Pro version to install without the
SP2?
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Nope. SP2 is not some separate installation that gets performed after
installing Windows. The SP2 update has been slipstreamed into the install
so the files that get updated have already been updated. The files have
already been updated that are on the CD, so the SP1 versions of them are
gone.
2) Can I begin the install and then after it asks me for my serial and I
enter it, can I put in the sp1 disk I have that I ordered from MS? What
would be the result of that?
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You have a Microsoft Windows XP SP-1 CD? Well, if you want to revert, why
not boot using it, reformat the partition where you put Windows XP SP-2, and
just install a clean install of Windows XP SP-1? You will need to use the
product key for whichever Windows you installed.
3) Is there anyway I can get my money back from MS for this?
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It is an OEM version. That means you did NOT buy it from Microsoft. You
can only talk to whomever is the OEM that sold the OEM version to you. Why
did you think the price was cheaper?
(Serious question; trolls please leave my post alone.)
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Yes, and putting a sign on your door saying "Burglars leave my house alone"
really works. Uh huh.
 
Yes, and putting a sign on your door saying "Burglars leave my house alone"
really works. Uh huh.>>>>

You could have left off this last part of your reply. I don't understand
how you keep getting through my filters. You are driving me nuts.
 
Sentinel said:
You MS naysayers please don't be ugly and screw up my post. This is
a serious question and it is not intended to be sarcastic.

I just bought XP Pro SP2, the OEM version, from Newegg. It cost me
$150 and Newegg won't take the cd back. I have had all kinds of
quirks with this version and I want to go back to sp1. However, my
other version of XP is the Home version and it is an an upgrade
version that sometimes causes me to have to activate. And no I
cannot do an uninstall, because I installed it after formatting.

1) Is there anyway I can get this XP Pro version to install without
the SP2?

2) Can I begin the install and then after it asks me for my serial
and I enter it, can I put in the sp1 disk I have that I ordered
from MS? What would be the result of that?

3) Is there anyway I can get my money back from MS for this?
(Serious question; trolls please leave my post alone.)
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You didn't buy it from MS, so they wouldn't be able to give your
money back.
Click to expand...
Then do you think would let me substitute it for a good copy XP Pro
sp1? One way or the other, the money gets back to them.
Click to expand...

Why? That sounds like you bought a 2006 vehicle, realized you wanted a
2004 - so you go to the actual manufacturer of the vehicles (when the dealer
tells you "a deal is a deal") to ask for an older vehicle?

First off - explain your "need" to go back to SP1 - perhaps it is something
simple that you just need to understand that is preventing you from using
the improvements (or turning off those you don't want to use) of Windows XP
SP2.

You seem to have a valid Windows XP Pro and a valid Windows XP Home CD.

Your XP Home is an Upgrade - but don't let the name full you. If you have a
Windows 9x/ME/2000 CD around - it is just as good as a full version - as it
can be used to perform a clean installation. If you do not have qualifying
media - then you must have had some machine that came with "recovery CDs" or
"recovery partitions" instead of an actual OS CD. In the future - ask for
and demand the actual CD. It'll be OEM most of the time - but that is
better than none at all.

Your Windows XP Professional is the OEM version with Service Pack 2
integrated onto it. And no - there is *no way* you can de-integrate SP2
from the CD. It is and will always be SP2 level. No you cannot switch CDs
in the middle of the install and expect that to work. If your SP1 CD is not
the Windows XP Home CD - but the patches CD microsoft gave away - it does
you no good here either - and even if it is your Windows XP Home CD - you
seem to think it doesn't work well either.

I believe - with every fiber - you are missing the actual problem - which is
something on the machine. You have bad RAM, a bad power supply, a bum hard
disk drive or a screwy motherboard or controller. That would easily explain
a problem with both OSes. Given the amount of information you have
provided - that is the only conclusion I am willing to come to.

