Anti Trojan Software For Home Network

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Yes, the belief that real time protection is a must is wrong thinking.
It might be a must if you have no control over what users are allowed to
do with the system,
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I went one time some years ago and bought a mouse.
I put the floppy in, to copy the driver over to the
hard drive and Norton came up and alerted me to
a virus, as the file was being copied. I called the
company to let them know about it. They told me
that they did have a run of floppies that were
infected. Others had reported it and they tested
them. But hey, why run real time protection?
I mean after all, as long as you have control
over what you're putting on there, right? Nothing
like that could ever contain a virus, right? Or
should we avoid putting anything other than
Windows on our systems and never get on the Net
either, so that we won't be infected?

--

Pastor Dave

"If you believe what you like in the Gospel,
and reject what you like - it is not the Gospel
you believe, but yourselves." - St. Augustine

http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html

http://tinyurl.com/ce97m
 
Beauregard said:
Ahh. Phew! I cleaned out my "/suspect" storage directory and now I
only have four viruses!!!

The four variations of eicar used to verify that the scan works. <g>
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LOL!
 
I went one time some years ago and bought a mouse.
I put the floppy in, to copy the driver over to the
hard drive and Norton came up and alerted me to
a virus, as the file was being copied. I called the
company to let them know about it. They told me
that they did have a run of floppies that were
infected. Others had reported it and they tested
them. But hey, why run real time protection?
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Exactly - you had intended to execute that code, and should have scanned
it prior to use. Scanning it on the floppy, or copying the driver to the
harddrive and scanning it then would have done the trick (no 'real time'
scanning necessary).
I mean after all, as long as you have control
over what you're putting on there, right?
Right!

Nothing like that could ever contain a virus, right?
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Wrong! It is a program, therefore it "could" contain a virus. Why would
you assume that it didn't - safe practice is to scan "all" incoming
programs (best after a cooling off period) before executing them.
Or
should we avoid putting anything other than
Windows on our systems and never get on the Net
either, so that we won't be infected?
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Funny, with the present malware preference for Windows' environments -
it would be Windows to "avoid" putting on. :)

Seriously though, I am not suggesting abstinence, only that 'real time'
AV isn't the most effective way. Most effective is AV as a part of safe
practices - not "instead of" safe practices (which 'real time' scanning
enables users to do). So when someone doesn't use real time AV, it
doesn't follow that he can't have kept his machine clean - it 'could' be
that he knows what he is doing.
 
That's quite a claim and with all due respect,
one that I don't buy. Maybe not that you know
of, but to say "never", I don't think anyone can
say, at least not someone who doesn't run real
time protection.
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You'll probably find that lots of regulars here don't have real time
AV protection. You can add me to the list as well. I have a real
time AV package on my wifes computer but not on this one. I can say
with all certainty that there are no viruses on this machine. It isn't
rocket science to keep it clean.

tim
 
You'll probably find that lots of regulars here don't have real time
AV protection. You can add me to the list as well. I have a real
time AV package on my wifes computer but not on this one. I can say
with all certainty that there are no viruses on this machine. It isn't
rocket science to keep it clean.
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It's obvious the Pastor is hopelessly addicted to porn, warez and P2P.
His kind never learn.

Art

http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg
 
Art said:
It's obvious the Pastor is hopelessly addicted to porn, warez and P2P.
His kind never learn.
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ROFL!! They heard me howling two blocks away when I read the above.
Goodonya!!

Heather
 
Exactly - you had intended to execute that code,
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That's why one should run antivirus software.
Because that's what people do on computers.
They execute code.

and should have scanned it prior to use.
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Really? That's interesting, since an antivirus
scanner cannot scan, as an example, every
file that will be installed before installation
proceeds, with every app out there, given
the way that they are distributed. And
sometimes just the act of decompression
of a package can cause a virus to execute.
But then it's too late. More than once, a
virus scanner has given a clean bill of health,
only to alert to a virus during an installation,
if one is running a real time scanner.

I've been a tech for over 20 years and I know
whereof I speak.

And while the nutcase that likes to attack me
and claim I don't know what I'm doing and
needed help with something basic, let it be
noted, that he is a liar.

The problem I brought up was in no way basic
and I had tried many things before posting
and I had put my problem up on some of the
better known sites for this kind of thing. Not
one response. No one knew what it was
and Google and Yahoo gave zero hits on
the file name. Not only that, but after I
blocked it from entering the registry, it would
find a new way to load and not leave one entry
in the registry.

No one was able to even offer a suggestion
and that idiot blasted me for pointing out
a web site that showed some of what I had
already done as well as my list of other
things that I had tried, when he asked me
what I had tried.

