ActiveX problem

[PCR]

I was thinking myself he might not be able to re-download one under the circumstances, but 2nd guessed it might be something in the folder causing the problem. Looks like I took critical 912812 on 4/12/06. I see no problem yet with ActiveX. Now, I've R-Clk "Update Class" in there & selected "Update". It was too quick to follow, but no crash ensued. Also, Windows Update continues to work, though... "There are no critical updates available at this time."

Could be worth a try to un/re-install that one, still.


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Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
(e-mail address removed)
| Caution might be advised in giving advise to remove ActiveX components
| from Windows\Downloaded Program Files folder - they may not be
| reloadable due to update 912812 which is known far and wide to break
| ActiveX functionality.
| http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=912812 (last item is of note here)
| "Microsoft plans to address the issue " - oh, I hope so.
|
| Only solutions I know of for broken ActiveX after 912812 has been
| applied is to remove 912812 or follow xenomorph's 'fix' below which
| appears to allow one to use 912812 with a couple of retrograded files
| and registry entries. Of course retrograded files are direct holes in
| security but until MS actually produces a fix for 98 (the only product
| left out of the ActiveX fix release...) we have no other options for
| broken ActiveX after a run in with update 912812. 912812 will show in
| Add/Remove Programs list as 'Internet Explorer Q912812' if it installed
| properly.
|
| http://xenomorph.net/misc/legacy.php
|
|
|
| PCR wrote:
| > McAfee Scan Engine v.4400 slows my computer & makes NET access impossible. I had to revert to v.4.3.20 or turn off Auto-System Scan. Your newer McAfee doesn't allow turning off just that one.
| >
| > But you are right. No engine slows things quite like you report. Also, as Hewlett Packard has ActiveX problems like your McAfee, it does seem ActiveX is at fault.
| >
| > (a) What do you see at... "C:\WINDOWS\Downloaded Program Files"?
| > Those have an involvement with ActiveX. If you delete them, they should reload when a site needs one.
| >
| > (b) What was the recent update you took that mussed your ActiveX? Do you see it at "Control Panel, Add/Remove Programs, Install/Uninstall tab?
| >
| >
| > --
| > Thanks or Good Luck,
| > There may be humor in this post, and,
| > Naturally, you will not sue,
| > should things get worse after this,
| > PCR
| > (e-mail address removed)
| <snip>
|

 

[Guest]

Hi Andrew
I’m afraid this is a lost cause. Internet Explorer Q912812 is not a
program listed in the Windows Add/Remove properties box.
All the indications are that it was a component in a cumulative update which
I installed during May.
I also have an ebanking account. So far I have not received any
notification from my Bank & transfers in & out of my account appear to be
taking place normally. That is somewhat surprising as I know that the Bank’s
software installed on my computer uses ActiveX components.
My 6 year old Pentium 111 computer with 192 MB of ram and 3dfx Voodoo 3
video adapter will not support Windows Vista. I read a recent report by
industry analysts which warned that more than half of business PCs currently
in use will be too slow to run Windows Vista and recommends that companies
with PCs purchased before 2006 should not bother to upgrade them to run
Vista. Instead they should wait until it is time to buy a new PC because of
Vista hardware demands.

Accordingly I may have to consider upgrading to XP now on the assumption
that Microsoft will provide support for Windows XP for at least 2 to 3 years
after the release of Vista.

Can I take it that Windows XP has not got the ActiveX problem that has beset
Windows 98se, or if it has, that a fix is available.?

