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As this was referred to in Fred Langa's newsletter, I had a look and
downloaded the demo version.

I ran it (what the hell) on my poor longsuffering standby box, and it
appeared to make it go waaaay faster.

Also changing windows setup is much quicker; I know it wasn't a big deal
before, but it's improved.

I'm a bit odf a muppet, so I was surprised to see IE still there, I thought
is would go, and I'm not sure what has been removed, but nothing I've
missed, and a few expweriments with pix in PSP7 were scary fast.

<purists avert eyes>

I'm seriously considering paying for the full version, as it seems much
more cost effective than all the cash and time I've spent on my struggles
with linux, a much faster system for nowt in a few minutes.

</purists etc>,

but I would suggest the free bit is worth a look

http://www.litepc.com/preview.html

mike
 
mike ring <[email protected]> wrote:
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As this was referred to in Fred Langa's newsletter, I had a look and
downloaded the demo version.
Click to expand...
I ran it (what the hell) on my poor longsuffering standby box, and it
appeared to make it go waaaay faster.
Click to expand...
Also changing windows setup is much quicker; I know it wasn't a big deal
before, but it's improved.
Click to expand...
I'm a bit odf a muppet, so I was surprised to see IE still there, I thought
is would go, and I'm not sure what has been removed, but nothing I've
missed, and a few expweriments with pix in PSP7 were scary fast.
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It looks interesting and worth the effort. I know two peoplec with
aging equipment that might be interested in increasing efficiency
softwarewise.

Can you expand a bit on the "demo" tag? Does this leave you with a
slim, but good working setup? They use the term "Preview" below:


"This FREE Preview is a no-nags, unlimited preview for what 98lite
Professional can do to dramatically improve performance and stability
under Windows. The feature set of this preview is restricted compared
to the Professional version, but you do get the most important
functions that speed up your system with the following features:

Configure your desktop in three different ways that suit you.
SLEEK - a blisteringly fast incarnation of the Windows 95 Explorer
CHUBBY - a faster Windows98 Explorer without the web integration
OVERWEIGHT - the fully featured Windows98 Explorer complete with
web-view and active desktop

SLEEK and CHUBBY dis-integrate your web browser from your desktop
while allowing you to keep Internet Explorer for web browsing.

More Information on 98lite shell swapping features...

Options previously unknown in Windows.
This Preview converts Internet Explorer, System Information and
Read-Me Files from default features to optional components. You can
choose to omit these features during installation, or convert an
existing installation and remove the features you are not using.

One file for many Windows! Use 98lite with Windows98, Windows 98 SE
(Second Edition) and Windows Me (Millennium Edition)."

That sounds great! Since the MS "product cycle" has left 98 out in the
cold as to critical updates it looks like IE can be exorcised and
replaced by a safer browser. (two paragraphs up)

http://www.litepc.com/98lite.html

It appears the ability to remove IE is included in this lite version.
Can you see it?
 
http://www.litepc.com/98lite.html
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what I want to know is: how does other software react to it?
I wanted to run some of the new Macromedia trials (and some other stuff) on
my friend's machine running W98 and no go. Updated it in an effort to
upgrade it to SE, and couldn't (and naturally runs even more like a dog,
now). Of course, installing SE directly would mean having to reformat the
hard drive (yeah, right)
 
mike ring said:
As this was referred to in Fred Langa's newsletter, I had a look and
downloaded the demo version.

I ran it (what the hell) on my poor longsuffering standby box, and it
appeared to make it go waaaay faster.

Also changing windows setup is much quicker; I know it wasn't a big deal
before, but it's improved.

I'm a bit odf a muppet, so I was surprised to see IE still there, I thought
is would go, and I'm not sure what has been removed, but nothing I've
missed, and a few expweriments with pix in PSP7 were scary fast.

<purists avert eyes>

I'm seriously considering paying for the full version, as it seems much
more cost effective than all the cash and time I've spent on my struggles
with linux, a much faster system for nowt in a few minutes.

</purists etc>,

but I would suggest the free bit is worth a look

http://www.litepc.com/preview.html
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Possible freeware alternatives designed to speed up Windows, although in
different ways than 98lite, are GameXP and SafeXP:
http://www.theorica.net/index.html I've experimented with both on my XP
system but they claim to also be effective on Windows 98/ME/2000 systems.

Regards,
Ian.
 
what I want to know is: how does other software react to it?
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Windows Update used to have issues but now that 98SE's Windows Update
site is closed then its not a problem. Apart from that, nothing. You
can always re-install the features.
 
Can you expand a bit on the "demo" tag? Does this leave you with a
slim, but good working setup? They use the term "Preview" below:
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Does alot but won't let you install the mega fast option which is
Windows 95 Explorer on Windows 98.
 