But hey, if that's how people want to judge
my competency, then have at it.

--

Pastor Dave

"If you believe what you like in the Gospel,
and reject what you like - it is not the Gospel
you believe, but yourselves." - St. Augustine

http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html

http://tinyurl.com/ce97m
 
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Do you think I've had a virus because you did?
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I think everyone has had a virus and I don't buy
your claim. I've been a tech for over 20 years
and I have never run across a system (even
hundreds of network systems that has never
experienced a virus, without running real time
protection.
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I have had *one* infection on *one* of my computers
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That you know of. That's all anyone can
honestly say.

--

Pastor Dave

"If you believe what you like in the Gospel,
and reject what you like - it is not the Gospel
you believe, but yourselves." - St. Augustine

http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html

http://tinyurl.com/ce97m
 
You'll probably find that lots of regulars here don't have real time
AV protection. You can add me to the list as well. I have a real
time AV package on my wifes computer but not on this one. I can say
with all certainty that there are no viruses on this machine. It isn't
rocket science to keep it clean.
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Then I would say that you are overstepping your bounds.
All anyone can honestly say is, "That I know of.".

I would have sworn mine was clean also. I just tried
another antivirus package and it found two viruses
that none of the others found and I don't do much
on the Net and I only have a few apps installed. I
have more apps that are designed to stop infection
these days, than I do anything else?

If you don't want to run one, then don't. It's your
machine, not mine. I simply don't think it's a wise
move. Especially given what surfing the web alone
can do to a machine.

--

Pastor Dave

"If you believe what you like in the Gospel,
and reject what you like - it is not the Gospel
you believe, but yourselves." - St. Augustine

http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html

http://tinyurl.com/ce97m
 
I wonder if his "flock" knows....
(I may remove him from my killfile just to torment him)
-max
 
Then I would say that you are overstepping your bounds.
All anyone can honestly say is, "That I know of.".
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I would say that for someone with "20 years experience"
you haven't learned shit.
I would have sworn mine was clean also. I just tried
another antivirus package and it found two viruses
that none of the others found and I don't do much
on the Net and I only have a few apps installed. I
have more apps that are designed to stop infection
these days, than I do anything else?
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You are a bigger fool then I thought.
If you don't want to run one, then don't. It's your
machine, not mine. I simply don't think it's a wise
move. Especially given what surfing the web alone
can do to a machine.
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In your case,just give your machine away.
-max
 
That's why one should run antivirus software.
Because that's what people do on computers.
They execute code.



Really? That's interesting, since an antivirus
scanner cannot scan, as an example, every
file that will be installed before installation
proceeds, with every app out there, given
the way that they are distributed. And
sometimes just the act of decompression
of a package can cause a virus to execute.
But then it's too late. More than once, a
virus scanner has given a clean bill of health,
only to alert to a virus during an installation,
if one is running a real time scanner.

I've been a tech for over 20 years and I know
whereof I speak.

And while the nutcase that likes to attack me
and claim I don't know what I'm doing and
needed help with something basic, let it be
noted, that he is a liar.
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Your not talking about me are you "pastor"?
The problem I brought up was in no way basic
and I had tried many things before posting
and I had put my problem up on some of the
better known sites for this kind of thing. Not
one response. No one knew what it was
and Google and Yahoo gave zero hits on
the file name. Not only that, but after I
blocked it from entering the registry, it would
find a new way to load and not leave one entry
in the registry.

No one was able to even offer a suggestion
and that idiot blasted me for pointing out
a web site that showed some of what I had
already done as well as my list of other
things that I had tried, when he asked me
what I had tried.

But hey, if that's how people want to judge
my competency, then have at it.
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Many folks gave you good advice that you either were too stupid to
fathom or too ignorant to employ.
-max
 
It's obvious the Pastor is hopelessly addicted to porn, warez and P2P.
His kind never learn.
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Of course, now it's time to attack me,
because of course, you couldn't be
wrong about anything.

It is no surprise when those who love
Satan attack.

--

Pastor Dave

"If you believe what you like in the Gospel,
and reject what you like - it is not the Gospel
you believe, but yourselves." - St. Augustine

http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html

http://tinyurl.com/ce97m
 
And now the stupidity continues from
the God haters.
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Here is something for you-does it speak to you?

Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with
what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Mat 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye,
but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Mat 7:4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote
out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
Mat 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye;
and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy
brother's eye.

-max
 
What's in a Name? said:
I wonder if his "flock" knows....
(I may remove him from my killfile just to torment him)
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He and Sooge are still in mine.....makes life ever so much better!! Who
needs two self-proclaimed christians (small 'c') who don't practice what
they preach!!

Cheers....Heather
 
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