All-in-Wonder(if it will ever work again)Radeon

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Adysthemic

Group,
ATI has got to be the fussiest,flakiest video card I've ever dealt with.If
it weren't the only thing I could use at the moment
I'd surely throw it out the window.I purchased the "upgrade"
to MMC 8.5.Really big mistake.7.* worked somewhat ok before I tried to
"upgrade",for possibly
only a slight potential improvement in audio rip choices,and I hoped,less
dropped frames.After following the instructions to the letter,none of the
MMC programs work at all now.I've spent over eight hours
uninstalling/re-installing, to no avail.Now even going back to the old
drivers and MMC 7,it still fails to function.I had to rename the ATI
Multimedia folder to even get the GD thing to uninstall.Not to mention the
damn silly refresh thing that all ATI cards suffer from.I tried to reset it
like ALL other video cards but noooo,you have to remember some idiotic
different way to do it with ATI.It was simpler to remember to just get that
Russian util,sheesh.Any tips
to get this thing going would be appreciated.Running WinXP pro SP1,Athlon
1.8.Perhaps I'm missing something simple.
I'd like to "move up".At this point cost is no object.I'd like a
TV/ Capture card with well developed drivers,at least some support,(not
unanswered emals).Support to me means less than 3days for an answer.Been all
over usenet trying everything I've read,to no avail.Adysthemic
 
VIA chip set?
What bios settings?
Forget MMC for now if you don't load the MMCsoftware can you do lets say...do video editing from another program?
CAn you play games?
basically are the drivers working?
 
JAD said:
VIA chip set?
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Yes.A problem with that?Old (oem first install) Video Drivers
and MMC-7-7-0-1-noDVD MMC worked
What bios settings?
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Default.Never changed anything.Worked before the "upgrade"
Forget MMC for now if you don't load the MMCsoftware can you do lets
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say...do video editing from another program?
No not now.Could before.
CAn you play games?
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Don't know,I never play games.Why would I do that?
basically are the drivers working?
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Working in what way?After fooling around,I have my 1280x1024 @ 85mhz refresh
back.No other ATI function works.At Catalyst 3.7?? the control panel screen
"fickered" when opening so I went back to the older driver,off the original
CD.
 
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Yes.A problem with that?Old (oem first install) Video Drivers
and MMC-7-7-0-1-noDVD MMC worked
Default.Never changed anything.Worked before the "upgrade"
say...do video editing from another program?
No not now.Could before.
Don't know,I never play games.Why would I do that?
Working in what way?After fooling around,I have my 1280x1024 @ 85mhz
refresh back.No other ATI function works.At Catalyst 3.7?? the
control panel screen "fickered" when opening so I went back to the
older driver,off the original CD.
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That 'flicker' is normal.

 
VIA chip set?
Yes.A problem with that?Old (oem first install) Video Drivers
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No 4in1 updates or AGP patch?
Don't know,I never play games.Why would I do that?
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Look dude do you always ask for help and then cop an attitude for no reason?

It was simply a reference point to go from
 
JAD said:
VIA chip set?

No 4in1 updates or AGP patch?
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Not since installing the motherboard,and d/l ing the latest at that time.
Look dude do you always ask for help and then cop an attitude for no
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reason?
Sorry no offense meant,I'm just pissed that I spent time buying
this stupid "upgrade",even though I've had problems before with ATI
"upgrades",and knew better that to think it would work.The problems seem not
ot be with the video driver per se,but with the MMC,and possibly I'm
finding, with further research, the DX 9b.
The only game I've ever played is ms flightsim,and dx ball.Just don't see
the appeal of games.
It was simply a reference point to go from
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Don't have any installed,didn't mean to be rude,Adysthemic
 
No 4in1 updates or AGP patch?
Not since installing the motherboard,and d/l ing the latest at that time.
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Time to go to the VIA site not that this is the perfect fix but at least a starting point
 
Strontium said:
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That 'flicker' is normal.
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Normal?No other card I've seen does this.It did not do it with older
drivers.This "normal" seems to be like the almost new truck I just got rid
of.The dealer told me burning a full quart of oil in 900 miles was "normal"
with 18,000 miles on it.Needless to say, the one I have now goes about 3.5
thousand on a quart.That seems normal :>)Adysthemic
 
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Normal?No other card I've seen does this.It did not do it with older
drivers.This "normal" seems to be like the almost new truck I just
got rid of.The dealer told me burning a full quart of oil in 900
miles was "normal" with 18,000 miles on it.Needless to say, the one I
have now goes about 3.5 thousand on a quart.That seems normal
:>)Adysthemic
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Well, I've seen it on every GF2 and greater. I've also see it, with my
9700np. So, I'd like to venture into your part of the galaxy where it does
not exist... However, you are close, on your reference to older drivers. I
never saw the 'flicker' until later versions of nVidia's drivers circa mid
2002. YMMV.