If you throw out more about your issues - perhaps they can be fixed.
Perhaps (and we have no way of knowing your skill level with computer yet)
you just need to cleanup and update your machine properly (latest drivers,
firmware updates, software updates, antivirus, antispyware, firewall, etc..)
and everything will be okay and my hardware conclusioon could be proven
incorrect. I have no idea until you provide us with the trouble you are
seeing.
 
Sentinel said:
Yes, and putting a sign on your door saying "Burglars leave my house
alone"
really works. Uh huh.>>>>

You could have left off this last part of your reply. I don't understand
how you keep getting through my filters. You are driving me nuts.
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Nope, you don't get to dictate HOW anyone responds. Tough. And you waving
that virtual gun doesn't frighten me at all.
 
I feel your pain, SP2 is shit. I don't like writing that about a MS product,
and it is not meant to be offensive to the people in this group. SP2 may
well contain 5 million new lines of code, and all kinds of security updates,
but MS is getting into trouble here:

1. SP2 has a major list of bugs. It breaks a lot of software, period.

2. It runs too much crap in the background. Don't give me the line about
"you can turn it off". Most end users do not have the knowledge or even know
what is going on. How do you make a 286? Take a dual 3.8 GB Prescott and
install WinXP SP2.

3. The security holes are far from fixed.

4. Many ill thought hot patches have come out since, do a search on KB902400
for more details.

5. It hangs the registry something awful, see Event ID 1517. Instead of MS
admitting it, it comes up with the UPH tool. Which is a fix for their shitty
coding. Outlook with any PDA hangs it consistently. BTW, MS blames third
party drivers for this, 9 times out of 10, the driver or software is
directly from MS, like ActiveSync, Outlook, etc. MS needs to fix their code.
A lot of these 1517 errors were not in SP1. This is a major PITA with
roaming profiles.

6. DCOM is F'ed up beyond recognition in SP2. BTW, worms and viruses galore
attack it anyway. DCOM need to be fixed or trashed, instead of the
in-between junk coming out of MS.

7. etc, etc ,etc

I have spent the better part of a month trying to get several hundred
desktops to run SP2 and I have spend far more of my time reading MS's KB
than I ever wanted to. The norm is, "Oh that patch broke that other patch,
so install this patch to fix the other two."

JJ
 
John E. Jones said:
I feel your pain, SP2 is shit. I don't like writing that about a MS
product,
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If it is to terrible, why have I had no problems? I installed SP2 in August
after I made certain that all of the other software I was running was SP2
compaible. You know, things like PS, Nikon Scan, Adobe Reader, Easy CD
Creator, etc etc. Not one of these products ever had a problem. As
recommended by Dell, I did flash the BIOS before starting all of this.

In all, it took about 2 hours to get the job done.
Jim
 
Guys please don't do this to my thread!!!! Can't you start your own thread.
When you turn my thread into a hate fest, no one is going to continue to
help me.

Please, if you have nothing to say that specifically helps me or addresses
my problem, please go start your own thread.

PLEASE.
 
Killjoy!
Guys please don't do this to my thread!!!! Can't you start your own
thread. When you turn my thread into a hate fest, no one is going to
continue to help me.

Please, if you have nothing to say that specifically helps me or addresses
my problem, please go start your own thread.

PLEASE.
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Senintel.. please listen to me...

XP with SP2 is the best version of XP you can get...

try to solve the other problems you have, with work arounds...
you can discuss the other problems you have here and we will help you solve
them. But stick with SP2...

You must go forward, not back....


Kenny
 
Sentinel said:
You MS naysayers please don't be ugly and screw up my post. This is a
serious question and it is not intended to be sarcastic.

I just bought XP Pro SP2, the OEM version, from Newegg. It cost me $150 and
Newegg won't take the cd back. I have had all kinds of quirks with this
version and I want to go back to sp1. However, my other version of XP is the
Home version and it is an an upgrade version that sometimes causes me to
have to activate. And no I cannot do an uninstall, because I installed it
after formatting.