You have been a great help
Many Thanks
JJ.Mac

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JJ.Mac

Hi jj.mac
1. The full name of this update (in Control Panel - Add/Remove Programs
Properties Software) is: 'Internet Explorer Q912812'. You can easily
uninstall it from this location, if it's there. Double-check it!
If you really can't find it and made in the meantime a cumulative update,
then it can be incorporated in it, but I don't have enough details about it
and would discourage you to make changes in the Registry without being
absolutely sure.
Of course, as usuall, backup your Registry first
2. After June 15 there will be
- No security updates,
- no chance to call Microsoft Support, even when paying per incident
- Knowledge Base will be there for another year, but downloads most likely not
The worst thing is that Windows Vista will be available in Jan. 2007 and
after such a long waiting period it wouldn't make any sense to buy now Win XP
for half a year.
This is just the beginning, I'm afraid. My bank informed me last week that
they stop supporting Internet banking for clients with Win 98se after Jun 15,
as Microsoft stops supporting it either.
Good luck,
Andrew

Many thanks Andrew for identifying the offending update, Q912812. I know
that it is installed on my computer but it is not listed separately in
Add/Remove programs. On checking Windows Update installation history I can
find no record of Q912812 being installed but a cumulative security update
for Internet Explorer & Service Pack1 (KB912812) which was installed on 5 May
06 is listed. I therefore conclude that Q912812 had been incorporated as a
component of KB912812. However, whereas other updates (eg.KB908519 installed
on 8 Feb 06 or KB837009 installed on 2 June 06 ) are listed in Windows
Add/Remove Programs neither KB912812 (or Q912812) are shown. Perhaps when I
downloaded and installed IE6SETUP.EXE on 22 May 06 all previous updates were
incorporated into the program, Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 SP1 and Internet
tools, which is listed in Add/Remove programs. It would therefore appear
that Q912812 was absorbed into KB912812 which in turn was absorbed into
IE6SP1. My problem now is that I cannot get to Q912812 in order to uninstall
it.
I have identified a key in the registry ,
{2337076a-ddoc-43a6-8d85-54070578a42f},located at
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/Software/Microsoft/Active Setup/Installed
Components/{2337076a-ddoc-43a6-8d85-54070578a42f} which would appear to refer
to the update Q912812. Values shown in the right hand pane when the above
mentioned key is highlighted are as follows
Name Data
Ab[Default] Q912812
Ab Component ID Q912812
011
110 installed 0X00000001[1]
ab Version “6,0,2800,1815â€

I am wondering what would happen if I should delete that key?.
Andrew I would be very grateful if you could throw some light on any of the
above or provide me with some general guidance.
When you say that Microsoft will withdraw all support for Windows 98 2nd ed.
after 15 June does that mean that, should the need arise, I would be unable
to reinstall IE6 including security updates issued prior to that date? If
that is the case I might as well give up now.
Kind regards and thanks

--
JJ.Mac

The answer is very simple and I don't have good news for you. You've just
lost your battle.

1. Support of Win 98se is finished within 10 days meaning that you have to
help yourself with any problem
2. Microsft lost a law suit recently and therefore had to change the way the
ActiveX controls are dealt with. It incorporated the changes into its April
Security Update that you installed on your PC. Therefore you have problems.
There are some patches for newer versions of Windows to give back old
functionality, but only for the period preceding June 15, after which date
the changes will be permanent.
If you still want to enjoy old functionality of ActiveX, you can uninstal
update Q912812 and everything will return to normality, but you would expose
yourself to some security problems that are solved by this update.
In order to be able to use ActiveX after June 15, the websites from which
you're downloading them should create their ActiveX controls in Java 1.5. It
well can be that Win 98 users will have to switch to Win XP
Regards,
Andrew


:

Hi Glenn

One further point. I don’t think I receive automatic updates from
Microsoft. If I do I am not aware of it. Critical updates are installed
only when I choose them which I always do.
I’m taking off on my short break now and hope to return with a clearer head.

