N
null
A realtime antivirus is unnecessary if you use sane internet apps and
practice "safe hex".
Not necessarily. See my network page.
Art
http://www.epix.net/~artnpeg
A realtime antivirus is unnecessary if you use sane internet apps and
practice "safe hex".
Not necessarily. See my network page.
Art
http://www.epix.net/~artnpeg
H
howard schwartz
It is alwo quite difficult, it seems, to read the html help files
(filename.chm) that come with many non-microsoft programs, without
and various dlls and such that come with IE.
Sure microsoft invented the compressed, html, help file format, but it
galls me that freeware authors and others that do not want to help
Bill Gate's monopolize software, compile the help for their own application
so you must have IE to read them.
W
weallhatebillgates
But there are other ways to update, and I use a plug-in (or whateverrach said:
they are called) in X-setup that lets you use the Update feature
anonymously. If it transfers any info to MS from my pc, it's lots of
"user", some "workgroups" and one "F**k you Bill Gates". And I used it
with Netscape, Firefox and another browser I can't recall. I went to MS
and got their patches, but also got "unofficial" versions (GRC ng
somewhere), and I've used ieeradicator (different versions) before and
after updates, have removed just about all MS communication software of
any form from the machine and still can update (if I want) from MS.com
(or whichever name).
N
Norbert NoName
IEEradicator, 98lite- stripping files slowly and backing up daily - got
rid of most IE/MSN/related items - no probs really, Firefox (never met a
site it had probs with yet (but there's time) - no online banking etc
(just a personal security foible) and X-Setup allows no sign-in Update
use
C
Conor
Is that a recent addition?
H
Harvey Van Sickle
On 06 May 2004, Conor wrote
Not sure when it was posted, but I installed this a couple of months
ago and have found it to be very useful.
Not sure when it was posted, but I installed this a couple of months
ago and have found it to be very useful.
S
Spacey Spade
[snip]
I've opted out of jumping hurdles to do updates and whatnot. I focus
instead on using 3rd party software for security, while limiting
operating system or IE's rights. If anything I learn more valuable
info. Works for my personal use.
I've opted out of jumping hurdles to do updates and whatnot. I focus
instead on using 3rd party software for security, while limiting
operating system or IE's rights. If anything I learn more valuable
info. Works for my personal use.
W
weallhatebillgates
Button bashing in practice for another round of Daley Thompson's
Decathlon, Spacey Spade <[email protected]> left
Shakespeare to the monkeys by typing...
Me too. X-setup is an amazing tool which I learned to use in minutes.
One benefit is the MS Update sign-in bypass plug-in. I tried the sign-in
process previously ( when updating system after a long period of
'off-line') but gave up.
The benefits from this plug-in are - less time online (basic
security, lower cost (Third-world countries like mine don't have lots of
broadband), privacy (both from the POV of MS & third parties), and in no
way do I consent to anything in the EULA (They get more like the
original as signed by Robert Johnson every day
) (Google "Robert
Johnson" "Crossroad Blues" "sold his soul to the devil"), and a kb that
lasts longer....
I don't use any remember form details or passwords function -
again basic security - Banking I do face to face with my banker(s) - not
6000 miles away by phone or www - really basic security.
And how many cookies? just visiting hotmail requires at least
14. Why? My life story's shorter than that. (Of course, you may have
your browser set to "auto-hurdle" ;-) But I like to know what
info's going where and why....
One of my reasons for using Firefox. It's another 'barrier' to
some unwanted intrusions (firewalls & AV aren't 100%)- and I haven't yet
seen a Firefox patch that caused another security issue/ vulnerability
(Though YMMV (first time I've used _that_ in a post!)).
Also, I found it amazingly simple to set up and use, small (AMD
Duron) requirements (there are better/faster but I'm happy so far) and a
few other browsers are kept for if I ever need to view an IE-compatible
only page.
My decision to remove IE and other stuff from this PC are many -
Annoyances.org, microsuck.com (the r1ddler's articles), grc NGs all have
pros & cons for IE and others, but security and peace of mind both
figured largely in my decision not to have IE, never mind use it. I hate
to say this, but Win3.1 seemed far better as you could even get rid of
Program Manager. I used (I believe) BackMenu -free, instant su/sd,
system requirements lower than a Casio wristwatch - everything "bolted"
on top of basic OS, not "integrated" like IE (like a really advanced
tumour gets "integrated") and therefore (AFAIAA) far more able to
'access' system.
Of course, Mr Gates and his homies stating (the same as lying,
he just has better(more) lawyers) that IE _could_not_be_removed_ while a
college professor was showing everyone exactly how to do that didn't
help.
