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Yesterday I picked up my Nikon CoolScan LS-50 (or 5 ED), just before
closing time. The thing weighs a ton! (Did someone say "built like a
tank"? Feels like that anyway....) Had to walk 15 minutes with it to get
it home, and I was tired after that! Went to have dinner with girl friends
right after...

I have to go out first today, when I come back I'll set it up. But I could
not resist unpacking. Impressed with the packaging (very little styropor,
mostly recyclable cardboard) and the contents - everything in six
languages or more; no worries about getting the software only in Dutch -
I'm sure that's available in English as well (Dutch software confuses me
:))!. 2 manuals, 3 languages each, six quick start guides, a note about
included software updater for Nikon Scan in even more languages.

All in all, very good first impression, more later. But I *can* wait
installing it: I'm going to the travel fair! Maybe that will help making a
decision where I'll go this year - I haven't decided yet...
 
Yesterday I picked up my Nikon CoolScan LS-50 (or 5 ED), just before
closing time. The thing weighs a ton! (Did someone say "built like a
tank"? Feels like that anyway....)

Believe me it sounds like a tank too! ;o)
But I could
not resist unpacking. Impressed with the packaging (very little styropor,
mostly recyclable cardboard) and the contents - everything in six
languages or more; no worries about getting the software only in Dutch -
I'm sure that's available in English as well (Dutch software confuses me
:))!. 2 manuals, 3 languages each, six quick start guides, a note about
included software updater for Nikon Scan in even more languages.

Yes, they do go out of their way to support everything under the sun
but at least you know that everyone gets the same thing. I personally
prefer that to "anorexic" software narrow-marketed to a specific
country or region i.e. what's free in one place costs tons of money
elsewhere.

One thing which (at least for me) is sorely missing is the "film strip
holder" (FH-3). I find it absolutely essential because it keeps the
film flat.

Fortunately, I could use the one I got with my old LS-30. Over there
the film strip holder is called FH-2 but it also works on the LS-50.

Apparently, FH-3 is very hard to come by so if you decide to get it
you can hunt for either one, FH-3 or FH-2.

All this is probably "Chinese" right now, but when you unpack
everything it will make more sense.
All in all, very good first impression, more later. But I *can* wait
installing it: I'm going to the travel fair! Maybe that will help making a
decision where I'll go this year - I haven't decided yet...

I hear that "Nikonia" is very nice at this time of the year but there
is a travel advisory for "Vuescanistan"! ;o)

Don.
 
Just back...

Don ([email protected]) wrote in
Believe me it sounds like a tank too! ;o)

I think I'll prefer that to the sound of plastic cogwheels, more
reassuring. ;-)
One thing which (at least for me) is sorely missing is the "film strip
holder" (FH-3). I find it absolutely essential because it keeps the
film flat.

Fortunately, I could use the one I got with my old LS-30. Over there
the film strip holder is called FH-2 but it also works on the LS-50.

Apparently, FH-3 is very hard to come by so if you decide to get it
you can hunt for either one, FH-3 or FH-2.

All this is probably "Chinese" right now, but when you unpack
everything it will make more sense.

No "Chinese" there - I unpacked, found I had a headache, so decided to
read through the manual with an extra cuppa before heading out for the
travel fair. And immediately came to the conclusion I need that FH-3
thingy! (Or FH-2 - good tip, thanks.) I *know* I have some single-
negative strips, so I'll need it for that if nothing else. I won't need
it immediately, but I'll give the store a call on Tuesday (closed on
Mondays).

Two first qustions:

One thing that surprised me was: no external power supply. I had
expected that (so the temperature inside the scanner would be more
constant. Power supplies give off heat - but when you switch the thing
on it's at room temperature. Do you provide a "warm up time" from when
you first turn it on?

Oh, and some gobbledegook about raw scans stored in NEF format that
isn't really NEF because it isn't really RAW. I know NEF is Nikon's RAW
format for photos - so I wonder how a program like Paint Shop Pro (or PS
Elements, also in the package) would/could handle the scanner's NEF
files? Or is it really something standard like TIFF only with the
"wrong" extension?