1) Is there anyway I can get this XP Pro version to install without the SP2?
Click to expand...

Not with that specific CD, no. The SP files are thoroughly integrated
with the older OS files. There's no way to separate them.

2) Can I begin the install and then after it asks me for my serial and I
enter it, can I put in the sp1 disk I have that I ordered from MS? What
would be the result of that?
Click to expand...

It would fail, recognizing the invalid Product Key.

Product Keys are bound to the specific type and language of CD/license
(OEM, Volume, retail, full, or Upgrade) with which they are purchased.
For example, a WinXP Home OEM Product Key won't work for any retail
version of WinXP Home, or for any version of WinXP Pro, and vice versa.
An upgrade's Product Key cannot be used with a full version CD, and
vice versa. An OEM Product Key will not work to install a retail
product. An Italian Product Key will not work with an English CD.
Bottom line: Product Keys and CD/license types cannot be mixed & matched.

3) Is there anyway I can get my money back from MS for this? (Serious
question; trolls please leave my post alone.)
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No, Microsoft provides no support for OEM licenses, nor can you return
one that did not originally come from them. You'll have to deal with
Newegg if you want to return the license. However, as you've apparently
already opened the packaging and installed the software, Newegg will
very probably not want it back. Because it's an OEM license, it can't
be reused on any other computer.

Perhaps if you were to post the problems SP2 is seemingly causing,
someone can offer a viable solution.


--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:



You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having
both at once. - RAH
 
SP2 has been installed successfully on all of our computers at work. 60+.
No issues, no problems with anything.