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Strontium

"It's no surprise, to me. I am my own worst enemy. `Cause every
now, and then, I kick the livin' shit `outta me." - Lit
 
JAD,
Those 4-in1's may be the fix for MMC 8.5,but why cannot I just re-install
the old 7 MMC and old drivers,and go back to the way it was.Nothing else has
changed,save for the changes made by ATI "upgraded" drivers.I even went line
by line thru the registry deleting all ref to ATI,then re-installing the old
stuff
to no avail.IMO any well written software will easily let you un-install
it.This is not true with ATI.Now not only can't I get it
to work with the new stuff, I cannot even go back.Should have taken an image
with ghost I guess,since ms sys restore did not
restore enough to make the old drivers function again.Ya just shouldn't have
to go through this kind of hassle with any commercial software.Hell even
ciggies have a warning.,heh.
The Software General Recommends: If you have ATI software even marginally
fuctioning,do not upgrade unless you are willing to restore a Ghosted
imaged,or your whole OS, to get even the old install working again as the
upgrade will in all likelyhood fail.;>P,heh.Adythemic

P.S if money were no object,is there anything out there any better,IYO.I
would like PVR,TV,capture to DVD(mpeg2)
no 2% dropped frames most of the time.Huappage(sp)Siemens,..have you seen
anything out there,I just started looking,between endless reboots of this
desktop,tnx
 
Strontium said:
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Adysthemic stood up at show-n-tell, in (e-mail address removed),
and said:


Well, I've seen it on every GF2 and greater. I've also see it, with my
9700np. So, I'd like to venture into your part of the galaxy where it does
not exist... However, you are close, on your reference to older drivers. I
never saw the 'flicker' until later versions of nVidia's drivers circa mid
2002. YMMV.
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Strontium,
Yeah I'll have to admit,since I'm not a gamer,that I've only dealt with
business graphics cards.I seem to have always had the least hassle with
Matrox stuff in that realm.We are now entering the image capturing arena at
work,so I was fooling
around with that at home first.I'd guess the "cutting" edge of gaming is the
most important thing to these companies,rather
than reliability and stability.Since I will be using it in a medical
facility I need to rely on it not to fail if we need to upgrade.Granted,with
the old drivers it would function for whta I needed at work,but what if down
the road I have to upgrade 70 boxes?,I don't need this kind of hassle,more
so if I cannot even easily go back.I did not pick these cards in the first
place,however in a quick hour search I cannot readily find anything
potentially better.Between re-boots I will search it out though you can bet
on that,hehe,Adysthemic>
 
Strontium said:
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Adysthemic stood up at show-n-tell, in (e-mail address removed),
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That 'flicker' is normal.
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Maybe on a piece of shit card, but I've never seen it. Perhaps your computer
is not up to snuff? Come on by my shop and I'll build you a good one that it
not plagued by stupid little problems like yours is.
 
Pug Fugley2 said:
Maybe on a piece of shit card, but I've never seen it. Perhaps your computer
is not up to snuff? Come on by my shop and I'll build you a good one that it
not plagued by stupid little problems like yours is.
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Hi Pug Fugley2,
You sound quite knowlegeable.Since you own your own shop
I'm sure this would be just a small thing you could help me with,the ATI
thing will surely get solved by searching in due time,I'm just pissed that I
even have to waste time on it due to sloppy rushed to market drivers.Here is
something I' really like some help on,even though it is a little OT,if you
don't mind.I will pay whatever your fee is if you can make the suggestion
that solves this problem,short of a re-install.I am any honorable person and
Will pay,I give you my word.Here's what I've posted in a couple groups with
little response,at least
none that worked.....
Anon,
I manage a 70 pc lan running win2k server ,win2k Citrix
server.Clients are mostly win2k with 10 or so XPpro boxes.Main and Citrix
server are identical hardware wise
2gig ram, raid5,Xeons,Intel dual nics.Main server is perfect,no problems
well ,acutally, ever.Citrix server has periods from one hour to several days
intermittently,where any application takes up to 180 seconds to open.Once
open it functions somewhat normally.The program we use through Citrix,works
fine through ica client,the users are not aware of the slowdown.Accessing
the desktop directly on the Citrix server will show the same slow down.I've
tried disabling every single service and it has no effect,except for TCP/IP
Netbios helper.That cures the problem.So does unplugging the network cable
from the Citrix box.Neither solution obviously,is an acceptable "fix".Task
manager shows no undue processor use when opening progs.A packet sniffer
shows this server and the main server,even when no one else is logged on as
the "biggest talkers".I'm running DNS static IP,although someone told me to
have DHCP service enabled even if you are not using it.Do you suppose that
Netbios needs something it is not getting readily?Never used WINS or LM Host
file.Does this seem like a possible fix?Any ideas from a computergod out
there?This gets to me so much I'd even spend my own money to resolve
it,hehe.I called in a couple local network
gurus and they had no ideas that I had not already tried.
Helllppp!?,Adysthemic
 
Strontium said:
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Adysthemic stood up at show-n-tell, in (e-mail address removed),
and said:


Well, I've seen it on every GF2 and greater. I've also see it, with my
9700np. So, I'd like to venture into your part of the galaxy where it does
not exist... However, you are close, on your reference to older drivers. I
never saw the 'flicker' until later versions of nVidia's drivers circa mid
2002. YMMV.
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yeah, its normal. i agree with you.
 
