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D. Eth
D. Eth said:
Looks like we cleaned the shit from the bowl.
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Paychecks ?
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Paul Montgumdrop
D. Eth said:I know.
LOL.
You watch him, I'll watch for the ringster !
LOL.
Those two sponges couln't get wet in water.
Well, lets just hope he doesn't make the trek to Linux, nothing wrong
with that.
But the trek leads him to Linux Advocacy, and he comes back here as a
self-anointed guru's guru, like Alias.
I don't think Ringmaster has not made that trek either.
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D. Eth
Paul Montgumdrop said:Well, lets just hope he doesn't make the trek to Linux, nothing wrong with
that.
But the trek leads him to Linux Advocacy, and he comes back here as a
self-anointed guru's guru, like Alias.
I don't think Ringmaster has not made that trek either.
That fuggen Ringhampster wouldn't know his right hand from alias' right
hand.
Both are holding a gerbil.
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+Bob+
That fuggen Ringhampster wouldn't know his right hand from alias' right
hand.
Both are holding a gerbil.
Drop us a line when you two guys get out of Jr. High. Maybe some day
you'll have real jobs where they let you use computers for more than
self amusement.
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D. Eth
+Bob+ said:Drop us a line when you two guys get out of Jr. High. Maybe some day
you'll have real jobs where they let you use computers for more than
self amusement.
Yeah, I got a job...I can buy your job.
PC's ain't shit !
Try property.
Ya f-ing geek monkey.
You work for me ?
I'm firing every geek on Monday !
LOL
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Paul Montgumdrop
+Bob+ said:Drop us a line when you two guys get out of Jr. High. Maybe some day
you'll have real jobs where they let you use computers for more than
self amusement.
Who is us you nut? Do you think you got a posse now you nut?
This *nut* rides in on his broom out of nowhere, like a drunken old
warlock, and he starts tossing witchcraft dust out of his behind, like
he is the greatest thing since sliced toast, a wannabe Moses.
He thinks he has his finger on the pulse of everything and everyone. His
Sherlock Homes skills are no better than his almighty Moses program
analyst skills, worthless.
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eganders
YOU KNOW....
I started this thread with a simple question and after all the
bickering and finger pointing, I still have not gotten the damn
question answered!!!!.
Why does Vista/Internet Explorer give me an access denied when I drag
and drop the URL icon of the present web page onto a folder in the
links bar. It has no problem if I just drop it on the links bar. I
can then cut and past it into the folder (and all it needs is
permission, access is not denied).
NOW. When the Microsoft support person took control of my computer, I
was able to drag and drop it to the folder, NO PROBLEM. Now I just
tried it again and what do you know, the access denied is BACK.
The question remaining is can I turn off SOME parts of the Vista
security to lessen the intrusive nature?
All you that are vigously supporting this version of Vista security
can use just this one example of where it falls apart as a reason why
there is so much vocal negativity toward it. Instead of lambasting
everyone for railing against it, answer the question (without ASKING a
question or pointing me to some LONG WINDED link about security)!!!
I started this thread with a simple question and after all the
bickering and finger pointing, I still have not gotten the damn
question answered!!!!.
Why does Vista/Internet Explorer give me an access denied when I drag
and drop the URL icon of the present web page onto a folder in the
links bar. It has no problem if I just drop it on the links bar. I
can then cut and past it into the folder (and all it needs is
permission, access is not denied).
NOW. When the Microsoft support person took control of my computer, I
was able to drag and drop it to the folder, NO PROBLEM. Now I just
tried it again and what do you know, the access denied is BACK.
The question remaining is can I turn off SOME parts of the Vista
security to lessen the intrusive nature?
All you that are vigously supporting this version of Vista security
can use just this one example of where it falls apart as a reason why
there is so much vocal negativity toward it. Instead of lambasting
everyone for railing against it, answer the question (without ASKING a
question or pointing me to some LONG WINDED link about security)!!!
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Paul Montgomery
The question remaining is can I turn off SOME parts of the Vista
security to lessen the intrusive nature?
Yes, but it might not help your current situation.
http://www.tweakvista.com/article38952.aspx
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Paul Montgumdrop
eganders said:YOU KNOW....
I started this thread with a simple question and after all the
bickering and finger pointing, I still have not gotten the damn
question answered!!!!.
Why does Vista/Internet Explorer give me an access denied when I drag
and drop the URL icon of the present web page onto a folder in the
links bar. It has no problem if I just drop it on the links bar. I
can then cut and past it into the folder (and all it needs is
permission, access is not denied).
