Any Opinions on Vipre Anti-Virus/Anti-Malware?

[FromTheRafters]

Does not matter, The OS is not open source. MS will always have the
advantage and will always be able to write the best code to run on
their
OS.

There is a difference between being able to write code that runs well on
a particular OS and being able to wrtie code that performs its task
well. MS is no more qualified than any other program vendor to write
code to help with security. MS is at least partially responsible for the
malware infested cesspool that the internet has become, why trust them
any more than another to write code to combat infection?

 

[PajaP]

MS is at least partially responsible for the
malware infested cesspool that the internet has become, why trust them
any more than another to write code to combat infection?

No, they are not. That is the fault of the scumbag virus writers.
Windows is the predominant OS. MS are a successful company. This is the
only reason why it is targeted. It has no more flaws than any other OS.
I trust MS to create the OS I use and I also trust them to protect it.

The same applies outside of the digital world. If a scumbag thief picks
(or forces) you home door lock. The fault does not lie with the builder
of the door or lock. It lies with the lowlife who wanted a piece of your
success and the possessions that go with it.

 

[FromTheRafters]

No, they are not. That is the fault of the scumbag virus writers.
Windows is the predominant OS. MS are a successful company. This is
the
only reason why it is targeted. It has no more flaws than any other
OS.

I'm not arguing that point, it is a strawman.

I trust MS to create the OS I use and I also trust them to protect it.

MS is at least partially responsible because of the brain-dead decisions
made in the implementation of their home user OSes.

They're much better now, but that does not forgive the past brain-dead
decisions that resulted in all of the commercial malware we see today.

 

[PajaP]

I'm not arguing that point, it is a strawman.

Just as well because it is fact.

MS is at least partially responsible because of the brain-dead decisions
made in the implementation of their home user OSes.

They're much better now, but that does not forgive the past brain-dead
decisions that resulted in all of the commercial malware we see today.

No, the malware is a result of the morons who write the malware (and
those that kick started the whole virus writing process some time ago).
You can no more blame MS for malware writers than you can any car
manufacturer for the existence of car thieves.

 

[FromTheRafters]

No, it isn't.

Your turn.

 

[PajaP]

No, it isn't.

Your turn.

You are such a child.

 

[David Kaye]

Aside from that, David's statement has compared three apples and an
orange. MBAM doesn't even try to be a comprehensive virus detector
(yet) - while the others do.

I was comparing the opinions of people here, not the products, dickweed.

 

[FromTheRafters]

I was comparing the opinions of people here, not the products,
dickweed.

You were guessing at the opinions you would get here when comparing
apples to oranges.

Such hostility ... it was the featherduster comment wasn't it?

 

[Dustin Cook]

As a member of the FeatherDusterPledge Alliance(FDPA), I think your
comment deserves hospitality.

Careful JD, we might annoy an anonymous remailer who took offense to a
"scumbag" virus writer and several others pointing out those.. ehm, bad
practices. We wouldn't want another super flood of bullshit flushed on
us.

 

[John Mason Jr]

A customer has installed Vipre and I'm curious to know if it's any better than
MS Security Essentials. Does anybody have *actual* experience with Vipre?

I am a happy customer of both the Enterprise and home versions, can't
speak to MSE as I haven't tried it.

The tech support & service are excellent, the products work well even on
older machines with limited resources

John

 

[Slarty]

I'm still licensed to use NOD32 (ESET Smart Security) but recently spat
the dummy and uninstalled it because of their insistence to email to my
ISP email address. which I don't check.

Not in my experience, and I'm a very long term user of NOD32. I cannot
understand why you had that problem, and I very much doubt that it's
because you use the excellent Fastmail.

Cheers,

Roy

 

[David Kaye]

Such hostility ... it was the featherduster comment wasn't it?

No, I'm sick of people such as yourself taking everything and picking it
apart. I asked a simple question and wanted a simple answer. If you keep
spewing crap at me I'll killfile you, too. I don't need this.

 

[David Kaye]

I am a happy customer of both the Enterprise and home versions, can't
speak to MSE as I haven't tried it.

The tech support & service are excellent, the products work well even on
older machines with limited resources

Thank you. That is the kind of stuff I was expecting to see.