I hear that "Nikonia" is very nice at this time of the year but there
is a travel advisory for "Vuescanistan"! ;o)

LOL! *No way* am I going to spend all my vacation with the scanner! I'll
do it the other way round, and create more scanner fodder. Had a nice
time at the travel fair, good info, but no decision yet where I'll go...

I took some pictures with my little carea phone, too, just for fun and
practice. :)
 
One thing that surprised me was: no external power supply.

Don't worry. One part less to lose.
Do you provide a "warm up time" from when
you first turn it on?

There is a start up calibration delay each time it's turned on. And you can
software initiate an auto calibration anytime you think you need it.
Oh, and some gobbledegook about raw scans stored in NEF format that
isn't really NEF because it isn't really RAW. I know NEF is Nikon's RAW
format for photos - so I wonder how a program like Paint Shop Pro (or PS
Elements, also in the package) would/could handle the scanner's NEF
files? Or is it really something standard like TIFF only with the

NEF and RAW are formats which you should study further to get the maximum range
out of your photo taking. But now just hook up your scanner and install all the
software. And scan in TIFF format to learn your scanner. You can even bypass
the installed Nikon software on your computer by activating the Nikon twain
interface through the click button on your Paint Shop Pro program.

Michael....
 
Michael ([email protected]) wrote in
Don't worry. One part less to lose.
:)


There is a start up calibration delay each time it's turned on. And
you can software initiate an auto calibration anytime you think you
need it.

Hmm - I'd expect the power supply to generate heat and thus having an
influence, even if it's just warming the air. I read a description of
another film scanner that kept the power supply external just for this
reason, so the operating temperature of the sensor would not be
influenced by it. I already knew sensor "behavior" is influenced by
temperature - at least in cameras - so that story about the external
power supply made sense to me.
But maybe I'm just worrying about nothing... and should try first. Just
my "RTFM habit": I want to know as much as possible before starting. ;-)

NEF and RAW are formats which you should study further to get the
maximum range out of your photo taking. But now just hook up your
scanner and install all the software. And scan in TIFF format to
learn your scanner.

What I remember from reading posts here, is that there is a "raw" scan
mode on the Nikon scanners (i.e., no post processing done with Nikon
Scan) -- nothing to do with "photo taking" (I don't have a RAW-capable
digital camera anyway, just my little camera phone).

There's a little flyer in the package titled (in English):
"Viewing Nikon Scan NEF Images in Nikon View"
It says:
"Unlike the NEF images produced by some Nikon digital cameras, files
saved in NEF format from Nikon Scan do not contain RAW data. (...)" And
then it goes on about Nikon View, mostly, but also mentions:
"NEF images created in Nikon Scan can not be opened in Adobe Photoshop
using the NEF plugin."

So that makes me wonder:
- what exactly do NEF-from-scan images contain (not RAW, but something
else)?
- can I open these in Paint Shop Pro (or, for that matter, in Adobe
Photoshop Elements 2 which is included in the package but after some
playing with it seems more limited than PSP)?

There must be a way to pen such NEF-from-scan images, otherwise why make
them in the first place?

While I agree with your advise to scan in TIFF to learn the scanner, the
idea to scan "raw" and do all the editing in PSP (or whatever) appeals
to me, even if it's only as an alternative in some cases. At least it
would give me two options with some of the difficult images I know I
have.


(The most interesting "difficult" may be the one roll of color negative
film that was mistakenly developed by a "professional" lab as if it was
B&W - but I won't start with that one, it's deeply buried: too
frustrating! :( )
 
No "Chinese" there - I unpacked, found I had a headache, so decided to
read through the manual with an extra cuppa before heading out for the
travel fair. And immediately came to the conclusion I need that FH-3
thingy! (Or FH-2 - good tip, thanks.) I *know* I have some single-
negative strips, so I'll need it for that if nothing else. I won't need
it immediately, but I'll give the store a call on Tuesday (closed on
Mondays).

You can still feed the single negative strips to the strip adapter,
but I prefer to have the holder. Note the difference between "adapter"
and "holder". So, you can still scan film strips with what you have.

A bit of background to make all this clearer. The scanner itself is
"empty" when you unpack it. There is a big hole at the front. Into
this hole you then have to plug in one of the two adapters before you
can scan:
- film strip adapter, or
- mounted slide adapter

The film strip adapter is motor driven so when you insert a film strip
the adapter pulls it in automatically.