On 18 Nov 2004, Conor wrote
Windows Update used to have issues but now that 98SE's Windows
Update site is closed then its not a problem. Apart from that,
nothing. You can always re-install the features.
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As far as I can tell, the demo version did something -- god knows what
-- that's screwed up my sound drivers.

I installed the 98lite preview; fiddled with the Windows Setup a bit;
didn't see much change on my machine; uninstalled it to roll things
back; and a bit later realised I didn't have any sound at all.

It may not be the fault of 98lite preview -- but that's the only major
change I can think of that I've made to the system between having sound
and noticing it wasn't there. (I've reinstalled the drivers for the
on-board sound chip, but no luck.) :(
 
Conor said:
Does alot but won't let you install the mega fast option which is
Windows 95 Explorer on Windows 98.
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It's clearly just a taster, but greatly improved the briskness of my old
98SE box, and yes, the sound is still fine.

I was worried as that box is my linux testbed dualbooting with doze, and
I've never managed to get all the sound functions working on different
distros (but if I put them all together I think they get all functions)
So I just rushed back and checked windoze sound and it works great.

The preview is nagfree and adfree, and seems to be a benefit.

The real spped with the paid version is said to be fitting 95 Explorer,
which they say is much faster than 98, but you have to find your own
copy, I think.

Also totally stripping out MS html rendering, which means you must use
3rd party browsers (Shame!!).

I haven't had the nerve to try it on No1 computer yet, but I'm really
thinking of getting the paid version for No2. At 25 bucks it's way
cheaper than all the 6 quids I've spent on linux magazines for cover
disc, and the odd actual paying for the discs.

mike
 
mike said:
I haven't had the nerve to try it on No1 computer yet, but I'm really
thinking of getting the paid version for No2. At 25 bucks it's way
cheaper than all the 6 quids I've spent on linux magazines for cover
disc, and the odd actual paying for the discs.
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I paid for 98lite it years ago and got the Win2k/XPlite versions free
although I don;t know if they do that now.
 
IME, 98lite did not properly uninstall and restore Windows 98se, as it
claims to do but YMMV.
 
X-No-Archive: yes

Looking at the website, I get the impression that this is just Yet
Another Registry Tweaker.
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Oh, no !

I have been using 98lite preview edition for more than two years and
had no problem. It could get me a lean install Win98 of about 120mb
and all progs work well under it.

It actually creates new setup (inf) files and installs only what you
choose.

The preview edition is not much different from the paid version,
AFAICS

HTH
 
On that special day, Ardent, ([email protected]) said...
Oh, no !

I have been using 98lite preview edition for more than two years
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Did you really read the posting previous to mine? The link given, wasn't
related to 98lite in *any* way, but went to something that called itself
"GameXP" and "SafeXP".

98lite is lightyears away from those meagre tweakers.


Gabriele Neukam

(e-mail address removed)
 
Can you expand a bit on the "demo" tag? Does this leave you with a
slim, but good working setup? They use the term "Preview" below:


"This FREE Preview is a no-nags, unlimited preview for what 98lite
Professional can do to dramatically improve performance and stability
under Windows.
Click to expand...

I don't know exactly what the preview does; and I was a bit too over
eager (it's only my spare box) to audit any savings.

However the desktop, menus rightclick options etc were noticeably
brisker, and PSP processed some big pix MUCH faster, and without
crashing.

I should have tried some music processes, but I don't have the wav
software on that box.

The feature set of this preview is restricted compared
to the Professional version, but you do get the most important
functions that speed up your system with the following features:

Configure your desktop in three different ways that suit you.
SLEEK - a blisteringly fast incarnation of the Windows 95 Explorer
CHUBBY - a faster Windows98 Explorer without the web integration
OVERWEIGHT - the fully featured Windows98 Explorer complete with
web-view and active desktop
Click to expand...

None of these features are available on the preview, and you need a W95
disc to get the fastest config, as it uses W95 explorer.
SLEEK and CHUBBY dis-integrate your web browser from your desktop
while allowing you to keep Internet Explorer for web browsing.

More Information on 98lite shell swapping features...


That sounds great! Since the MS "product cycle" has left 98 out in the
cold as to critical updates it looks like IE can be exorcised and
replaced by a safer browser. (two paragraphs up)

http://www.litepc.com/98lite.html

It appears the ability to remove IE is included in this lite version.
Can you see it?
Click to expand...
I don't remember, and I've now put the pro version on the second box,
and I don't intend to touch No.1 puter till Ive done some backup.

On the box with the pro version I can only find some IE files left in
/System, but I can't find or run the browser.

