Actual problems

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Sure, but they are supposed to disappear as soon as you move off the button.
I don't think I want them to persist. I might want to click something
hidden behind one on the desktop.
 
That's a good point. I'll just have to keep practicing clicking the task
bar instead of the thumbnail. :)

Dale
 
I miss that Up button and the Copy To and Move To buttons. I traverse
folders all day long and have liked to have buttons so I can just zip
around. I miss them .. but I do really like the new bread crumb bar as it is
called. A rather good compensation I think, more than that. Some of these
changes are just a matter of getting used to. Once one gets doing it the new
way one adjusts and speeds up.

Saucy
 
Can't print to a printer hanging off an XP Home PC... at least -I- can't.
Get Access is denied error.

Lang
 
Lang,

control panel>printer>add>add local
use existing>pick your driver>install
right click printer>properties >ports>add port>local port>new port
name it
\\network pc name\printer

Jeff
 
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Richard Urban said:
In case you hadn't noticed, aside from the constant bickering, there are
damn few actual problems and questions posted in the Vista newsgroups.

This is amazing, seeing as how well over 5 million technically savvy,
early adopters have downloaded and installed the operating system. These
are people with the intelligence (for the most part) to find these
newsgroups should they have any problems.

This indicates to me the following:

1. The operating system is actually quite stable and secure
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More or less, but there are still some things that need to be fixed.
2. The operating must be a lot more intuitive that many people are
claiming
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Not especially. If the general populace doesn't know you can do this or that
in the OS, they won't complain about their lack of knowledge.
3. It must be installed and running on a huge amount of different
hardware
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Yup, quite sure of that!
4. People are largely pleased with the operating system
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I don't think we should make a snap judgment such as this, without waiting
for the influx of brand new users on January 30. Remember that most people
here are quite savvy, have downloaded the beta and have used it for awhile.
5. 32 bit drivers may not be the problem everyone thought they would be
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Oh, believe me, they are! They Are! I have a brand new Color LaserJet 2605dn
with automatic duplexer that will not work in Vista. HP says drivers will be
available January 30. The printer will print fine, but I cannot get a double
sided copy out of it as long as it's hooked to Vista. I have other hardware
that's not working right as well.
6. The majority of legacy software is running just fine
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NOT! I have several programs that are fairly new (most are less than a year
old) that will not run on Vista.
7. The majority of people are pleased with what they are experiencing
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For the moment, yes, since most of us have experienced the beta, both
private and public, and know enough to realize we'll just have to wait for
the drivers.
Sorry to burst your bubble Microfox and Chad Harris.
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Does that mean I won't use Vista? Heck no! I have it on Lappy for the
moment, because I had to put XP back on my production machine. I will take
Lappy with me so I can use Vista while we're on our Christmas trip. Once
Vista is released to consumers, and drivers are finally here, I'll ante up
my few extra bucks to buy a second copy of Vista to put on this desktop.
After all, I've used Vista since July 2005, and pretty well know what to
expect.

Bottom line is that most of us here know the shortcomings so far, but have
seen Vista get better and better. Vista still has warts, but one by one,
we'll get them removed.
 
Dale said:
You want complaints? I got complaints!

Why doesn't the thumbnail that comes up from the taskbar stay up and let
you click it? That's the natural response when you choose from a popup:
put the mouse on it and click. And where's the UP button in Explorer?

Hmmmm.. If those are the biggest issues I have, then you must be right.
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Geez, I never even had a thought of trying to click on that neat little
fly-out. I miss it in XP, even.
 
My driver's not listed... assume there is an XP driver, but it was built
into XP, I never had to provide media. It's a fairly old printer; a NEC
SuperScript 1260 (laser).

Thanks,

Lang
 
Lang Murphy said:
My driver's not listed... assume there is an XP driver, but it was built
into XP, I never had to provide media. It's a fairly old printer; a NEC
SuperScript 1260 (laser).

Thanks,

Lang
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Bummer Lang,
gave it a shot
but hey; if there's a NEC driver listed at all, why not try it, no damage
done;seein as it doesnt work now anyhow?

Jeff
My HP didnt work till RTM cuz HP waited till then-then POOF- my 7450 driver
WAS listed, and it definetly wasnt b4 RTM
 
And I should add... other than my printing problem, I'm not clear on whether
my ATI TV Wonder Pro is supported. The newly disclosed HCL web page says
it's compatible but not logoed yet... I guess I need to stick it in this box
and see what happens.

Other than those two issues, my experience with Vista has been positive.
It's as fast, if not faster, than XP on this box. No driver bangs in device
mangler. Although... heh, heh... I just noticed that DM is still reporting
two floppy drives when this PC only has one. Bugged it more than once.

Have not seen a single crash since installing RTM. Don't recall that I've
ever seen the OS crash, even through the betas. With the exception of BSOD's
during setup due to SATA driver issues, which was fixed.

