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Charlie42
Straight Talk said:What part of "avoid it entirely" did you fail to understand?
Possibly what you meant by "it". I was under the impression you were
referring to anti spyware programs, perhaps you meant the spyware itself? I
sometimes find it a bit hard to interpret your posts, you ought not to leave
us guessing at the meaning of your short statements.
Employing a firewall and taking a restrictive approach to downloads are of
course the better ways to prevent any form of malware, but we were talking
about the cases in which a user - presumably without realizing it - is in
the process of downloading/running a bugger, or has already had his or hers
machine infected.
No matter what, modern OS's kept updated happen to be
pretty secure.
And still my OS manufacturer (Microsoft) recommends adding security
software, in fact their OS starts screaming for it if it's missing or merely
outdated.
It's highly up to oneself. The idea that one cannot be
connected to the Internet without some kind of "protection" is a
fallacy imposed by security companies.
And the OS manufacturer, and the OEM's and so on? I'm thoroughly familiar
with the fundamentals of online dos and don'ts, but would you care to
elaborate on how the security developers managed to pull off this conspiracy
without any of us realizing it, and why security software can do us
absolutely no good? I find that to be a sensational, but puzzling, claim.
And they better teach their kids too. I assume they don't send their
kids out in the traffic without proper guidance either. And BTW, kids
should never have administrative privileges on computers.
Agreed. Standard user accounts only for them as well.
If keeping ones computer patched and thinking about what to
run/install is too big a task, one should reconsider using a computer
at all.
Bin the computer entirely, just because it's hard to judge what's good or
bad on the Net? The world simply doesn't work that way, Straight Talk.
That's no argument. Any sophisticated tool you use you have to
understand how to use properly. I bought a car only to be able to get
me from A to B. I'm just a user. That doesn't mean I don't have to
learn how to get from A to B safely.
I assume you disabled ABS, anti spin, air bags, safety belts, head
restraints and the other safety measures of your car. Following the logic
from the software parallel, they're probably a waste of money too - all you
have to do is to drive carefully, right? With no worries for how others on
the roads might behave?
Personally, I wouldn't take such risks when driving. I'm probably a wary
bloke, I safe guard my computers as well.
The human factor is the main problem and therefore the human factor is
where there is the most to gain security wise.
I fully concur.
Just installing
"security" products in order to "fix" the human factor doesn't bring
us anywhere in terms of security. A stupid user with a security suite
is still a stupid user.
I don't consider the computer commoner to be stupid. Particularly not those
who care enough about their data to operate software to help them protect
it.
Software is unable to determine if what you're doing is good or bad.
That's just a fact.
Is it? One key element of hardwalls and scanners is to set predefined rules
(human decisions on policies, malware signatures aso) that data traffic can
be tested against at a later point. Whether the initial decisions are
flawless or not, It has been my understanding that computers are
particularly useful at carrying out large scale logical tests like this. And
the output provides me with part of the basis for making informed decisions
later on.
What nonsense... What "security" software company do you represent?
My employer neither develops nor retails software.
But I'll rephrase myself: *Encountering* ad and spyware is inevitable,
getting an actual infection depends on what you do when challenged. Bells
and whistles from a real time protection program will make most of us stop
and think, utter silence may not.
if you install/run programs from questionable sources like P2P
networks, we are no longer discussing security.
Media sharing is a major thing today, we both know that, and the security
issues of it have to be addressed. Doing something as simple as enabling a
firewall and scanning files when you download/before you run something,
significantly reduce the risks, even though risk can never be completely
ruled out, particularly not on these networks.
Charlie42