The slide adapter is all manual and you simply insert a mounted slide.
However, you can also insert the film strip holder (FH3).

Now, you may wonder why would you go through the trouble of first
putting the strip in the holder and then inserting the holder, instead
of simply feeding the strip into the strip adapter?

Well, there are several reasons. The film adapter expects the film
sprocket holes to be perfect because it uses them to pull the strip
in. Also, if the strip is curved it may not be flattened enough.

That's why I don't use the strip adapter but only have the mounted
slide adapter plugged in permanently.

But the important thing is, you can still scan film strips using the
supplied strip adapter. You don't need the FH3 but it's handy to have.
Two first questions:

One thing that surprised me was: no external power supply. I had
expected that (so the temperature inside the scanner would be more
constant. Power supplies give off heat - but when you switch the thing
on it's at room temperature. Do you provide a "warm up time" from when
you first turn it on?

That's the beauty of the LED light source. It is not affected by
temperature. (That's one of the reasons why the whole Nikon line is
called "Cool"Scan.) CCDs are but the scanner recalibrates itself at
regular intervals, and you can also force calibration at any time.

I'm of two minds regarding external power supplies. On the one hand,
it's nice to have everything in one box. But, on the other hand, an
external power supply is easier to replace - especially when you move
to a country with different power! However, most power supplies these
days are universal and can be used anywhere. Just peeked at the back
of my LS-50 and it says "100 - 240 v".
Oh, and some gobbledegook about raw scans stored in NEF format that
isn't really NEF because it isn't really RAW. I know NEF is Nikon's RAW
format for photos - so I wonder how a program like Paint Shop Pro (or PS
Elements, also in the package) would/could handle the scanner's NEF
files? Or is it really something standard like TIFF only with the
"wrong" extension?

No, it's Nikon's own proprietary format. It stores some settings in
addition to the image but you can save those yourself separately. I'd
advise to ignore NEF and just use TIFF. You make these raw by simply
turning off all the settings or setting them to neutral values.
LOL! *No way* am I going to spend all my vacation with the scanner! I'll
do it the other way round, and create more scanner fodder. Had a nice
time at the travel fair, good info, but no decision yet where I'll go...

I'm not so much into exotic places. Well, actually I am but it's in
the "long term plan". Until now I just can't get enough of Europe. So
much more to explore there.
I took some pictures with my little carea phone, too, just for fun and
practice. :)

Some of these are getting up there in resolution but the problem is
the lens. Most have a plastic lens but that's good enough for fooling
around. And the format is sure handy because it's all in one small
package.

Don.
 
"Unlike the NEF images produced by some Nikon digital cameras, files
saved in NEF format from Nikon Scan do not contain RAW data. (...)" And
then it goes on about Nikon View, mostly, but also mentions: ....
So that makes me wonder:
- what exactly do NEF-from-scan images contain (not RAW, but something
else)?
- can I open these in Paint Shop Pro (or, for that matter, in Adobe
Photoshop Elements 2 which is included in the package but after some
playing with it seems more limited than PSP)?

That's a little bit confusing because the term "raw" means different
things.

In the context of cameras "raw" is the image from the camera sensor
which is (usually) the so-called Beyer pattern (2 green, 1 red, 1 blue
pixels in a geometric pattern i.e. they do NOT overlap!). On scanners,
and specifically Nikons, you get 1 pixel each and they are
overlapping.

So, in the context of scanners "raw" means getting those pixels at
native bit depth which for LS-50 is 14-bits i.e. a 16-bit TIFF file
for example. You turn everything else off with the possible exception
of:
- ICE, because you can't apply it afterwards.
- gamma, because you have to change it to 2.2 anyway in order to edit
the image (otherwise you'd have to change your whole PC to gamma 1).

In other words, while I would use NEF with a Nikon camera (because
there's no other way of getting raw out), it terms of scanners you can
simply use TIFF with all the settings off or neutral and get the same
thing.
(The most interesting "difficult" may be the one roll of color negative
film that was mistakenly developed by a "professional" lab as if it was
B&W - but I won't start with that one, it's deeply buried: too
frustrating! :( )

I actually started with the most difficult film first (Kodachromes). I
figured that if I can do that satisfactorily then the easy ones should
be a breeze.