As I've posted before, and probably beating a dead horse now, but I had RC2
installed on a Dell laptop with 512MB RAM and 64MB video RAM and it ran
fine. Aero and everything. Wouldn't do media type stuff, but one wouldn't
suppose that a machine so spec'd would be intended for media type stuff.

Is Vista a work in progress? Hell, yes. Is XP still a work in progress?
Hell, yes. Otherwise, MS wouldn't be dropping new XP IAVA's on the world
every other day. Forget "Patch Tuesday"... we see IAVA's every week at work.
So... point being, yeah, Vista will be, as -all- OS's are (despite, imho,
other's claims), a work in progress. Anyone who thinks RTM means "fully
realized" is kidding themselves.

My two cents...

Lang
 
Nancy, Lang

With every OS jump, there has been hardware and software we have had to
leave behind.. I still mourn the loss of WordPerfect 7 when XP appeared, but
we move on to other things, get used to new programs or versions..

Overall, Vista is slicker than XP, nicer GUI, faster searches, better memory
management, faster generally.. in a couple of years, we will have forgotten
some of what we liked about XP, and certainly all of the gripes we had when
hardware and software wouldn't run in it..

I am still keeping the XP parallel installation going, but I only go there
to update it now.. strange, but even after only a month of running Vista
RTM, I feel that going back to XP is like revisiting a childhood memory.. I
look at it fondly, but the present and future are here with Vista..
 
If you will note, my reply was not to discredit Vista, but to be perfectly
honest in my estimation of Vista. It still needs work. It still needs
drivers. And as I said, those problems won't stop me from using it when it's
available January 30.

Bottom line, is that there are still warts on Vista, and some will remain
until SP1. In the meantime, I will use Vista, warts and all, once I get the
proper drivers for my printer(s).

Regardless of whether I give Vista a glowing review or not, there will be
hardware and software issues for people still running 98 or XP. However, if
they can't afford to replace the things that no longer work in Vista, they
probably won't be able to afford the cost of the OS either. Certainly, some
won't be able to afford both. Either way, most who are on the older systems,
and cannot afford to upgrade, will stick with what they have. They'll take
the stance: If it ain't broke don't fix it!

Vista has a lot going for it, and I, personally, will go the upgrade route.
Not everyone will be able to afford it, and I will have to use my far in the
future Income Tax Refund to do so. :)

And I don't think I've been using Vista RTM a whole month yet, but I've been
using Vista Beta Builds since July 2005.
 
Gary said:
I bet chicken little AKA Microfox post his "Brace yourselves .. a tsunami is
coming" in under 4 minutes.
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I'd tell all 3 of you to remove your MS blinders, but I know if I did
I'd be waisting my time.

--
Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:

"Price is actually no factor in piracy..." spoken by
Mike Brannigan

"But I'm not insulting people. I'm insulting Linux Loonies..."
spoken by Mike <[email protected]>

"No, I'm not sure. I was just making fun of Chad's typo."
spoken by Mike <[email protected]>

More great quotes here:
http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html
 
Nancy

The driver issue should be sorted soon enough.. apparently, MS has 11,500
drivers ready to be fed into WU, with a possible total of 19,500.. I would
assume that the majority will give at least generic support to a multitude
of older devices..
 
Good grief! I'm struggling like hell to get some hardware to work with
Vista RTM and you're telling me that MS has 10-20K drivers sitting around
*waiting* !!!! Why the dickens would they wait? Lack of drivers is giving
gray hair to loads of "early adopters" like all of us (smile) who would
otherwise be helping to create a good buzz for the product.

Let 'em roll, MS!

P.S. I'm guessing the answer to my own question is they have a backlog of
stuff waiting for the WDDM blessing? OK, OK, I'll calm down. :-}
 
Maybe they have to be force fed :)

Marty

Robert Blacher said:
Good grief! I'm struggling like hell to get some hardware to work with
Vista RTM and you're telling me that MS has 10-20K drivers sitting around
*waiting* !!!! Why the dickens would they wait? Lack of drivers is
giving gray hair to loads of "early adopters" like all of us (smile) who
would otherwise be helping to create a good buzz for the product.

Let 'em roll, MS!

P.S. I'm guessing the answer to my own question is they have a backlog of
stuff waiting for the WDDM blessing? OK, OK, I'll calm down. :-}
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I don't understand everyone's concern or, in many cases outright anger,
about drivers that aren't available yet.

Microsoft has used the term "early access" to describe OEM and
corporate/governmental access to Vista from November 30 to January 30. The
release date for Vista is January 30th.

The code for Vista was not locked down until November 30th. Manufacturers
could not begin final testing of their final release drivers until November
30th. Anything they did before that was subject to change because the OS
code was subject to change. The demands and expectations of perfection in
the software that hardware manufacturers produce means that they have to be
very careful and very thorough in their testing..

Dale
 
Jeff,

I replied to you the other night.... but apparently my response to your
comment went into the bit bucket... so here goes again...

I don't have the driver on media anywhere... the only driver I do have is
old W2K driver. XP had the driver but Vista, apparently, does not.

Thanks,

Lang
 
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