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Adysthemic stood up at show-n-tell, in (e-mail address removed),
and said:

I've no need to visit 'lamerville'. Which, apparently, is where your shop
is located. You've, already, stated your position on PC games. That, in
itself, proves that you don't know jack-shit about building boxes. I feel
sorry, for anyone, that gets a box built by you. Give a jerk a motherboard
and some parts and he thinks he's a smart mother....hahahahaha dumbass.


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Adysthemic said:
that

Hi Pug Fugley2,
You sound quite knowlegeable.Since you own your own shop
I'm sure this would be just a small thing you could help me with,the ATI
thing will surely get solved by searching in due time,I'm just pissed that I
even have to waste time on it due to sloppy rushed to market drivers.Here is
something I' really like some help on,even though it is a little OT,if you
don't mind.I will pay whatever your fee is if you can make the suggestion
that solves this problem,short of a re-install.I am any honorable person and
Will pay,I give you my word.Here's what I've posted in a couple groups with
little response,at least
none that worked.....
Anon,
I manage a 70 pc lan running win2k server ,win2k Citrix
server.Clients are mostly win2k with 10 or so XPpro boxes.Main and Citrix
server are identical hardware wise
2gig ram, raid5,Xeons,Intel dual nics.Main server is perfect,no problems
well ,acutally, ever.Citrix server has periods from one hour to several days
intermittently,where any application takes up to 180 seconds to open.Once
open it functions somewhat normally.The program we use through Citrix,works
fine through ica client,the users are not aware of the slowdown.Accessing
the desktop directly on the Citrix server will show the same slow down.I've
tried disabling every single service and it has no effect,except for TCP/IP
Netbios helper.That cures the problem.So does unplugging the network cable
from the Citrix box.Neither solution obviously,is an acceptable "fix".Task
manager shows no undue processor use when opening progs.A packet sniffer
shows this server and the main server,even when no one else is logged on as
the "biggest talkers".I'm running DNS static IP,although someone told me to
have DHCP service enabled even if you are not using it.Do you suppose that
Netbios needs something it is not getting readily?Never used WINS or LM Host
file.Does this seem like a possible fix?Any ideas from a computergod out
there?This gets to me so much I'd even spend my own money to resolve
it,hehe.I called in a couple local network
gurus and they had no ideas that I had not already tried.
Helllppp!?,Adysthemic
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First thing I would do is run DHCP. Sounds like your server is chattering
and looking for something it shouldn't be looking for. Also, make sure your
firewall is blocking all incoming traffic.
 
Pug Fugley2 said:
that drivers.Here


First thing I would do is run DHCP. Sounds like your server is chattering
and looking for something it shouldn't be looking for. Also, make sure your
firewall is blocking all incoming traffic.
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What do you mean "run" dhcp.Turning it on or off has no effect.I have since
set up a wins server and lm hosts file.The firewall is a unix kernal ip
chains nat that I made.That is not part of the problem though,as I can hook
the citrix server directly to the 3com switch with nothing else plugged into
it,
and it still exhibits the problem until unplugging from the switch or
disabling netbios/tcpip helper,which of course I cannot do as that would
inhibit seeing UNC paths .win2k domain needs
NBTCPIPH to authenticate security.This demonstrates it is something
happening in the local machine.I swapped out a 3com dual nic for an intel,no
change.I cannot spot anything
with a packet sniffer capture that differs enough when it's doing it from
when it is not.Looking at task mgr shows identical doingit/not doingit.I
even bought this really comprehensive "task" prog called Spotlight,and it
shows nothing I can see.I even reinstalled Citrix,a tedious and annoying
process(about like ATI ;>))to no avail.Guess I'll have to open a ticket with
MS,but they will just blame it on Citrix,who'll blame it on ....you
know,heck I'd spend 500 of my own money just to see it gone,Adythemic
 
Adysthemic said:
What do you mean "run" dhcp.Turning it on or off has no effect.
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Well running a DHCP server is far more than just clicking a checkbox. You
need to setup IP scopes and configure all the workstations first.
 
even though you go back to the original 7x the first Radeon ATI drivers :sparked: as it were, the VIA updates, at least brought
attention to some problems. data transfer was also affected through some older versions of the bus master IDE drivers.

About your problem with the LAN....do you run Office suites and do you allow indexing (find fast and the like) to run over the
server? or even some Adobe imaging indexers?
 
Fw doing filtering of Tcp/IP stacks? i'm thinking security issue, because of the Netbios helper involvement. possible log in
conflict? When the applications fail to load, is the machine already logged on or just logging on for the first time?
 
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