If you would like to see the problem and possible for you, then I
suggest you go to the Security NG where you have been posting too, read
the thread and the conversation between myself and the OP as he did the
*test* to see the point of permission issues for user/admin.
The subject thread is "cannot change Program Files to full control".
B
+Bob+
Who is us you nut? Do you think you got a posse now you nut?
"us" is anyone here mature enough to carry on a conversation without
acting like little boys in Jr. High.
FYI - You said you weren't reading my posts. You fibbed.
P
Paul Montgumdrop
+Bob+ said:"us" is anyone here mature enough to carry on a conversation without
acting like little boys in Jr. High.
You're too old to be passing judgment on anyone. You should look at
yourself. When did you become Moses? When did you get tablets placed in
your hands?
FYI - You said you weren't reading my posts. You fibbed.
You replied to someone else and not directly to me. All bets are off on
that one. But see what happens with a direct reply.
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eganders
Well, after just one too many times getting the access denied and
having the scheduler somehow determining that I need to enter my
password again (another problem described elsewhere), I turned the UAC
off. I did not like to do it, but regardless of the support I hear
for it, it is flawed. MS needs to make the UAC work consistently the
same way and in an intuitive way. The last thing I am interested in
is to try to second guess a non-intuitive security system that is
obviously not working in a consist manner. I have been in engineering
for 40 years and I know when I recognize something that is not working
properly or consistently.
Windows Vista has MANY VERY NICE FEATURES. I really appreciate the
areas that have been improved.
But...While we are at it and I am venting. There are 4 things that
need to be fixed in Windows Vista:
1. The security system so that even a simple minded person can
understand how it works.
2. The ability to transfer a person's environment from an old
computer with an old operating system to a new environment with a new
operating system EASILY. REPEAT.... EASILY. REPEAT... EASILY.
MICROSOFT... DO YOU HEAR??? EASILY!!!!
I don't mean the "easy transfer" or "PC Mover" that make you have to
know extensively about how to shut down every security and firewall on
both systems or they crash with devastating consequences. (By the
way. This is NOT a request. It is a warning. The lack of having
something like this is a hidden cost to Microsoft that they MUST NOT
EVEN HAVE A CLUE ABOUT. I put off upgrading to a new PC for about 2
1/2 to 3 years just so I don't have to go through one or two months of
hell. I put together a 36 or so step procedure to perform the
transfer. If anyone doubts that it takes this, then email me and I
will send the procedure to you. If all you do is surf the internet
and write a few letters, then I am not talking to you. I am a power
user. USER, not an IT person--USER.
3. Here is a tough one, but the most important. The operating system
should not get in the way of a person working.
a. New features need to be introduced in a way that do not get in the
way of a person working. I don't want to spend 15 to 20 minutes
looking around for a feature that I have used for 20 years (Yes,
possibly before Windows. Windows made it easier than DOS because it
was intuitive). The new Word layout is improved, but it is not viewed
that way if I am trying to accomplish something and it gets in my way.
b. Operating system and application updates coming up and requesting
installation when I launch an application to do work ARE NOT
APPRECIATED AT ALL. Hear? NOT APPRECIATED AT ALL!!! Do them at the
end of the day, when I am off the machine and according to some
procedure that I have agreed to. (Always, when agreed to (put in a
list of to do's) or NEVER) Don't bug me when I am doing my work.
4. Here is a trivial one but one that really P*SSes me off! Only
scroll a frame/window with the scroll wheel where my mouse arrow is
over the window. In other words, only where I mouseover. Some
applications have it right. Every one of them should have this
right.
having the scheduler somehow determining that I need to enter my
password again (another problem described elsewhere), I turned the UAC
off. I did not like to do it, but regardless of the support I hear
for it, it is flawed. MS needs to make the UAC work consistently the
same way and in an intuitive way. The last thing I am interested in
is to try to second guess a non-intuitive security system that is
obviously not working in a consist manner. I have been in engineering
for 40 years and I know when I recognize something that is not working
properly or consistently.
Windows Vista has MANY VERY NICE FEATURES. I really appreciate the
areas that have been improved.
But...While we are at it and I am venting. There are 4 things that
need to be fixed in Windows Vista:
1. The security system so that even a simple minded person can
understand how it works.
2. The ability to transfer a person's environment from an old
computer with an old operating system to a new environment with a new
operating system EASILY. REPEAT.... EASILY. REPEAT... EASILY.