Tom
|I feel your pain, SP2 is shit. I don't like writing that about a MS
product,
| and it is not meant to be offensive to the people in this group. SP2 may
| well contain 5 million new lines of code, and all kinds of security
updates,
| but MS is getting into trouble here:
|
| 1. SP2 has a major list of bugs. It breaks a lot of software, period.
|
| 2. It runs too much crap in the background. Don't give me the line about
| "you can turn it off". Most end users do not have the knowledge or even
know
| what is going on. How do you make a 286? Take a dual 3.8 GB Prescott and
| install WinXP SP2.
|
| 3. The security holes are far from fixed.
|
| 4. Many ill thought hot patches have come out since, do a search on
KB902400
| for more details.
|
| 5. It hangs the registry something awful, see Event ID 1517. Instead of MS
| admitting it, it comes up with the UPH tool. Which is a fix for their
shitty
| coding. Outlook with any PDA hangs it consistently. BTW, MS blames third
| party drivers for this, 9 times out of 10, the driver or software is
| directly from MS, like ActiveSync, Outlook, etc. MS needs to fix their
code.
| A lot of these 1517 errors were not in SP1. This is a major PITA with
| roaming profiles.
|
| 6. DCOM is F'ed up beyond recognition in SP2. BTW, worms and viruses
galore
| attack it anyway. DCOM need to be fixed or trashed, instead of the
| in-between junk coming out of MS.
|
| 7. etc, etc ,etc
|
| I have spent the better part of a month trying to get several hundred
| desktops to run SP2 and I have spend far more of my time reading MS's KB
| than I ever wanted to. The norm is, "Oh that patch broke that other patch,
| so install this patch to fix the other two."
|
| JJ
|
|
|
|
|
| | > Sentinel wrote:
| >> You MS naysayers please don't be ugly and screw up my post. This is
| >> a serious question and it is not intended to be sarcastic.
| >>
| >> I just bought XP Pro SP2, the OEM version, from Newegg. It cost me
| >> $150 and Newegg won't take the cd back. I have had all kinds of
| >> quirks with this version and I want to go back to sp1. However, my
| >> other version of XP is the Home version and it is an an upgrade
| >> version that sometimes causes me to have to activate. And no I
| >> cannot do an uninstall, because I installed it after formatting.
| >>
| >> 1) Is there anyway I can get this XP Pro version to install without
| >> the SP2?
| >>
| >> 2) Can I begin the install and then after it asks me for my serial
| >> and I enter it, can I put in the sp1 disk I have that I ordered
| >> from MS? What would be the result of that?
| >>
| >> 3) Is there anyway I can get my money back from MS for this?
| >> (Serious question; trolls please leave my post alone.)
| >
| > Tom [Pepper] Willett wrote:
| >> You didn't buy it from MS, so they wouldn't be able to give your
| >> money back.
| >
| > Sentinel wrote:
| >> Then do you think would let me substitute it for a good copy XP Pro
| >> sp1? One way or the other, the money gets back to them.
| >
| > Why? That sounds like you bought a 2006 vehicle, realized you wanted a
| > 2004 - so you go to the actual manufacturer of the vehicles (when the
| > dealer tells you "a deal is a deal") to ask for an older vehicle?
| >
| > First off - explain your "need" to go back to SP1 - perhaps it is
| > something simple that you just need to understand that is preventing you
| > from using the improvements (or turning off those you don't want to use)
| > of Windows XP SP2.
| >
| > You seem to have a valid Windows XP Pro and a valid Windows XP Home CD.
| >
| > Your XP Home is an Upgrade - but don't let the name full you. If you
have
| > a Windows 9x/ME/2000 CD around - it is just as good as a full version -
as
| > it can be used to perform a clean installation. If you do not have
| > qualifying media - then you must have had some machine that came with
| > "recovery CDs" or "recovery partitions" instead of an actual OS CD. In
| > the future - ask for and demand the actual CD. It'll be OEM most of the
| > time - but that is better than none at all.
| >
| > Your Windows XP Professional is the OEM version with Service Pack 2
| > integrated onto it. And no - there is *no way* you can de-integrate SP2
| > from the CD. It is and will always be SP2 level. No you cannot switch
| > CDs in the middle of the install and expect that to work. If your SP1
CD
| > is not the Windows XP Home CD - but the patches CD microsoft gave away -
| > it does you no good here either - and even if it is your Windows XP Home
| > CD - you seem to think it doesn't work well either.
| >
| > I believe - with every fiber - you are missing the actual problem -
which
| > is something on the machine. You have bad RAM, a bad power supply, a
bum
| > hard disk drive or a screwy motherboard or controller. That would
easily
| > explain a problem with both OSes. Given the amount of information you
| > have provided - that is the only conclusion I am willing to come to.
| >
| > If you throw out more about your issues - perhaps they can be fixed.
| > Perhaps (and we have no way of knowing your skill level with computer
yet)
| > you just need to cleanup and update your machine properly (latest
drivers,
| > firmware updates, software updates, antivirus, antispyware, firewall,
| > etc..) and everything will be okay and my hardware conclusioon could be
| > proven incorrect. I have no idea until you provide us with the trouble
| > you are seeing.
| >
| > --
| > Shenan Stanley
| > MS-MVP
| > --
| > How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
| >
| >
|
|
 
There is no way to run your install without SP2.
There is no way you can get your money "back" from MS since this was not
purchased from them.
 
"Vanguard" wrote
Nope, you don't get to dictate HOW anyone responds. Tough. And you
waving that virtual gun doesn't frighten me at all.
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That person is beyond help. How anyone can actually believe they can say
who can, and can't contribute to a thread, is beyond my comprehension.

I suggest they take a chill pill, and call their shrink in the morning.
 
Jumpin Juniper said:
"Vanguard" wrote


That person is beyond help. How anyone can actually believe they can say
who can, and can't contribute to a thread, is beyond my comprehension.

I suggest they take a chill pill, and call their shrink in the morning.
Click to expand...


Hopefully the OP takes the "waving your virtual gun doesn't frighten me" to
understand the humor involved and naivety in trying to dictate how anyone
answers in Usenet, or anywhere else. It's like someone saying, "You can't
say <such-and-such>", which I then follow by saying "<such-and-such>". Sure
I can say it.
 
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