My primary purposes with this machine were to make it
1) As fast as possible (I'll start looking into overclocking after I'm
happy with it as standard)
2) As reliable as possible (previously I managed 18 mths without bsod,
fatal exception error, dummy-spitting of any kind) - The only issues I
now have are the system searching for some tape device for some reason
(Quite possibly out of boredom as I keep removing files for it to do
things with) and ZipGenius (candidate for freeware of the year - free,
fast, looks excellent, works superbly) which pops up a window sometimes
when I'm using it saying it's really unhappy about something, and then
carrying on working quite happily with no probs. Maybe it's looking for
the missing tape drive too...
3) As secure as possible. Some research (grc NGs are excellent starting
point again), a little effort, and some trial and error and I think the
system is about as secure as I can make it without locking it in a box.
One benefit of removing lots of unnecessary components is that you can
set your bindings to truly optimal (Network Discipline for Windows 9x on
www.grc.com) - and I respect Steve Gibson even though I'm sure he's got
a "One of Bill's Special Friends" bumper sticker.
That's cool. Of course, you can also run IEEradicator and
reinstall IE to disintegrate the web browser from OS....
I have a 'ready to use' cd with several basic options (f-prot,
AVG, Firefox, ZoneAlarm, Spybot, X-setup, AdAware - all free plus if
win98, option of IEEradicator, 98lite). This I have used for basic
security on lots of "even more underaware" friends' and families'
machines. I figure the companies won't complain too much as this is
primarily to reduce re-spamming/remote server/bandwidth usage/machines
being used for DDos etc. As these people are the MCD (Most Clueless
Denominator) or BLT (BaseLine Thickie), the all-automatic updates/scan
options (except f-prot, but I'll talk them through its use if required),
and their machines are generally more 'in the hedge' than 'cutting
edge', so anything to improve performance on a basic setup should (IMHO)
should at least be considered, especially if so many people whose
opinions are well respected/ can be trusted and whose experience is far
in excess of mine (by a factor of "heaps") recommend it.
It's worth checking out the NGs etc. above, especially as it is
(IMHO) "valuable info". E.g. - Annoyances.org carry forums in which you
can find 'improved' browser configuration settings - some work, some
don't. But if you devote a bit of time and thought (and Google) you can
find alternative options (If you want)
If I go to buy a car, I wouldn't just pick whatever's handiest.
Test drives and crash tests are easy. Just learn to use some backup/zip
software and then you can go crashing through your system like the
proverbial bull in a china shop ("MooMoo. Have you got any soup plates,
please?" }:> ) . And Firefox has really cool skins...
Turnpike for mail/news - uses explorer and it's not perfect -
I'll start looking for a replacement for it - but I prefer it to OE for
most of the above reasons too,,,,
Still, it's all horses for courses (or main course in France and
Belgium).
Decathlon, Spacey Spade <[email protected]> left
Shakespeare to the monkeys by typing...
Me too. X-setup is an amazing tool which I learned to use in minutes.
One benefit is the MS Update sign-in bypass plug-in. I tried the sign-in
process previously ( when updating system after a long period of
'off-line') but gave up.
The benefits from this plug-in are - less time online (basic
security, lower cost (Third-world countries like mine don't have lots of
broadband), privacy (both from the POV of MS & third parties), and in no
way do I consent to anything in the EULA (They get more like the
original as signed by Robert Johnson every day
) (Google "RobertJohnson" "Crossroad Blues" "sold his soul to the devil"), and a kb that
lasts longer....
I don't use any remember form details or passwords function -
again basic security - Banking I do face to face with my banker(s) - not
6000 miles away by phone or www - really basic security.
And how many cookies? just visiting hotmail requires at least
14. Why? My life story's shorter than that. (Of course, you may have
your browser set to "auto-hurdle" ;-) But I like to know what
info's going where and why....
One of my reasons for using Firefox. It's another 'barrier' to
some unwanted intrusions (firewalls & AV aren't 100%)- and I haven't yet
seen a Firefox patch that caused another security issue/ vulnerability
(Though YMMV (first time I've used _that_ in a post!)).
Also, I found it amazingly simple to set up and use, small (AMD
Duron) requirements (there are better/faster but I'm happy so far) and a
few other browsers are kept for if I ever need to view an IE-compatible
only page.
My decision to remove IE and other stuff from this PC are many -
Annoyances.org, microsuck.com (the r1ddler's articles), grc NGs all have
pros & cons for IE and others, but security and peace of mind both
figured largely in my decision not to have IE, never mind use it. I hate
to say this, but Win3.1 seemed far better as you could even get rid of
Program Manager. I used (I believe) BackMenu -free, instant su/sd,
system requirements lower than a Casio wristwatch - everything "bolted"
on top of basic OS, not "integrated" like IE (like a really advanced
tumour gets "integrated") and therefore (AFAIAA) far more able to
'access' system.