MICROSOFT... DO YOU HEAR??? EASILY!!!!
I don't mean the "easy transfer" or "PC Mover" that make you have to
know extensively about how to shut down every security and firewall on
both systems or they crash with devastating consequences. (By the
way. This is NOT a request. It is a warning. The lack of having
something like this is a hidden cost to Microsoft that they MUST NOT
EVEN HAVE A CLUE ABOUT. I put off upgrading to a new PC for about 2
1/2 to 3 years just so I don't have to go through one or two months of
hell. I put together a 36 or so step procedure to perform the
transfer. If anyone doubts that it takes this, then email me and I
will send the procedure to you. If all you do is surf the internet
and write a few letters, then I am not talking to you. I am a power
user. USER, not an IT person--USER.
3. Here is a tough one, but the most important. The operating system
should not get in the way of a person working.
a. New features need to be introduced in a way that do not get in the
way of a person working. I don't want to spend 15 to 20 minutes
looking around for a feature that I have used for 20 years (Yes,
possibly before Windows. Windows made it easier than DOS because it
was intuitive). The new Word layout is improved, but it is not viewed
that way if I am trying to accomplish something and it gets in my way.
b. Operating system and application updates coming up and requesting
installation when I launch an application to do work ARE NOT
APPRECIATED AT ALL. Hear? NOT APPRECIATED AT ALL!!! Do them at the
end of the day, when I am off the machine and according to some
procedure that I have agreed to. (Always, when agreed to (put in a
list of to do's) or NEVER) Don't bug me when I am doing my work.
4. Here is a trivial one but one that really P*SSes me off! Only
scroll a frame/window with the scroll wheel where my mouse arrow is
over the window. In other words, only where I mouseover. Some
applications have it right. Every one of them should have this
right.
M
Mr. Arnold
eganders wrote:
<snipped>
<http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc709691.aspx>
<http://news.softpedia.com/news/Admin-Approval-Mode-in-Windows-Vista-45312.shtml>
<http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/cc138019.aspx>
<http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/cc160882.aspx>
<http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa382503.aspx>
You might be real interested in the last three.
<http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa382503.aspx>
<http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa382530(VS.85).aspx>
You should look at the benefits of using that account.
<http://www.computerperformance.co.u...a_Administrator_-_Super_User_(Hidden_Account)>
And even if you disable UAC is your out of the box user/admin account is
an account that has full admin rights.
<snipped>
<http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc709691.aspx>
<http://news.softpedia.com/news/Admin-Approval-Mode-in-Windows-Vista-45312.shtml>
<http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/cc138019.aspx>
<http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/cc160882.aspx>
<http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa382503.aspx>
You might be real interested in the last three.
<http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa382503.aspx>
<http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa382530(VS.85).aspx>
You should look at the benefits of using that account.
<http://www.computerperformance.co.u...a_Administrator_-_Super_User_(Hidden_Account)>
And even if you disable UAC is your out of the box user/admin account is
an account that has full admin rights.
E
eganders
eganders wrote:
<snipped>
<http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc709691.aspx>
<http://news.softpedia.com/news/Admin-Approval-Mode-in-Windows-Vista-4...>
<http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/cc138019.aspx>
<http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/cc160882.aspx>
<http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa382503.aspx>
You might be real interested in the last three.
<http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa382503.aspx>
<http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa382530(VS.85).aspx>
You should look at the benefits of using that account.
<http://www.computerperformance.co.uk/vista/vista_administrator_activa...)>
And even if you disable UAC is your out of the box user/admin account is
an account that has full admin rights.
Mr. Arnold,
These articles appear to be good and thorough, but it is like asking a
pilot to run through a 3 year jet engine maintenance course to fly a
jet plane. I just want to fly the thing, not learn all its
intricacies. If the plane was designed well, the controls are
intuitive and the scheduled maintenance has been done, why should I
learn how to pull a full overhaul? I hope I am never made to feel
like Robinson Caruso.
By the way, I once again had to enter my user name and password into
my scheduled script in the scheduler. There MUST be some rogue
software running or something. I guess I need to try to understand if
there is a pattern to this problem or not.
M
Mr. Arnold
eganders said:Mr. Arnold,
These articles appear to be good and thorough, but it is like asking a
pilot to run through a 3 year jet engine maintenance course to fly a
jet plane. I just want to fly the thing, not learn all its
intricacies. If the plane was designed well, the controls are
intuitive and the scheduled maintenance has been done, why should I
learn how to pull a full overhaul? I hope I am never made to feel
like Robinson Caruso.
