S
Steve H
LOL
LOL
A
Alan
Heck, that wasn't even meant to be funny.
S
Susan Bugher
John said:
Just for the record:
In repy to an email from John I said:
IMO it would make sense to have one version of the FAQ on the
Pricelessware site rather than two FAQs elsewhere - BUT - that would no
doubt require a *very* prolonged discussion in the newsgroup. . . . I
have no plans to suggest that as a course of action.
Susan
B
Blinky the Shark
Steve said:
Kinda funny, yeah. On the other hand, that's the kind of ultimate situation
some people are pushing for, in here, too.
J
John Corliss
Susan said:
Susan,
And I said that I would suggest such a discussion.
Done.
Now, as far as the F.A.Q., I'm no longer a part of it.
R
REMbranded
The really funny thing is there are two messages in alt.comp.adware,
both spam.
The fact a group exists means very little. Many groups are defunct.
The ultimate situation is to find the right tool when the RARE
situation arises in which no pure freeware can be found. It is not to
advance adware or spyware.
B
Blinky the Shark
And what happens, and will happen much more frequently as the
conventions of this group further dissolve: people who aren't serious
about freeware, and who thus don't know much of it and won't bother
looking for any see "I need x" and knee-jerk a
shareware/adware/spyware/demoware/othercrapware "solution".
It's one thing if SOS says, "that doesn't exist". It's another when Mr.
I've Been Here Two Days or Mr. You Can't Stop ME! says, "duh i dunno so
go buy norton lol **** the netcops".
If you make wooden nickels legal tender, that's what people are going
to offer.
There's simply no way that relaxing the standards is *not* going to make
this a crapful newsgroup.
R
REMbranded
We cannot control what new people post. However, as you know, we can
simply reply, delete the message, and add ": COMMERCIAL" to the
header. This is as little as is required to alert others that the
original is a waste of time to read.
I've heard this every since I've been here Blinky. As I said in
another post the PSP CD-ware post was somewhere in the 1400 post
neighborhood, "fighting the good fight." It totally destroyed the
usability of the group over a week or so. If unmolested, there might
have been a few "Thanks!" posted to the OP and that would have been
the end of it.
Afterwards, you and others withdrew and the group ran on auto-pilot
for a few weeks. This period was the BEST I've ever seen the group.
The message load was light, but almost all freeware related.
"crapful newsgroup" came not from the mention of a free commercial
program on a CD. It came from attempts to stop it, which was pretty
comical when we look back on it now.
Instead of saying, "You can't say that here," after it has been said,
try simply flagging the subject appropiately and those who agree will
skip over the thread, hopefully. Although, I think the PSP post was
flagged appropiately if I recall correctly. At that particular point
you guys had a real jihad going though and everyone lost in the
process.
Review the thread. If you can grimmace and sit through the 1400
cantankerous posts... the next few unmoderated weeks of posts will be
extremely refreshing!
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Unrelated, but I've been wondering... is Linux, et.al. freeware
tainted with ads, spyware, etc.? Or is this a Win32 thing?
I will be surprised if it is, but I have no idea.
G
Genna Reeney
Susan said:
I'm not sure it should be the purpose of the PL site to serve as a
repository for all of acf's business. I don't see a problem with having the
FAQ at John F's site. In fact, it simplifies matters to have only one
version anyway, so unless John C. wants to bring his back online, why not
go on as we are.
I used to make a post every 3/4 days with links to PL and FAQs. Maybe
someone can take that over and post it on a weekly basis, just so that
newcomers know where to go to look? And if this is being done already and I
missed it somehow, then my apologies.
V
Vic Dura
Good points!!
B
Blinky the Shark
No. Yes.
S
Susan Bugher
Genna said:
I agree.
The 2004 Pricelessware review is about to begin. Let's conserve our
strength for that.
I added [FAQ] to the subject line of this post as a filter. IMO it would
be a courtesy to those who are not interested in the FAQ threads if
others did likewise.
Done.
Susan
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PL2003: http://www.pricelessware.org/2003/about2003PL.htm
PL2004 Review: http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/2004nominationsPL.php
alt.comp.freeware FAQ (short) - maintained by John F.
http://clients.net2000.com.au/~johnf/faq.html
R
Ravi
Genna wrote:
GR> I used to make a post every 3/4 days with links to PL and FAQs. Maybe
GR> someone can take that over and post it on a weekly basis, just so that
GR> newcomers know where to go to look? And if this is being done already and I
GR> missed it somehow, then my apologies.