Well, that was correct (in a way) and - you know the story - I spent a
good portion of two years wrestling with it all including writing my
own scanner program. But, with hindsight, I could've skipped that and
continued with "easy" films first.

However, you never know what ambushes are around the corner so I
prefer to clear up the difficult problems first.

Anyway, your above film is a special case because of wrong
development. I mean, you may try it out of curiosity and "just for
fun" but it's something that can be handled later after you've got
some more experience.

Don.
 
Don ([email protected]) wrote in
The scanner itself is "empty" when you unpack it. There is a big hole
at the front.

Actually, mine came with the slide adapter plugged in (and taped close),
and the film adapter in a separate box inside the big box.
Well, there are several reasons. The film adapter expects the film
sprocket holes to be perfect because it uses them to pull the strip
in. Also, if the strip is curved it may not be flattened enough.

Well, exactly - the manual has a whole number of pictures of what may be
wrong just with the sprocket holes, and how to correct that (I'll need a
pair of scissors just for the scanner :)) but it also mentions that for
strips with just a single negative the FH is necessary. I think in that
case there just may not be enough sprocket holes on that to properly
transport the film, with possible jam as a result. I don't want to try
that... so I'm calling the store tomorrow.

And of course it will be useful in case of curly film, but I'm much less
likely to have that than strips consisting of a single negative which I
*know* I have.
No, it's Nikon's own proprietary format. It stores some settings in
addition to the image but you can save those yourself separately. I'd
advise to ignore NEF and just use TIFF. You make these raw by simply
turning off all the settings or setting them to neutral values.

Hmm - I still wonder what's inside the NEF-from-scanner files then.
Guess I'll experiment a little.


BTW, what do you do to protect the scanner from dust? Some sort of dust
cover? The room it's sitting in here is not exactly dust-free...

Some of these are getting up there in resolution but the problem is
the lens. Most have a plastic lens but that's good enough for fooling
around. And the format is sure handy because it's all in one small
package.

Precisely - I don't always walk around with my camera, but I usually do
take my phone when I go out. I get pictures I'd otherwise *never* get.

The lens *may* be plastic but I doubt it. And the sensor is 2
megapixels, and it has settings I haven't even explored yet ;-) My
little series of the fair turned out nicely; the only problem is that
it's a bit noisy in low light but PSP X has an excellent noise reduction
filter. I edited two pictures with that so far, with very good results.
Another thing is that the camera is a little slow so it takes some
practice to get moving objects - like dancers: so that's one thing I
practiced yesterday. I'll post a little gallery some time. :)
 
Don ([email protected]) wrote in
Apparently, FH-3 is very hard to come by so if you decide to get it
you can hunt for either one, FH-3 or FH-2.

Not here, it seems: just phoned the store where they phoned the importer
- and it's in stock. I'll have it in a few days.

I did two "practice" scans, the first with and without ICE and saved as
NEF as well as TIFF. The ICE is stunning - I did a side-by-side
comparison with a file comparison utility and practically every speck of
dust is removed without a trace.

The difference between TIFF and NEF is interesting; first a few
differences in the header, then a whole area that's exactly the same
(color profile?) then a whole extra chunk in the NEF file, all binary
(thumbnail??) and then identical image data. For one image, the TIFF
file was 69,097KB while the NEF file was 71,148KB: that's quite a bit of
difference.

PSP X can't open the NEF file - possibly because it's expecting a camera
RAW image (stupid move to use the same extension for two different file
formats!). But both files start with the same four bytes, suggesting
that the NEF is a "special" TIFF format. Indeed, a copy of a NEF image,
renamed with a .tif extension, is opened without problem with XnView -
which then reports the image size as 320x211 (instead of 5959x3946 for
the "actual" TIFF image)! That confirms my hunch there's a thumbnail
embedded in the NEF file. But there's something funny with the header,
it seems, since XnView sees *only* the thumbnail. If I send the renamed-
to-tif file to PSP, it also only sees the thumbnail.

The extra thumbnail would be useful if third-party image browse/catalog
applications could use the thumbnail for preview... and editing apps
could see the actual image data.
 