Of course, Mr Gates and his homies stating (the same as lying,
he just has better(more) lawyers) that IE _could_not_be_removed_ while a
college professor was showing everyone exactly how to do that didn't
help.
My primary purposes with this machine were to make it
1) As fast as possible (I'll start looking into overclocking after I'm
happy with it as standard)
2) As reliable as possible (previously I managed 18 mths without bsod,
fatal exception error, dummy-spitting of any kind) - The only issues I
now have are the system searching for some tape device for some reason
(Quite possibly out of boredom as I keep removing files for it to do
things with) and ZipGenius (candidate for freeware of the year - free,
fast, looks excellent, works superbly) which pops up a window sometimes
when I'm using it saying it's really unhappy about something, and then
carrying on working quite happily with no probs. Maybe it's looking for
the missing tape drive too...
3) As secure as possible. Some research (grc NGs are excellent starting
point again), a little effort, and some trial and error and I think the
system is about as secure as I can make it without locking it in a box.
One benefit of removing lots of unnecessary components is that you can
set your bindings to truly optimal (Network Discipline for Windows 9x on
www.grc.com) - and I respect Steve Gibson even though I'm sure he's got
a "One of Bill's Special Friends" bumper sticker.
That's cool. Of course, you can also run IEEradicator and
reinstall IE to disintegrate the web browser from OS....
I have a 'ready to use' cd with several basic options (f-prot,
AVG, Firefox, ZoneAlarm, Spybot, X-setup, AdAware - all free plus if
win98, option of IEEradicator, 98lite). This I have used for basic
security on lots of "even more underaware" friends' and families'
machines. I figure the companies won't complain too much as this is
primarily to reduce re-spamming/remote server/bandwidth usage/machines
being used for DDos etc. As these people are the MCD (Most Clueless
Denominator) or BLT (BaseLine Thickie), the all-automatic updates/scan
options (except f-prot, but I'll talk them through its use if required),
and their machines are generally more 'in the hedge' than 'cutting
edge', so anything to improve performance on a basic setup should (IMHO)
should at least be considered, especially if so many people whose
opinions are well respected/ can be trusted and whose experience is far
in excess of mine (by a factor of "heaps") recommend it.
It's worth checking out the NGs etc. above, especially as it is
(IMHO) "valuable info". E.g. - Annoyances.org carry forums in which you
can find 'improved' browser configuration settings - some work, some
don't. But if you devote a bit of time and thought (and Google) you can
find alternative options (If you want)
If I go to buy a car, I wouldn't just pick whatever's handiest.
Test drives and crash tests are easy. Just learn to use some backup/zip
software and then you can go crashing through your system like the
proverbial bull in a china shop ("MooMoo. Have you got any soup plates,
please?" }:> ) . And Firefox has really cool skins...
Turnpike for mail/news - uses explorer and it's not perfect -
I'll start looking for a replacement for it - but I prefer it to OE for
most of the above reasons too,,,,
Still, it's all horses for courses (or main course in France and
Belgium).
S
Spacey Spade
I'll look into that if I ever need to do updates in a corporate setting.
Sounds cool.
[snip]
Blues Artist (singer, guitarist). EULA = selling soul to devil
[snip]
I use a cookie manager that deletes cookies when I exit the browser
(and saves the ones I choose). Not 100% solution, but it keeps full
functionality visiting any website.
[snip]
Firefox sounds great, but I use 3 or more apps regularly that depend on
IE: Roboform (maybe OT now), Popup Stopper Companion (OT), and Google
toolbar. I find these tools indespensible. I've tried Opera, but it's
similar functions didn't even come close. I will try Firefox in a year
or two... I'm in no rush.
Sheesh... I still keep Lynx around (to open HTML only email)
I just got a PIII 667 Mhz desktop. It's state of the art to me.
[snip]
I've heard those are awful. Stick with _completely_ mainstream consumer
storage methods: iso cds, standard formatted hard drives, etc.
[snip]
Already done.
Nice that I know what they all are without having to look up...
[snip]
Important: let them come to you... and they will.
Take care,
Spacey
W
weallhatebillgates
Button bashing in practice for another round of Daley Thompson's
Decathlon, Spacey Spade <[email protected]> left
Shakespeare to the monkeys by typing...
Um, that's probably about the only time you wouldn't want to use it.
Traceability is usually handy in a corporate setting.
"Those who were last to see him swear that he was crawling around on all
fours, foaming from the mouth, hissing and snapping at onlookers like a
rabid dog" (Yup, Windows does that).