If no one else would like to do it - I can.
If someone already has an up to date message - just send it
on, and I'll ensure that it's posted once a week. (In
exactly the same format so that it can be killfiled by the
regulars.)
GR> I used to make a post every 3/4 days with links to PL and FAQs. Maybe
GR> someone can take that over and post it on a weekly basis, just so that
GR> newcomers know where to go to look? And if this is being done already and I
GR> missed it somehow, then my apologies.
If no one else would like to do it - I can.
If someone already has an up to date message - just send it
on, and I'll ensure that it's posted once a week. (In
exactly the same format so that it can be killfiled by the
regulars.)
A
Andy Mabbett
In message
He already did; it's available as a downloadable, zipped, file.
Genna said:
He already did; it's available as a downloadable, zipped, file.
S
Susan Bugher
Ravi said:
Sounds like a plan to me - thank you.
suggested message:
Pricelessware: The best of the best in Windows © Freeware,
as determined by the readers of alt.comp.freeware
http:www.pricelessware.org
2003 Pricelessware List:
http://www.pricelessware.org/2003/about2003PL.htm
2004 Pricelessware List - Nominations and Review:
http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/2004nominationsPL.php
alt.comp.freeware FAQ (short) - maintained by John F.
http://clients.net2000.com.au/~johnf/faq.html
Revise as you see fit.
Susan
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Pricelessware: http:www.pricelessware.org
PL2003: http://www.pricelessware.org/2003/about2003PL.htm
PL2004 Review: http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/2004nominationsPL.php
alt.comp.freeware FAQ (short) - maintained by John F.
http://clients.net2000.com.au/~johnf/faq.html
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That was because people stopped recommending the $$$magazineware.
I'm not saying the giganto-thread was a good thing, but IMO you blame
it on the wrong people and misidentify the cause of the subsequent
improvement in the group.
That was because people stopped recommending the $$$magazineware.
I'm not saying the giganto-thread was a good thing, but IMO you blame
it on the wrong people and misidentify the cause of the subsequent
improvement in the group.
B
Blinky the Shark
»Q« said:
Rather like the people who blame the stalkees rather than the obsessed
stalkers.
R
REMbranded
There was the single mention. After the gang tackle began the OP saw
the futility of it all and resigned. Then others posted that the
tackle was wrong and 1400 messages later... we're back here.
The OP and few people who appreciated the post are very few in number
who left the thread early and are not responsible for the multi-thread
responses. The way people such as the OP were "handled" back then was
by "gang tackle" (google it).
The plan is faulty. There can be no victory in bypassing logical
arguments and applying sheer tonnage of replies. In this case everyone
loses and at best a draw occurs. Mutually assured destruction was the
plan of the times.
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In the ensuing time, both within the giganto-thread and in new threads
that were started, quite a few mentions and recommendations of
$$$magazineware were made.
R
REMbranded
I'm going to have to go back and refresh I guess. Heck, I'm almost as
old as Blinky used to be <G>.
As I recall, the discussions were about the freedom of speech in an
unmoderated group. There were mentions. I myself was interested in
hearing what commercial programs might be available for the price of a
magazine. Rather than split hairs (please), it was simply
free-enough-for-me-ware. I had a genuine interest in the reading the
thread though.
In a nutshell the logic returned to the mass attack:
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The basics: (the generic "you")
You have complete control of what you read.
You have complete control in what you post.
That is the end of your complete control. Now you are venturing into
someone elses areas of complete control. You are a visitor here.
Don't complain because you don't like what you're reading <G>. Don't
read it!
Be responsible for what you write. That is, do not attempt to infringe
on someone elses 2 areas of complete control. Be civil. Be tolerant.
Accept the fact this is an unmoderated newsgroup.
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The responses offered totally deflected any of the above. The sky
will fall, repeated in hundreds and hundreds of messages attempting to
harrass and intimidate was the result.
I just came in. The sky is still there and I feel that it is pretty
stable <G>.
MAD was not the answer. It was the directly "the" problem.
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