Actually, mine came with the slide adapter plugged in (and taped close),
and the film adapter in a separate box inside the big box.

On reflection, I think that's how mine was too (it's been a while...).
Well, exactly - the manual has a whole number of pictures of what may be
wrong just with the sprocket holes, and how to correct that (I'll need a
pair of scissors just for the scanner :)) but it also mentions that for
strips with just a single negative the FH is necessary. I think in that
case there just may not be enough sprocket holes on that to properly
transport the film, with possible jam as a result. I don't want to try
that... so I'm calling the store tomorrow.

And of course it will be useful in case of curly film, but I'm much less
likely to have that than strips consisting of a single negative which I
*know* I have.

Also, if you have some mounted slides and want to take them out, they
end up being single negatives. The mounted frame hole is smaller than
the actual image so I removed all my mounted slides in plastic holders
(which snap open and then after I'm done I put them back in). However,
I didn't do that with Kodachromes because they came in paper mounts
which are a mess to take apart (risk of film damage, clouds of dust,
etc). Maybe after I'm done I'll go back and re-do those...?

BTW, the film strip holder also has a hole slightly smaller than the
image so it's a bit fiddly to line up. I adjust each frame before
scanning because the border between frames on film is not always the
same. In other words, if you align one frame it doesn't automatically
follow that all the other frames in the strip will be aligned with the
rest of the strip holder.
Hmm - I still wonder what's inside the NEF-from-scanner files then.
Guess I'll experiment a little.

I haven't really disassembled it but according to what I read it's
basically raw data plus any settings you applied (curves, etc). In a
way very similar to saving a Photoshop file with all the settings
layers.
BTW, what do you do to protect the scanner from dust? Some sort of dust
cover? The room it's sitting in here is not exactly dust-free...

Oh, I know! I ended up covering it with a plastic bag from a grocery
store. It fits perfectly (read: tightly!) and then I cover the whole
thing again with a piece of cloth. Before using it I vacuum the room,
then wait for the dust to settle, remove the cloth, vacuum around the
scanner. Wait for the dust to settle again and remove the plastic.

That may be over the top but so far I haven't had major problems with
dust. There is dust on the film strips but that's another story. I
first wipe the strip with a micro fiber cloth and then use a blow
brush. Also, from time to time I vacuum the inside of the scanner.
Well, not really the inside, but I remove the adapter and just vacuum
around the hole and the adapter itself.

Some people advise getting an "ionizer". It's a gizmo constantly
recycling the air around it removing all dust and other impurities. I
never got around to getting one but it sounds like a good idea.

Finally, nothing kills optical instruments like smoking! Now, I know
that smoking in Holland is compulsory ;o) so if you are a smoker -
quit!!! Or, at the very least, don't smoke around your scanner.
Precisely - I don't always walk around with my camera, but I usually do
take my phone when I go out. I get pictures I'd otherwise *never* get.

I do a lot of that with my old Nikon CoolPix 950. It's a bit bigger
but it fits in my shoulder bag which I always carry anyway. I usually
do most of my ad hoc shooting on my little bike trips often without
even stopping. I pull the camera out and shoot while riding my bike.

I've been thinking about getting a new compact digicam that fits in a
pocket but I'm low on funds right now. Also, even though the
resolution is up and they are smaller than my CoolPix the sensors in
these new compact digicams are also smaller which means more noise!
The lens *may* be plastic but I doubt it. And the sensor is 2
megapixels, and it has settings I haven't even explored yet ;-) My
little series of the fair turned out nicely; the only problem is that
it's a bit noisy in low light but PSP X has an excellent noise reduction
filter. I edited two pictures with that so far, with very good results.

Actually, many compact digicams have plastic lenses too! That's why I
got the CoolPix (way back) because it had a high quality glass lens.
That's even more important for digicams than analog cameras because
the digital sensor is far smaller than film image size in analogs.
Another thing is that the camera is a little slow so it takes some
practice to get moving objects - like dancers: so that's one thing I
practiced yesterday. I'll post a little gallery some time. :)

You mean, you practiced dancing with you camera phone. Juuuust
kidding! ;o)

Don.
 
