ANN:Try a free issue of Well Formed for VB engineers

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Bob Powell [MVP]

I'm sorry but if you are an MVP you would at least know not to advertise in
the newsgroups. This is not the place to do it. Please find another location
to advertise, and cancel this post because this is not accecptable.
 
I completely agree with you Brian. I complained the other day, but got mixed
reaction. One of his supporters defended it and someone else agreed with me
in the end. The poster himself, does not see anything wrong in what he is
doing.

Can you imagine what it would be like in here if everyone decided to try and
tout their wares in the newsgroup

Regards - OHM#


Brian said:
I'm sorry but if you are an MVP you would at least know not to
advertise in the newsgroups. This is not the place to do it. Please
find another location to advertise, and cancel this post because this
is not accecptable.
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Regards - OHM# (e-mail address removed)
 
OHM,

I agreed with you in my very first message about this, not at the end.
Read it over please?

Cor
 
You all need to stop responding to junk mail, because some mail servers
filter this crap out, and then when you reply to it, it defeats the purpose
of having a filter.
 
erm, yes you did, but It doesent matter anyway as I cant find it and its
really not important enough to argue about.

OHM
OHM,

I agreed with you in my very first message about this, not at the end.
Read it over please?

Cor
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Regards - OHM# (e-mail address removed)
 
Here is is

Hi OHM,

You are not wrong doing this in my opinion.

You have the full right to it and I agree with you I said.



Cor

Then using your logic Cor, It is then as valid for Bob to do and say what he
wants as it is for me to have an opinion on what it is Bob does and says
without anybody telling me I'm wrong for it. Dont you think this is rather
limiting ?
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I still cant help thinking it is no less spam than and other advert we see
OHM,

I agreed with you in my very first message about this, not at the end.
Read it over please?

Cor
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Regards - OHM# (e-mail address removed)
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Hi,

Newsgroups don't really have much to do with "junk mail" being that NNTP
servers are not mail servers, and the offending poster has been instead of
giving help for free like the group is designed for, offering to help for a
cost to virtually ever post they have replied to, which kind of defeats the
purpous of the newsgroup.
 
It also kinda defeats the purpose of being an MVP does it not?

Brian Henry said:
Hi,

Newsgroups don't really have much to do with "junk mail" being that NNTP
servers are not mail servers, and the offending poster has been instead of
giving help for free like the group is designed for, offering to help for a
cost to virtually ever post they have replied to, which kind of defeats the
purpous of the newsgroup.


Jeremy Cowles said:
You all need to stop responding to junk mail, because some mail servers
filter this crap out, and then when you reply to it, it defeats the purpose
of having a filter.



"One Handed Man [ OHM# ]"
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wrote in message news:[email protected]... with
me try
and
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yes it does, that is what my original reply post to him was hinting at...


Lorne Smith said:
It also kinda defeats the purpose of being an MVP does it not?

Brian Henry said:
Hi,

Newsgroups don't really have much to do with "junk mail" being that NNTP
servers are not mail servers, and the offending poster has been instead of
giving help for free like the group is designed for, offering to help
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for
a
cost to virtually ever post they have replied to, which kind of defeats the
purpous of the newsgroup.


Jeremy Cowles said:
You all need to stop responding to junk mail, because some mail servers
filter this crap out, and then when you reply to it, it defeats the purpose
of having a filter.



"One Handed Man [ OHM# ]"
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wrote in message I completely agree with you Brian. I complained the other day, but got
mixed
reaction. One of his supporters defended it and someone else agreed with
me
in the end. The poster himself, does not see anything wrong in what
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he
is
doing.

Can you imagine what it would be like in here if everyone decided to try
and
tout their wares in the newsgroup

Regards - OHM#


Brian Henry wrote:
I'm sorry but if you are an MVP you would at least know not to
advertise in the newsgroups. This is not the place to do it. Please
find another location to advertise, and cancel this post because this
is not accecptable.


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to take the plunge with a subscription?

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Check out the contents...

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http://www.bobpowell.net/August2003.htm

Then click here to order your free copy

http://www.bobpowell.net/vb_offer.htm

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Regards - OHM# (e-mail address removed)
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I completely agree with you Brian. I complained the other day, but got mixed
reaction. One of his supporters defended it and someone else agreed with me
in the end. The poster himself, does not see anything wrong in what he is
doing.

Can you imagine what it would be like in here if everyone decided to try and
tout their wares in the newsgroup
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It looks like we have another chance to generate another silly thread.

There can hardly be a problem with somebody announcing a newsletter of
interest to members of a newsgroup... (particularly may I add) when the guy
puts "ANN:" into the subject line.

The "can you imagine" argument was something we used to use in the 10th
grade and it's a childish argument... what if everybody decided to drive
their car at the same time on the street in front of your house? Well first
it isn't going to happen and second we'll deal with it whenever that day
arrives.

On the other hand, can you imagine if "everybody" decided to post lame humor
in this group? Clearly we need to put a stop to such actions (wouldn't you
agree) on the off chance that "everybody" decides to do it?

The "problem" is not the anouncement (if it was how to get a free copy of
some utility you were thinking of buying I'll guess you wouldn't argue about
it) it is that everybody seems to think they should chime in about it. The
single message becomes an "issue" and dozens of messages follow.

