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UCLAN said:
Yup. But hardly "token" as you suggest.

Depends on their input really.
I thought that everybody down there spent their days out in the
Hauraki Gulf honing their skills. So much so, the sheep got jealous.

No?
No.


Silly me. I just supposed that one gets "most" of it's money from
its largest sponsor. No? First rationalization, then denial, now
semantics. What's next? <g>

Silly you indeed.

Let's speculate, I'll outline a theoretical situation for your edification:

Let's say that there are 17 sponsors. (In fact there are probably far more.
I picked up a brochure in my local branch of an electronics chain-store
yesterday and, on page one, it says, in a large font, "Proudly sponsoring
Emirates Team New Zealand". I had no idea that they were a sponsor and I
shop there so often I have a "VIP" card and get a discount).

Emirates is obviously the major sponsor, to have naming rights. Let's say
that they provide 25% of the funding for the team. There are three other
major sponsors, Toyota, who get their logo on the boom and their name on the
hull, Estrella Dramm, who also get space on the boom and hull, and finally
Tourism NZ/NZ Trade and Enterprise who get secondary naming rights. Let's
say, for argument's sake that Toyota and Estrella Damm both put in 15% (They
are listed by TNZ as "elite sponsors") and the TNZ/NZT&E organisations put
in a further 15%. There's 70%

Now, it's well-known in NZ that the government. or more correctly the
taxpayer (we have a "Minister of the America's Cup", Trevor Mallard) has
also put money into the campaign. Shall we say 10%? Now we're up to 80%. On
the Emirates Team New Zealand web site (http://www.emiratesteamnz.com/) they
name a further 13 companies as "contributers". (My electronics store isn't
one of those). Shall we say 1% each for the 13? Now we're at 93%. I guess
the electronics store and several other business' that I've seen proclaiming
themselves as supporting the AC team make up the other 7%, along with the
many donations by wealthy individuals and the very active supporters club
who have had lots of fund-raising activities, celebrity auctions and the
like. There, 100%.

Obviously all of the above is merely educated speculation as they don't make
this stuff public. However, I'd say that, generally speaking, it's close to
the truth.

So you see, your supposition that "one gets most of it's money from it's
largest sponsor" is in fact wrong. In the theoretical scenario above it in
fact only gets one quarter, 25% of it's money from it's largest sponsor. Not
"most" by a long shot. Most is > 50%. I'll bet you my left testicle that
Emirates doesn't provide more than 50% of the funding for ETNZ. (Actually,
make that my right testicle, it slightly smaller and has a mildly perturbing
lump on it's surface).

Got it yet?
Ah, guess not.


That advice? The pre-start advice? Yeah. But there are still four
legs of racing to deal with.

Yeah but, historically, around 95% of the races are won by the team which
leads at the first mark.
Ah, boat design. Very important. But that is the realm of the computer
geeks and designers, not the real sailors, no?

Indeed. It also has to be built in the country that the boat represents.
(Lots of lost income there from the days when a lot of syndicates bought
NZ-designed and made boats). It could be argued that the boat is one of the
few things that is actually representative of the country it races for.
Computer geeks and designers, it's still talent. ETNZ is acknowledged to be
able to sail higher and faster upwind, especially in light winds, than any
other boat in the LV cup. Do you dismiss this as it's nothing to do with
"real sailors"?
Once the boat is in the
water, it is the job of the navigator to chart the best course to the
mark based upon the boat's capabilities, no? A the trimmers? Didn't
you call them "mules" later in your post?

Yes, and that was a brain-fart/typo. When read in context most readers would
have realised that I meant to write grinders, not trimmers.
I wrote trimmers/grinders. They work in tandem. The grinders provide
the horsepower. The trimmers provide the critical eye. One cannot
exist without the other.

For sure. However, it's not the grinders who make the decisions, they just
turn the handles when told.
His association with BMW goes back to his auto racing days. And last
AC Cup (in NZ), his "Oracle BMW Racing" yacht (note the reversal of
order) lost in the LV Cup final to Alinghi. So BMW has long been
associated with Ellison, not just "for this campaign" as you state.

Correct. I didn't realise that you were going to nit-pick or I would have
been more accurate and said "first-name sponsor". It would seem that Larry
had to squeeze BMW for more money this time around to inject into the NZ
economy. All those highly-paid Kiwis are most likely going to bring it home
when they're done raking it in.
Really. Get those American navigators and tacticians off the NZ boat.
;)

Heh! Yeah, just as soon as the other syndicates are forced to let us have
our NZ guys back. Take Alighi. Murray Jones, Alinghi's strategist, Brad
Butterworth, their tactician and Mike Drummond, the navigator. All NZers.
Personally. I'd swap any of them for the Americans on ETNZ in a heartbeat.