Regards and thanks in anticipation

--
JJ.Mac


:

Check my the answer to my post , I had to reformatt and flag the updates to
fix the problem
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie...=en-us-ie-60&lang=en&cr=US&sloc=en-US&m=1&p=1

:

I have a problem with ActiveX which is preventing the McAfee ActiveX controls
required for the proper functioning of VirusScan from installing. When
VirusScan is enabled my computer is impossibly slow (about 8 minutes to boot
and about a further 3 minutes to log onto Outlook Express.) My computer is 6
years old, a Gateway 450SP running on Windows 98 2nd ed with 192 MB of Ram
and currently has 51 GB of hard disk space free. Long waits after each
operation with mouse pointer frozen or moving in jerks with a lot of disk
activity in the background would seem to indicate that the computer was
running out of memory.
I have been pursuing this issue with McAfee technical support and so far
have not found a solution. Although the problem came to light when I
installed VirusScan I think it stems from a pre-existing problem within
Internet Explorer .
I have carried out the following in an effort to resolve the issue.

1. Have checked security settings in Internet Explorer 6 (the default
settings) to ensure that they are as specified by McAfee.
2. Have used McAfee VSCleanup tool to uninstall VirusScan . I then
reinstalled same.
3. Attempted to install McAfee ActiveX controls using the McAfee AXC tool
but failed.
4. Have downloaded and installed/reinstalled Internet Explorer 6 Service
Pack1.
5. Ditto. Windows Script Engine and Visual Basic Runtime .

Advice on what is causing the problem which prevents the installation of
ActiveX components and how to solve the issue would be much appreciated.
If I were to Backup my Hard Disk and then reformat it, reinstall the
operating system and then restore the programs and files from the Backup
would I be likely to finish up with the problem restored also.?

Many Thanks

 

[Xenomorph]

as far as i know, if you use the ActiveX "fix" (pretty much a "912812
remover"), you can install/update the needed ActiveX applications, and then
*re-install* the 912812 update.

from what i've read, the 912812 update will allow the ActiveX content to run
if its already been installed, so you'd still be protected (you just cant
install any new ActiveX content or update the currently installed ActiveX
content until you downgrade from 912812 again.)

it may get pretty annoying to remove 912812, install an ActiveX program,
then update back to 912812 every time you need to get something working, but
its the only way i know of to get it working as of now... :/

 

[Guest]

Hi Andrew
Microsoft have issued a Cumulative Security update for Internet Explorer
(916281) published on June13 which should fix the ActiveX problem on Windows
98. I have yet to check it out but it sounds hopeful. They appear to have
also extended the date for withdrawal of support until July11
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JJ.Mac

Hi jj.mac
1. The full name of this update (in Control Panel - Add/Remove Programs
Properties Software) is: 'Internet Explorer Q912812'. You can easily
uninstall it from this location, if it's there. Double-check it!
If you really can't find it and made in the meantime a cumulative update,
then it can be incorporated in it, but I don't have enough details about it
and would discourage you to make changes in the Registry without being
absolutely sure.
Of course, as usuall, backup your Registry first
2. After June 15 there will be
- No security updates,
- no chance to call Microsoft Support, even when paying per incident
- Knowledge Base will be there for another year, but downloads most likely not
The worst thing is that Windows Vista will be available in Jan. 2007 and
after such a long waiting period it wouldn't make any sense to buy now Win XP
for half a year.
This is just the beginning, I'm afraid. My bank informed me last week that
they stop supporting Internet banking for clients with Win 98se after Jun 15,
as Microsoft stops supporting it either.
Good luck,
Andrew

Many thanks Andrew for identifying the offending update, Q912812. I know
that it is installed on my computer but it is not listed separately in
Add/Remove programs. On checking Windows Update installation history I can
find no record of Q912812 being installed but a cumulative security update
for Internet Explorer & Service Pack1 (KB912812) which was installed on 5 May
06 is listed. I therefore conclude that Q912812 had been incorporated as a
component of KB912812. However, whereas other updates (eg.KB908519 installed
on 8 Feb 06 or KB837009 installed on 2 June 06 ) are listed in Windows
Add/Remove Programs neither KB912812 (or Q912812) are shown. Perhaps when I
downloaded and installed IE6SETUP.EXE on 22 May 06 all previous updates were
incorporated into the program, Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 SP1 and Internet
tools, which is listed in Add/Remove programs. It would therefore appear
that Q912812 was absorbed into KB912812 which in turn was absorbed into
IE6SP1. My problem now is that I cannot get to Q912812 in order to uninstall
it.
I have identified a key in the registry ,
{2337076a-ddoc-43a6-8d85-54070578a42f},located at
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/Software/Microsoft/Active Setup/Installed
Components/{2337076a-ddoc-43a6-8d85-54070578a42f} which would appear to refer
to the update Q912812. Values shown in the right hand pane when the above
mentioned key is highlighted are as follows
Name Data
Ab[Default] Q912812
Ab Component ID Q912812
011
110 installed 0X00000001[1]
ab Version “6,0,2800,1815â€