His last words "I pray that my redeemer will come and take me from my
grave" seem to have been some oblique reference to open source....
useful on a Duron 800 (mine) or a PIII747...) - and you can even open
said stopped windows as an icon shows in FF. It may not suit you, but it
works for me. And I don't have any of the net history files you can't
see in explorer (Oops - gone Zen) - but then again these files don't
even show up in dos unless you know where to look. I don't know why MS
would make files which track your browsing invisible to you (while
keeping them on your PC) but I think
/hunkers down and awaits the conspiracy theory/MSHeroes/Bill's innocent
brigade's flamers' attacks
/Pops head over parapet and shouts "Anyone able to give me a valid
explanation for this?"
/Ducks again
A) I would prefer to know what is on my pc (I see no difference between
data trackers found by AdAware/Spybot and this).
B) If it's on my PC, it should be there for one purpose - my benefit.
C) I don't hide who I am or what I do, but if this was physical
tracking, I could get an injunction against it. I can remove myself from
mailing/phone lists etc..
This isn't a moan against MS, it's a privacy and legal issue.
Try emailing MS and asking the purpose of some of the files listed in
the r1ddler's articles. Good luck...
<sever>
Turnpike has a handy button for this, and it uses the explorer interface
It's not perfect, but it's a start. If I can, I'm going to use file
manager and dump explorer too in the near future 8-0 ! (that's a smiley,
not 8-nil)
This is a standing joke. The only tape drive I've ever had is (and
always has been) fitted to a totally unrelated machine. It was
mainstream consumer, but I say if you can't smear jam on it and still
backup, don't use it. (although my cd-r/rw/rew whatever seems slower
lately..)
Not that I've done that, but kids seem to like "posting shiny toast" in
our house. I'd complain, but when he was 2, I had to ask my son for his
help removing the "anti-child posting toast in the vcr" guard
I'd just assumed that anyone who's discussing
/Start>ControlPanel>X-setup>BrownNosePlugIn>Activate
swapping browsers with such confidence and authority would know of these
or how to Google for them or alternatives...
/Start>ControlPanel>X-setup>BrownNosePlugIn>Off
I just wish my circle of underaware friends included more drug dealers,
car salesmen, alcohol emporium owners, etc etc.... ;-)
Decathlon, Spacey Spade <[email protected]> left
Shakespeare to the monkeys by typing...
Um, that's probably about the only time you wouldn't want to use it.
Traceability is usually handy in a corporate setting.
"Those who were last to see him swear that he was crawling around on all
fours, foaming from the mouth, hissing and snapping at onlookers like a
rabid dog" (Yup, Windows does that).
His last words "I pray that my redeemer will come and take me from my
grave" seem to have been some oblique reference to open source....
All three functions available in Firefox - less apps running (esp.
useful on a Duron 800 (mine) or a PIII747...) - and you can even open
said stopped windows as an icon shows in FF. It may not suit you, but it
works for me. And I don't have any of the net history files you can't
see in explorer (Oops - gone Zen) - but then again these files don't
even show up in dos unless you know where to look. I don't know why MS
would make files which track your browsing invisible to you (while
keeping them on your PC) but I think
/hunkers down and awaits the conspiracy theory/MSHeroes/Bill's innocent
brigade's flamers' attacks
/Pops head over parapet and shouts "Anyone able to give me a valid
explanation for this?"
/Ducks again
A) I would prefer to know what is on my pc (I see no difference between
data trackers found by AdAware/Spybot and this).
B) If it's on my PC, it should be there for one purpose - my benefit.
C) I don't hide who I am or what I do, but if this was physical
tracking, I could get an injunction against it. I can remove myself from
mailing/phone lists etc..
This isn't a moan against MS, it's a privacy and legal issue.
Try emailing MS and asking the purpose of some of the files listed in
the r1ddler's articles. Good luck...
<sever>
Turnpike has a handy button for this, and it uses the explorer interface
It's not perfect, but it's a start. If I can, I'm going to use file
manager and dump explorer too in the near future 8-0 ! (that's a smiley,
not 8-nil)
This is a standing joke. The only tape drive I've ever had is (and
always has been) fitted to a totally unrelated machine. It was
mainstream consumer, but I say if you can't smear jam on it and still
backup, don't use it. (although my cd-r/rw/rew whatever seems slower
lately..)
Not that I've done that, but kids seem to like "posting shiny toast" in
our house. I'd complain, but when he was 2, I had to ask my son for his
help removing the "anti-child posting toast in the vcr" guard
I'd just assumed that anyone who's discussing
/Start>ControlPanel>X-setup>BrownNosePlugIn>Activate
swapping browsers with such confidence and authority would know of these
or how to Google for them or alternatives...
/Start>ControlPanel>X-setup>BrownNosePlugIn>Off
I just wish my circle of underaware friends included more drug dealers,
car salesmen, alcohol emporium owners, etc etc.... ;-)
S
Spacey Spade
A
Aaron
Not really, I guess it depends on you define recent.
Aaron (my email is not munged!)