kurt wismer said in news:
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Thanks. I did hunt around but missed that short paragraph. Now I'll
contact Kaspersky and ask why they don't list CyberScrub on their own
page, or why they don't list all products that incorporate their engine,
if indeed CyberScrub does use KAV.
UPDATE: Nope, don't need to contact Kaspersky. Looks like Cyberscrub
Anti-Virus is a repackged copy of KAV Lite (see last paragraphs here).
Guess the ink hasn't yet dried on the distribution agreement between
Cyberscrub and Kaspersky for a note to get added on Kaspersky web site
about redistributing KAV Lite through Cyberscrub (and which will now
cost you money whereas it used to be free).
it's in the faq on their anti-virus page... there's the link above...
or
http://tinyurl.com/ywozc for a few of my objections...
I started at the KAV for Windows FAQ page at
http://www.kaspersky.com/faq?qtype=3594740 and kept going through each
additional page until the end. Didn't see anything of what you mention.
A Google search within their site on "forget" didn't turn up anything
relevant.
UPDATE: Rethinking that the "slimy" ones you mention were Cyberscrub
instead of Kaspersky, I reread the FAQ page at Cyberscrub and there I
found the "install and forget" statement. Unfortunately this is how
most users manage their anti-virus software (by NOT managing it but just
install and quickly forget about it, tweaking it, checking for
quarantined files, verifying the auto-update is actually working, and so
on). You were just prior talking about "why not use KAV" and the
following "they" (in regards to the slimy ones) was presumed to also
mean KAV. My mistake. I was wondering why you thought Kaspersky were
the slimy ones.
The first item on Cyberscrub's AV FAQ page says their "Lifetime" Edition
provides a 5-year subscription because they think 5 years is the
lifetime of your computer. Guess they haven't read the class action
suit against McAfee regarding perpetual licenses
(
http://software.mcafee.com/lcas/). Since Cyberscrub claims it is a
lifetime edition, I can see another class action suit coming in 5 years
forcing them to continue providing a *lifetime* product for those users
still using their over 5-year old computers. Hell, there are still
newsgroups dedicated to a 5-year old Windows 98 showing that users move
when there is a need and not due to marketing hype trying to convince
them they need newer and better than what already works well for them.
As regards my mention of review articles of Cyberscrub not mentioning
any anti-virus features, Cyberscrub is both the company name and the
product name. So you end up with a self-titled product "Cyberscrub
Cyberscrub" and their brand new "Cyberscrub Anti-Virus" (licensed from
Kaspersky just yesterday). So when you read a review about Cyberscrub,
you might not know which product they are reviewing. When someone says
they use Cyberscrub, you won't know what they're using. ;-) That's
like someone saying they use Norton. Norton WHAT? I'm still Googling
for a review (and not by someone like PC Mag that just reprints the
marketing blurb they get from the author of the product) that analyzes
about Cyberscrub Anti-Virus (rather than their self-titled disk cleaning
product). But since it appears Cyberscrub Anti-Virus is what used to be
KAV Lite then a tech analysis on KAV Lite's coverage would suffice.
I'm not very familiar with the history of the Kaspersky product line.
Didn't they used to offer a personal-use version called KAV Lite and
which was FREE? Don't see it on their web site. I see mention by other
users of KAV Lite, but then I found
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/archive/index.php/t-36664. Looks like
Kaspersky sold off their KAV Lite to Cyberscrub which renamed it to
Cyberscrub AntiVirus. Yeah, like that's sane. What's the difference
between what was the KAV Lite product and what Kaspersky now sells as
KAV Personal (non-Pro)? I later found a link to KAV Lite at
http://www.kaspersky.com/news?id=973092. The page mentions that you
used to be able to download it and register it for FREE. The page says
it is available from their online store. Nope, it ain't. The page also
lists a link to download the free Lite version but the link is no longer
valid; however, a bit of browsing on their FTP site turned up
ftp://ftp.kaspersky.ru/products/release/english/homeuser/kavlite/ under
which you will find a kavlite45eng.exe download (for the English
version). Oh goodie, now you have to pay for it because it now called
CyberScrub Anti-Virus. Yeah, more insanity. To me, this doesn't
reflect well on Kaspersky. When I was hunting around for a possible
replacement to Norton AV, I certainly wasn't looking at Lite or
otherwise crippled versions.
If Cyberscrub Anti-Virus is just an acquired and repackaged version of
KAV Lite, Cyberscrub's hailed review noted at the top of
http://www.cyberscrub.com/news/index.php is obviously a bribed review.
KAV Lite was out first and then got licensed by Cyberscrub to get
repackaged under Cyberscrub's name. The claim that "This could be the
product introduction of the year", Lynne Russell, makes her out to be a
bribed reviewer or a complete moron. In either case, using her to extol
Cyberscrub's product equates to a *negative* review.
The very next news article listed on that page shows Kaspersky signing a
licensing agreement with Cyberscrub. That blurb and the news article
link clearly show that Kaspersky licensed Cyberscrub to repackage some
version of KAV. However, it doesn't mention if it was the Lite,
Personal, Personal Pro, or what version of KAV that got licensed to
Cyberscrub. Notice the datestamp of this agreement was June 22, 2004 --
the SAME date as when Drew (aka Nichol) made a post about it and claimed
to have used it. Oooh, a possible 1-day examination of the product.
Yeah, like that was a thorough analysis. Yeah, like that wasn't a
misguided Cyberscrub salesman pretending to be Drew/Nichol to promote
their own product. Like I really want to use a crippled Lite version of
KAV. Like I want to use a product from a company that lies in the
newsgroups. NOT! Does this reflect well on Kaspersky? Well, no. We
users need to know WHAT version of KAV got licensed to Cyberscrub. Of
course, selling off KAV Lite, if that is what Cyberscrub got, to make
bucks on what used to be a free product also tarnishes Kaspersky's
image.