I am wondering what would happen if I should delete that key?.
Andrew I would be very grateful if you could throw some light on any of the
above or provide me with some general guidance.
When you say that Microsoft will withdraw all support for Windows 98 2nd ed.
after 15 June does that mean that, should the need arise, I would be unable
to reinstall IE6 including security updates issued prior to that date? If
that is the case I might as well give up now.
Kind regards and thanks

--
JJ.Mac

The answer is very simple and I don't have good news for you. You've just
lost your battle.

1. Support of Win 98se is finished within 10 days meaning that you have to
help yourself with any problem
2. Microsft lost a law suit recently and therefore had to change the way the
ActiveX controls are dealt with. It incorporated the changes into its April
Security Update that you installed on your PC. Therefore you have problems.
There are some patches for newer versions of Windows to give back old
functionality, but only for the period preceding June 15, after which date
the changes will be permanent.
If you still want to enjoy old functionality of ActiveX, you can uninstal
update Q912812 and everything will return to normality, but you would expose
yourself to some security problems that are solved by this update.
In order to be able to use ActiveX after June 15, the websites from which
you're downloading them should create their ActiveX controls in Java 1.5. It
well can be that Win 98 users will have to switch to Win XP
Regards,
Andrew


:

Hi Glenn

One further point. I don’t think I receive automatic updates from
Microsoft. If I do I am not aware of it. Critical updates are installed
only when I choose them which I always do.
I’m taking off on my short break now and hope to return with a clearer head.

Regards and thanks in anticipation

--
JJ.Mac


:

Check my the answer to my post , I had to reformatt and flag the updates to
fix the problem
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie...=en-us-ie-60&lang=en&cr=US&sloc=en-US&m=1&p=1

:

I have a problem with ActiveX which is preventing the McAfee ActiveX controls
required for the proper functioning of VirusScan from installing. When
VirusScan is enabled my computer is impossibly slow (about 8 minutes to boot
and about a further 3 minutes to log onto Outlook Express.) My computer is 6
years old, a Gateway 450SP running on Windows 98 2nd ed with 192 MB of Ram
and currently has 51 GB of hard disk space free. Long waits after each
operation with mouse pointer frozen or moving in jerks with a lot of disk
activity in the background would seem to indicate that the computer was
running out of memory.
I have been pursuing this issue with McAfee technical support and so far
have not found a solution. Although the problem came to light when I
installed VirusScan I think it stems from a pre-existing problem within
Internet Explorer .
I have carried out the following in an effort to resolve the issue.

1. Have checked security settings in Internet Explorer 6 (the default
settings) to ensure that they are as specified by McAfee.
2. Have used McAfee VSCleanup tool to uninstall VirusScan . I then
reinstalled same.
3. Attempted to install McAfee ActiveX controls using the McAfee AXC tool
but failed.
4. Have downloaded and installed/reinstalled Internet Explorer 6 Service
Pack1.
5. Ditto. Windows Script Engine and Visual Basic Runtime .

Advice on what is causing the problem which prevents the installation of
ActiveX components and how to solve the issue would be much appreciated.
If I were to Backup my Hard Disk and then reformat it, reinstall the
operating system and then restore the programs and files from the Backup
would I be likely to finish up with the problem restored also.?

Many Thanks