Why not try the preview, it is free, doesn't nag and improved my
computer - you can also use Ieradicator, which I think doesn't entirely
remove IE, but takes it out of sight (and mind)

mike
 
mike ring <[email protected]> wrote:
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I don't know exactly what the preview does; and I was a bit too over
eager (it's only my spare box) to audit any savings.
Click to expand...
However the desktop, menus rightclick options etc were noticeably
brisker, and PSP processed some big pix MUCH faster, and without
crashing.
Click to expand...
I should have tried some music processes, but I don't have the wav
software on that box.
Click to expand...
I don't remember, and I've now put the pro version on the second box,
and I don't intend to touch No.1 puter till Ive done some backup.
Click to expand...
On the box with the pro version I can only find some IE files left in
/System, but I can't find or run the browser.
Click to expand...
Why not try the preview, it is free, doesn't nag and improved my
computer - you can also use Ieradicator, which I think doesn't entirely
remove IE, but takes it out of sight (and mind)
Click to expand...

It's for a couple of friends running old hardware and 98. I tried IE
Eradicator back when I ran 98SE and vulnerabilities were popping like
corn. I don't think I did anything to botch it, but I had to reinstall
windows afterwards. The setup was stable and fairly recent.

I hate to attempt to "lighten their load" and end up reinstalling
everything for them. I've already got two sitting here awaiting fresh
installs. After I finish them and send them home I'll whip out my old
120mhz box and give it a spin.

It's an interesting concept and seeing that it can be done, I can't
help but to wonder how to do it. It must be a matter of exchanging
the .exe and .dll's and adjusting the registry. It's worth
consideration, as I don't think we should have to follow the MS
product life cycle simply because they stop patching security holes at
some point.

I like XP Pro, but I'd still be running 98SE gladly. It was a slim and
stable OS. If neutered properly, perhaps the main points of entry for
exploits can be removed and it could live on for years to come.
 
(large snip)
I like XP Pro, but I'd still be running 98SE gladly. It was a slim and
stable OS. If neutered properly, perhaps the main points of entry for
exploits can be removed and it could live on for years to come.
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I was nosing around the MS site the other day and was pleasantly
surprised to see that they have extended support for 98 and 98se :
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=lifecycle

Mind you, I'm a bit pissed off that I can't use Win95b on this system,
nor with any of these new-fangled toys that I keep buying.
 
REM said:
It's an interesting concept and seeing that it can be done, I can't
help but to wonder how to do it. It must be a matter of exchanging
the .exe and .dll's and adjusting the registry.
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There is a generosity of passionate detail available in Fred Vorck's
approach to removal of msie components.

http://www.vorck.com/remove-ie.html

His project is for w2000, and he recommends nLite for XP. Btw, his ref
on the $litepc.com company:

http://www.vorck.com/ie-cleanup.html

| [...] one night when I realized that since no one else was doing an
| IE remover FOR FREE that works BOTH before installation AND after and
| PUBLISHING THEIR SOURCE and licensing it under the GPL, then **** it,
| I might as well do it. Some people were still using the free 98Lite
| (from which the intentionally obfuscated, uncommented source can be
| extracted), but that program is not designed for Windows 2000. It
| damages IE, but it doesn't delete everything else listed above.
 
It's for a couple of friends running old hardware and 98. I tried IE
Eradicator back when I ran 98SE and vulnerabilities were popping like
corn. I don't think I did anything to botch it, but I had to reinstall
windows afterwards. The setup was stable and fairly recent.
Click to expand...

I can only say I used Ieradicator before knowing about 98lite (but only
a few months back, when I tried firefox)and it did no noticeable harm.

I think you can get too fanatical about removing IE, one source advised
simply removing it from all menus, de-defaulting it, and forgetting it.

I hate to attempt to "lighten their load" and end up reinstalling
everything for them. I've already got two sitting here awaiting fresh
installs. After I finish them and send them home I'll whip out my old
120mhz box and give it a spin.
Click to expand...

Can't help there, my experience on deputy box has been entirely positive
- if I can find a W95 disc (gave mine away with first computer), I'm
going all the way
I like XP Pro, but I'd still be running 98SE gladly. It was a slim and
stable OS. If neutered properly, perhaps the main points of entry for
exploits can be removed and it could live on for years to come.
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I didn't want to go to XP, and I gave up on linux - let's just say I'm
too dumb (and kinda ensitive to wander into the bearpits they call linux
groups again)

I think 98SE is good for the foreseeable future, all the software I can
envisage is out there, and I'm sticking until something revolutionary
happens - like a linux magazine with a coverdisc that boots, installs
updates, modem and sound work, (fer gawd's sake I can't even make
timidity work in linux, and it's a linux prog, goes a treat in windows
after you've kicked ini and cfg around the floor for a fortnight or so)
AND doesn't take eighteen months to boot, shut down, or open any
app..... (oh god, I started, didn't I?)

mike
 
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