 

[FromTheRafters]

No, I'm sick of people such as yourself taking everything and picking
it
apart. I asked a simple question and wanted a simple answer. If you
keep
spewing crap at me I'll killfile you, too. I don't need this.

My apples and oranges comment was not meant to be a picking apart of
your post, but rather a clarification to other possible readers that
MBAM shouldn't be lumped together with antiVIRUS applications. There was
no need for you to make the ad hominem remark. Casual readers might have
taken your observation regarding what you think our opinions are to mean
that MBAM was recommended over Norton, McAfee, and AVG in these groups.

Go ahead and killfile me - it's not as if I care. You can even announce
it if you feel you must.

 

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Yes, I do, works well. I also have Avira, BAM, Superantispyaware, and
S&D, use them all for on-demand scans from time to time. Average rate
of infection: less than one per week.

Can you explain that last sentence, Wolf? Does it mean your computer
gets infected nearly once per week? If that is so, one wonders what is
going on, especially since you use all those anti-malware tools.

 

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

I can't really calculate the rate of infection. Haven't had one for
six weeks, and that was a minor trojan, which had no observable
effect on the system. Prior to that nothing found since before
Christmas. So "less than one per week" is, um, technically correct.
;-)

Aha. If your computer is actually getting infected even as seldom as
"once every six weeks" then I would suggest you are doing something
wrong. With lack of details, I couldn't hazard a guess why, other than
you don't practice 'safe hex.'

XP/SP3/current updates, and Ubuntu 10.04 (which I would use all the
time, except that some software comes Windows-only. There is _no_
equivalent to PMView (originally OS/2) on any platform, nor of
Irfanview either. And I don't have the skills to write such an app
myself. Bah! Also, I'm too lazy to switch OSs just to read news...
;-))

Have you tried those couple of apps with Ubuntu and Wine?
According to: http://www.pmview.com/sysreq.html
the app doesn't appear to be "Windows-intensive" as it runs on all
Windows versions from 95 to the present.

Back in my Windows days, I used Irfanview, too, but since I dropped
Windows in 2006, I've not used it. Maybe I should install it in Wine
someday...

 

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Wolf K wrote: [...]

I can't really calculate the rate of infection. Haven't had one for
six weeks, and that was a minor trojan, which had no observable
effect on the system. Prior to that nothing found since before
Christmas. So "less than one per week" is, um, technically correct.
;-)

Aha. If your computer is actually getting infected even as seldom as
"once every six weeks" then I would suggest you are doing something
wrong. With lack of details, I couldn't hazard a guess why, other
than you don't practice 'safe hex.'

Well, I use NoScript to select which JS objects will run, but even
legit websites are increasingly infected with nasties.

This in Firefox? Hmm, without some samples it would be difficult to
analyze further...

The last couple of weeks I've noticed that some sites will no longer
run without google-analytics allowed. Bah! FWIW, that infection was
found by SAS, but not by the others.

I haven't run into any site like that. The google-analytics domains
(along with the google ad servers) have been in my hosts file for years.

[...]

Have you tried those couple of apps with Ubuntu and Wine?
According to: http://www.pmview.com/sysreq.html
the app doesn't appear to be "Windows-intensive" as it runs on all
Windows versions from 95 to the present.

Thanks for the suggestion, Wine is the Next Big Step. ;-)

Good idea to give it a try. Then you could eschew the, um, the virus
magnet. <g>

 

[ASCII]

Average rate of
infection: less than one per week.

No AV, no AM, lots of warez surfin' and collectin'
with infections less than once per several years here.
Just basic XP FW stopping all attacks.
Not to say I haven't scrubbed a bit too hard in routine cleansing
and had to rebuild from the get go, but that's me and not them.

 

[ASCII]

Bad logic. You assume that what they are able to do they will do.

As in a capable coder like RaiD?
....but...but...he's reformed...right?
Now if Microsoft weren't trying to maintain a business,
but were instead some psychopathic shitsplat,
they might be suspect.

 

[ASCII]

Can you explain that last sentence, Wolf? Does it mean your computer
gets infected nearly once per week? If that is so, one wonders what is
going on, especially since you use all those anti-malware tools.

Could it be those keygens he uses to activate full 'protection'?