Not here, it seems: just phoned the store where they phoned the importer
- and it's in stock. I'll have it in a few days.
Excellent!

I did two "practice" scans, the first with and without ICE and saved as
NEF as well as TIFF. The ICE is stunning - I did a side-by-side
comparison with a file comparison utility and practically every speck of
dust is removed without a trace.

Yes, ICE is really very good. I mean, if you really, really, look very
carefully you will spot the "smudge" where the dust was but you have
to look at high magnification and compare images and really look...

BTW, ICE doesn't work with Kodachromes. It may work with some very
overexposed ones (where all the silver has been washed out) but in
general it confuses the silver for dust and causes weird artifacts in
high contrast areas. Some people don't mind, because in many cases
that's also only visible at high magnification.
The difference between TIFF and NEF is interesting; first a few
differences in the header, then a whole area that's exactly the same
(color profile?) then a whole extra chunk in the NEF file, all binary
(thumbnail??) and then identical image data. For one image, the TIFF
file was 69,097KB while the NEF file was 71,148KB: that's quite a bit of
difference.

That's all the settings and stuff. Nikon TIFF too has a whole bunch of
"stuff". What's worse it has some proprietary IFDs (fields) and they
are not all at the beginning but there is one at the end of the file.

My own scanner program only saves the absolute minimum of IFDs so
there is only 180 bytes of overhead per picture. By contrast a
NikonScan TIFF of the same file has about 239,000 bytes overhead!
PSP X can't open the NEF file - possibly because it's expecting a camera
RAW image (stupid move to use the same extension for two different file
formats!). But both files start with the same four bytes, suggesting
that the NEF is a "special" TIFF format. Indeed, a copy of a NEF image,
renamed with a .tif extension, is opened without problem with XnView -
which then reports the image size as 320x211 (instead of 5959x3946 for
the "actual" TIFF image)! That confirms my hunch there's a thumbnail
embedded in the NEF file. But there's something funny with the header,
it seems, since XnView sees *only* the thumbnail. If I send the renamed-
to-tif file to PSP, it also only sees the thumbnail.

That's interesting! It may also be a multi-page TIFF and it can only
see the first page!? Do you have access to Photoshop? I haven't really
played around with this but, presumably, an editor which can handle
multi-page TIFFs may be able to throw some more light on this?
The extra thumbnail would be useful if third-party image browse/catalog
applications could use the thumbnail for preview... and editing apps
could see the actual image data.

I never use thumbnails embedded in the main image because I like to
keep it lean. When I need thumbnails I just generate them myself.

Don.
 
Don ([email protected]) wrote in
Oh, I know! I ended up covering it with a plastic bag from a grocery
store. It fits perfectly (read: tightly!) and then I cover the whole
thing again with a piece of cloth. Before using it I vacuum the room,
then wait for the dust to settle, remove the cloth, vacuum around the
scanner. Wait for the dust to settle again and remove the plastic.

Hmm - I don't see myself doing this every day... at least not all teh
vacuuming. I had in mind, once I get an archiving scheme and a workflow
sorted out, to work on scanning like an hour every day. I like the
grocery bag though, and maybe I could vacuum once a week ;-) That would
be something unheard of, LOL.
Some people advise getting an "ionizer". It's a gizmo constantly
recycling the air around it removing all dust and other impurities. I
never got around to getting one but it sounds like a good idea.

Talk about short on cash - but it sounds like a good idea. I have no
idea what such things cost though... New computer is my first priority.

One worry less: I don't smoke - I'm allergic to smoke so no one visiting
is allowed to either.

Actually, many compact digicams have plastic lenses too! That's why I
got the CoolPix (way back) because it had a high quality glass lens.

Plastic or no plastic, I'm happy with what it can do. I posted one
sample - a portrait I took, available light inside the hall; only
applied digital camera noise reduction in PSP X and a little sharpening;
result saved as JPG in two sizes; first is full size (1224x1632), second
reduced (480x640):

http://www.xs4all.nl/~iamback/tests/w800i/DSC00082_h1632.jpg
http://www.xs4all.nl/~iamback/tests/w800i/DSC00082_h640.jpg

You mean, you practiced dancing with you camera phone. Juuuust
kidding! ;o)

Juuuuust wait till I post the dancing coffee seller ;-)
 
Don ([email protected]) wrote in
That's interesting! It may also be a multi-page TIFF and it can only
see the first page!? Do you have access to Photoshop? I haven't really
played around with this but, presumably, an editor which can handle
multi-page TIFFs may be able to throw some more light on this?