This is revisted time and again in just about every newsgroup. For gosh
sakes, let it pass. :-)
 
Brian Henry said:
Hi,

Newsgroups don't really have much to do with "junk mail" being that NNTP
servers are not mail servers, and the offending poster has been instead of
giving help for free like the group is designed for, offering to help for a
cost to virtually ever post they have replied to, which kind of defeats the
purpous of the newsgroup.
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If you had bothered to look in a group outside this one, you would have noticed that he DOES offer
help for free nearly EVERY SINGLE TIME that someone asks a question. Just cause he doesnt use VB,
and therefore doesnt hang out in the VB Group, doesnt mean he doesnt offer free help.

He does offer to give LENGTHY or COMPLICATED complete code examples for a very very small fee.
These are the kinds of things that you see here where someone asks a complicated question, expects
code to be written for it, and gets a bunch of answers along the lines of "Go read a book" or
"Look it up on the internet, there are a lot of examples there" or "You dont really understand
what it is you are trying to do, come back when you are having a minor problem that i can spout
out an answer to in 5 seconds."

His newsletters are COMPLETE code for how to solve the issues contained in them. They are not
just little cut and paste code segments that everyone likes to post out here in the newsgroups,
but complete, and usually somewhat complicated code that has been REQUESTED.


Lighten up and read one, maybe you would understand the difference.
 
You sound very passionate when you talk about him !, he obviously impresses
you greatly.

Regards - OHM


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Rick said:
If you had bothered to look in a group outside this one, you would
have noticed that he DOES offer help for free nearly EVERY SINGLE
TIME that someone asks a question. Just cause he doesnt use VB, and
therefore doesnt hang out in the VB Group, doesnt mean he doesnt
offer free help.

He does offer to give LENGTHY or COMPLICATED complete code examples
for a very very small fee. These are the kinds of things that you see
here where someone asks a complicated question, expects code to be
written for it, and gets a bunch of answers along the lines of "Go
read a book" or "Look it up on the internet, there are a lot of
examples there" or "You dont really understand what it is you are
trying to do, come back when you are having a minor problem that i
can spout out an answer to in 5 seconds."

His newsletters are COMPLETE code for how to solve the issues
contained in them. They are not just little cut and paste code
segments that everyone likes to post out here in the newsgroups, but
complete, and usually somewhat complicated code that has been
REQUESTED.


Lighten up and read one, maybe you would understand the difference.
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Regards - OHM# (e-mail address removed)
 
You sound very passionate when you talk about him !, he obviously
impresses
you greatly.
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Right? All I heard was: *cluck cluck cluck, bucka-chicka-mick cluck ding*,
give me some money!

Oh yea, if he doesn't know anything about VB, then WTH is he spamming here?

*ding-buck-chicka-ding*

=)
 
One Handed Man said:
You sound very passionate when you talk about him !, he obviously impresses
you greatly.

Regards - OHM
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I just think he has very valuable information and deserves not to be lynched just because he wants
to charge a little bit for complicated code. I dont even know the guy personally, I have only
interacted with him via the MS newsgroups.
 
Rick Mogstad said:
I just think he has very valuable information and deserves not to be lynched just because he wants
to charge a little bit for complicated code. I dont even know the guy personally, I have only
interacted with him via the MS newsgroups.
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I think lynching is too weak a punishment, I think he should be drawn &
quartered... very slowly.
 
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:04:09 -0500, Brian Henry wrote:

and the offending poster has been instead of
giving help for free like the group is designed for, offering to help for a
cost to virtually ever post they have replied to, which kind of defeats the
purpous of the newsgroup.
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If you were to wander over to the drawing newsgroups, you would see that
Bob gives a tremendous amount of help for free. He also hosts a GDI+ FAQ
which has some fantastic articles -- alse FREE.

Before condemning someone for not giving free help, be sure you know what
you are talking about.

As for advertising on the newsgroup, I can see why it may be annoying but
I, personally, don't care one way or another if it helps me learn vb.net.

Cheers
 
Hmmm..







Rick said:
"One Handed Man [ OHM# ]"
You sound very passionate when you talk about him !, he obviously
impresses you greatly.

Regards - OHM
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I just think he has very valuable information and deserves not to be
lynched just because he wants to charge a little bit for complicated
code. I dont even know the guy personally, I have only interacted
with him via the MS newsgroups.
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Regards - OHM# (e-mail address removed)
 
You too !

;-)


Chris said:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:04:09 -0500, Brian Henry wrote:

and the offending poster has been instead of

If you were to wander over to the drawing newsgroups, you would see
that Bob gives a tremendous amount of help for free. He also hosts a
GDI+ FAQ which has some fantastic articles -- alse FREE.

Before condemning someone for not giving free help, be sure you know
what you are talking about.

As for advertising on the newsgroup, I can see why it may be annoying
but I, personally, don't care one way or another if it helps me learn
vb.net.

Cheers
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Regards - OHM# (e-mail address removed)
 
OHM,

I checked it out on the newsgroup page from Microsoft.

I think Bob is not that wrong accoording to those rules.
It is an announcement that can benefit this newsgroup.

You are free to do what you want of course as much as Bob and what you are
doing now is also in the benefit of the newsgroup.

Cor
 
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