You see, that's the problem with Windows users. They want everything
handed to them on a sliver platter. As opposed to a Windows user that
starts using Linux, and they must start understanding Linux to use the
O/S effectively. I don't see this as being any different with Vista,
because Vista is different than XP under the hood in many ways.
By the way, I once again had to enter my user name and password into
my scheduled script in the scheduler. There MUST be some rogue
software running or something. I guess I need to try to understand if
there is a pattern to this problem or not.
How can you trouble shoot or fix anything when you don't know how the
O/S works?
I doubt that some rogue program is running on the machine that's
knocking out the credentials that Task Scheduler is using on the behalf
on this script software. It may be that Task Scheduler is just flat-out
loosing credentials, some kind of a glitch.
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eganders
You see, that's the problem with Windows users. They want everything
handed to them on a sliver platter. As opposed to a Windows user that
starts using Linux, and they must start understanding Linux to use the
O/S effectively. I don't see this as being any different with Vista,
because Vista is different than XP under the hood in many ways.
How can you trouble shoot or fix anything when you don't know how the
O/S works?
I doubt that some rogue program is running on the machine that's
knocking out the credentials that Task Scheduler is using on the behalf
on this script software. It may be that Task Scheduler is just flat-out
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Hmmm. That last statement is not comforting.
By the way... You are right in principle. I want the operating system
to be an appliance. I went through the hobby phase of computers well
over 10 years ago. I was one of the hobbyists. The operating systems
of today are suppose to be able to run businesses and be reliable.
Many technologies have gone through this development phase. How would
you like to diddle with the horizontal or vertical hold on your TV
today? How about trying to get a long distance call to Columbus Ohio
from Detroit Michigan and having to wait for a long distance line to
clear. Or how would you like to grind your valves on your car every
60,000 miles or change your plugs every 10,000 miles?? Computers are
expected to be at the level of being able to be used by the everyman
today. Enough of the hobby build-it stage. I know I am in good
company in the way I feel. The next version of Windows better start
to address most if not all the items I mentioned above, or someone
WILL address it.
M
Mr. Arnold
eganders said:Hmmm. That last statement is not comforting.
Human beings wrote the stuff, and we as human being are not infallible.
So anything we create or do will never be perfect.
Windows Mail can and does loose its login credentials for the ISP's NNTP
and POP3/SMTP servers. It's a glitch.
I have seen glitchs in computer software over the years, no doubt.
By the way... You are right in principle. I want the operating system
to be an appliance. I went through the hobby phase of computers well
over 10 years ago. I was one of the hobbyists. The operating systems
of today are suppose to be able to run businesses and be reliable.
Many technologies have gone through this development phase. How would
you like to diddle with the horizontal or vertical hold on your TV
today? How about trying to get a long distance call to Columbus Ohio
from Detroit Michigan and having to wait for a long distance line to
clear. Or how would you like to grind your valves on your car every
60,000 miles or change your plugs every 10,000 miles?? Computers are
expected to be at the level of being able to be used by the everyman
today. Enough of the hobby build-it stage. I know I am in good
company in the way I feel. The next version of Windows better start
to address most if not all the items I mentioned above, or someone
WILL address it.
Someone WILL address it? What is that? I am not MS. You take that kind
of stuff and you post it to MS.
Why don't you email to MS about how the Task Manager and how it is
loosing the credentials?
Did you ever think of doing that?
http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/techsupport/default.mspx
E
eganders
Human beings wrote the stuff, and we as human being are not infallible.
So anything we create or do will never be perfect.
Windows Mail can and does loose its login credentials for the ISP's NNTP
and POP3/SMTP servers. It's a glitch.
I have seen glitchs in computer software over the years, no doubt.
Someone WILL address it? What is that? I am not MS. You take that kind
of stuff and you post it to MS.
Why don't you email to MS about how the Task Manager and how it is
loosing the credentials?
Did you ever think of doing that?
http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/techsupport/default.mspx- Hide quoted text -
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I would love to email Microsoft in an area where there would be a
ghost of a chance of having my concerns being heard, but I don't see
anything at the support site that says: Enter your suggestions, vent
your concerns or something like that. Did I miss something?
In lieu of that, I felt that possibly Microsoft developers might do
some canvassing of these forums. Maybe not, but one could hope.