No Photoshop here. I do have the Photoshop Elements 2 that came with the
scanner but I haven't tried opening it with that yet. (I played with the
program a bit and it's so much inferior to PSP I doubt I'll ever use it
- except maybe for a particular function not in PSP; the plugins it
comes with I can use directly in PSP anyway...)
BUT: while XnView reports the TIFF file produced by Nikon Scan as a 2-
page TIFF, the NEF-renamed-to-TIFF is reported as a single-page TIFF!
Which makes me think it's a not-quite-standard format TIFF file and
*any* third-party program (i.e., except Nikon View which I haven't
installed yet) will have trouble getting at the "real" image data.

But I reckoned there must be a reason why it has this extra output
format so that's why I saved a few for comparison; looks like it's the
embedded preview - sort of like DNG format, actually. (Hmm, what happens
if I rename to .dng? Gotta try that.)

I did note that Nikon Scan stores some meta data (EXIF and
comments/maker notes) in the TIFF file, but some of that is actually
useful for archival purposes; it can always be removed/replaced for
publication but for now I'm planning to leave it in. And yes, I did
notice some short strings that suggested settings - which would also be
useful in case a re-scan is needed, if only I can get at those data.

Lots of testing and fun ahead! :D
 
Marjolein Katsma said:
Don ([email protected]) wrote in


Hmm - I don't see myself doing this every day... at least not all teh
vacuuming. I had in mind, once I get an archiving scheme and a workflow
sorted out, to work on scanning like an hour every day. I like the
grocery bag though, and maybe I could vacuum once a week ;-) That would
be something unheard of, LOL.

I'm still trying to work you if you are a man or a woman - and given you
know what vacuuming is, I've currently tending towards you being female!
Google takes me in that direction as well....
 
Surfer! ([email protected]) wrote in view.co.uk:
I'm still trying to work you if you are a man or a woman - and given you
know what vacuuming is, I've currently tending towards you being female!
Google takes me in that direction as well....

LOL! Google is right (in that respect at least). ;)
 
Don ([email protected]) wrote in
That's interesting! It may also be a multi-page TIFF and it can only
see the first page!? Do you have access to Photoshop? I haven't really
played around with this but, presumably, an editor which can handle
multi-page TIFFs may be able to throw some more light on this?

One more interesting tidbit about NEF vs. TIFF vs. NEF-renamed-as TIFF:
ThumbsPlus 7 (Pro) is able to open *all* of them (NEF via the digicam
plugin(!) - in spite of what Nikon says about scanner-NEF not being like
camera-NEF).

It also reports the "real" image size for the NEF files, but does not
see it as multi-page TIFF; some "non-standard" EXIF fields. NEF files
are reported as:
Type: Format: Nikon NEF ( Nikon COOLSCAN V ED) (via plug_digicam).
No details reported.

On the other hand, for the *renamed* NEF file, it reports details as for
a real TIFF file:
unknown field with tag 34665 (0x8769) ignored
unknown field with tag 37398 (0x9216) ignored
[1 TIFF image(s) in file]

TIFF Directory at offset 0x8
Subfile Type: reduced-resolution image (1 = 0x1)
Image Width: 320 Image Length: 211
Resolution: 4000, 4000 pixels/inch
Bits/Sample: 8
Compression Scheme: None
Photometric Interpretation: RGB color
Date & Time: "2006.01.17 11.58.58"
Software: "Nikon Scan 4.0.2 W"
Make: "Nikon"
Model: "Nikon COOLSCAN V ED"
Orientation: row 0 top, col 0 lhs
Samples/Pixel: 3
Rows/Strip: 211
Planar Configuration: single image plane
ICC Profile: <present>, 8636 bytes
SubIFD Offsets: 9044
1 Strips:
0: [ 11950, 202560]



I'll have to do some comparisons in detail, but this is getting more and
more interesting... I'll also let some EXIF tools loose on them.
 
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