I didn't look into the other syndicate's crews as my internet connection is
slow today and they all seem to have bandwidth-intensive sites but I think
you get the picture.
Nah, a San Diegan. Taught Dennis all he knows.

Ok. I wondered what was behind your backing of anyone who sails against
ETNZ. There is a (mostly) good-natured trans-Tasman rivalry between Aussies
and NZers that would have explained it. Otherwise I'm at a loss to explain
the anti-NZ sentiment you exhibit.
I just enjoyed the 12-
meter class, and racing with the Freemantle "Doctor", that's all.

Oh yeah.
That's the bottom line. Good, exciting, match racing.

I wish. Sadly, the bottom line is money. If we can get to witness some good
matchracing along the way well then that's great.

Cheers,
 
~misfit~ said:
Depends on their input really.

And add to that the two *other* Italian teams entered, with 38 of their
58 roster spots occupied by Italians. That's 54 Italian sailors in the
AC just on Italian boats! Momma Mia!

Hmmm...ESPN gave that impression during their AC coverage down there.
Silly you indeed.

Let's speculate, I'll outline a theoretical situation for your edification:

[Long, needless math lesson snipped]
Got it yet?

Oh, I "got it" long ago. I should have used the word "major" instead
of "majority." Semantics. Emirates Airlines gives the New Zealand team
the lion's share of its operating budget.
Yeah but, historically, around 95% of the races are won by the team which
leads at the first mark.

Methinks you made up that 95% figure. Back in the days that AC races
were longer than just four short legs, trailing at the first mark was
no big thing. The present format has taken a lot of excitement out of
the races.

That being said, Oracle trailed at the first mark in many of its RR1
and RR2 victories, and in its only semi-final victory (it trailed at
all three roundings, as a matter of fact.)

BTW...Luna Rossa's crew had only TWO Kiwis in the semi-finals -
a grinder and a bowman.
Indeed. It also has to be built in the country that the boat represents.
(Lots of lost income there from the days when a lot of syndicates bought
NZ-designed and made boats). It could be argued that the boat is one of the
few things that is actually representative of the country it races for.
Computer geeks and designers, it's still talent. ETNZ is acknowledged to be
able to sail higher and faster upwind, especially in light winds, than any
other boat in the LV cup. Do you dismiss this as it's nothing to do with
"real sailors"?

No, just another major aspect of the other entries that is NOT a result
of Kiwis being on the crew. If Alinghi beats Team Emirates, is it
because of the Kiwi grinders on board Alinghi, or the Swiss hired Dutch
boat designer? I vote for the latter.
Heh! Yeah, just as soon as the other syndicates are forced to let us have
our NZ guys back. Take Alighi. Murray Jones, Alinghi's strategist, Brad
Butterworth, their tactician and Mike Drummond, the navigator. All NZers.
Personally. I'd swap any of them for the Americans on ETNZ in a heartbeat.

I didn't look into the other syndicate's crews as my internet connection is
slow today and they all seem to have bandwidth-intensive sites but I think
you get the picture.

I get the picture, alright. The Kiwi boat got US and Australian
experience in their afterguard, so the Kiwi talent went elsewhere.
Ok. I wondered what was behind your backing of anyone who sails against
ETNZ.

My backing of any opponent to Team Emirates is purely because I did not
enjoy the AC in Auckland, and don't want the AC to return there. If
there were a Australian team (specifically out of Freemantle) I would
probably hope they would win. At least a Alinghi victory would leave
the next AC location open to bidders, again. [We obviously can't have
the AC in Switzerland.]
There is a (mostly) good-natured trans-Tasman rivalry between Aussies
and NZers that would have explained it. Otherwise I'm at a loss to explain
the anti-NZ sentiment you exhibit.

Not anti-NZ. Just anti Hauraki Gulf. But Chris Dickson rubbed me the
wrong way when he sold himself to the Japanese in 1991. That started
the current epidemic of "sailors for hire" in the AC.

Karma is a funny thing, no?
 
Haymish said:
Hi

I have just rebuilt my PC and re-installed all the software.

Now every time I boot up I get an explorer folder window open up. The window
is of the ATI catalyst installation folder. I close the window every time
but it comes back every time I reboot. Any ideas?

Pete
have you tried running msconfig to see if it is in the start menu and
can be unchecked?
 
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