Xpress Recovery2 -The Saga nearly ended!

[Mickey Mouse]

For anyone interested, here's how to setup Xpress Recovery2 using one
harddrive partitioned C:

I will post another re harddrive with multi partitions as the proceedure is
different.



When setting up XR2, there are a couple of considerations.

1. Are using a single physical Drive.

2. Is it going to have multiple partitions.

3 Are you going to install another physical Drive.

The proceedure is slightly different depending whether your going to use a
single or multiple partitioned physical Drive.

For the rank novice, remember, a physical hard drive is the machine inside
the box, as apposed to the number of partitions you're going to put into it.

It's also NOT memory as some refer to it. You really need to know the
difference between a harddrive, partion and memory before you go any
further.

It's also important to know the limitations of XR2, use the below link.

http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Support/Motherboard/TechGuide_List.aspx?NewTechID=91

I'm going to use a sample pc with a...

a) Gigabyte Mobo. (There are a small number of Gigabyte mobo's that only
suport PATA harddrives with XR2, see link).

b) 1 only WD 750Gb harddrive, this harddrive will only be partitioned to
C:

c) Windows XP Pro

The system drive, usually C: must be in all cases Drive (0) not Drive (1)

If your only using one harddrive then it should already be Drive (0)

I don't know any other way to check this apart from installing windows and
checking Disk Management.

Start > rightclick My computer > manage > Disk Management

Finally, change your Bios to boot from CD.

Let's get started.

1. Insert Windows Installation Disk and boot the pc.

2. You will see shortly the 'Windows XP Pro Setup' screen.

3. Delete any and all partitions displayed to display all available space to
create your C: partition.

In this case it's showing me (and your numbers may differ) 715269MB
Unpartitioned Space.

4. Press C to create a partiton on this unpartioned space.

5. Now type in amount of MB you want C: to be. Use all the unpartitioned
space, less 20,000 MB (20Gb) and press enter.


Note: The 20Gb is for XR2's image file partition. The Gigabyte link above
refers to XR2 as a backup.

I believe though it's an image, (compressed file). We have alloted 20Gb
for this file here but since

we are using one drive, C: , 20Gb may not be large enough. If you are
only installing the system, drivers

and applications, then 20Gb may be enough. However, if you are also
going to use this C;drive as a storage

facility for lots of say, downloaded programs then you may need a lot
more than 20Gb. That's why it might

make sense to have another partition D: for storage. XR2 will only image
everything on C: the system partition.

6. Format the partition, I use quick format.

7. Continue installing XP until completely done.

8. Go back to Disk Manager and check all's well.

You should see...... Drive(0), C: appx. 678Gb and is a
Primary, Healthy (System)

You should also see........ appx. 20GB unallocated

9. Load all Drivers from the Mobo disk. After all drivers are installed and
the pc is running correctly leave the

mobo drivers disk in the cdrom and reboot.

10 Press F9 when you get the option while booting.

11. The XR2 will now install from the mobo disk. (In future, you can access
XR2 while rebooting (F9), you won't need the mobo disk.)

12. When XR2 is installed you will get an option to backup. Press Back up.

13 When the backup/image is done the pc will reboot, remove the disk from
the rom.

Before you do this, consider carefully how big you want the image partition.
That's all XR2 will have to play with.

100Gb for such a large drive is more practicle, maybe.

Xpress Recovery2 for the not so technical minded is ideal and it's not as
hard to do as this post is longwinded.

Sorry 'bout that, need to make as clear as posible.

Mickey

 

[smlunatick]

For anyone interested, here's how to setup Xpress Recovery2 using one
harddrive partitioned C:

I will post another re harddrive with multi partitions as the proceedure is
different.

When setting up XR2, there are a couple of considerations.

1. Are using a single physical Drive.

2. Is it going to have multiple partitions.

3 Are you going to install another physical Drive.

The proceedure is slightly different depending whether your going to use a
single or multiple partitioned physical Drive.

For the rank novice, remember, a physical hard drive is the machine inside
the box, as apposed to the number of partitions you're going to put into it.

It's also NOT memory as some refer to it. You really need to know the
difference between a harddrive, partion and memory before you go any
further.

It's also important to know the limitations of XR2, use the below link.

http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Support/Motherboard/TechGuide_List.aspx?Ne...

I'm going to use a sample pc with a...

    a) Gigabyte Mobo. (There are a small number of Gigabyte mobo's that only
suport PATA harddrives with XR2, see link).

    b) 1 only WD 750Gb harddrive, this harddrive will only be partitioned to
C:

    c) Windows XP Pro

The system drive, usually C: must be in all cases Drive (0) not Drive (1)

If your only using one harddrive then it should already be Drive (0)

I don't know any other way to check this apart from installing windows and
checking Disk Management.

Start > rightclick My computer > manage > Disk Management

Finally, change your Bios to boot from CD.

Let's get started.

1. Insert Windows Installation Disk and boot the pc.

2. You will see shortly the 'Windows XP Pro Setup' screen.

3. Delete any and all partitions displayed to display all available spaceto
create your C: partition.

In this case it's showing me (and your numbers may differ) 715269MB
Unpartitioned Space.

4. Press C to create a partiton on this unpartioned space.

5. Now type in amount of MB you want C: to be. Use all the unpartitioned
space, less 20,000 MB (20Gb) and press enter.

Note: The 20Gb is for XR2's image file partition. The Gigabyte link above
refers to XR2 as a backup.

    I believe though it's an image, (compressed file). We have alloted 20Gb
for this file here but since

    we are using one drive, C: ,  20Gb may not be large enough. If you are
only installing the system, drivers

    and applications, then 20Gb may be enough. However, if you are also
going to use this C;drive as a storage

    facility for lots of say, downloaded programs then you may need alot
more than 20Gb. That's why it might

    make sense to have another partition D: for storage. XR2 will only image
everything on C: the system partition.

6. Format the partition, I use quick format.

7. Continue installing XP until completely done.

8. Go back to Disk Manager and check all's well.

        You should see......       Drive(0),  C: appx. 678Gb and is a
Primary, Healthy (System)

        You should also see........  appx. 20GB unallocated

9. Load all Drivers from the Mobo disk. After all drivers are installed and
the pc is running correctly leave the

    mobo drivers disk in the cdrom and reboot.

10  Press F9 when you get  the option while booting.

11. The XR2 will now install from the mobo disk.  (In future, you can access
XR2 while rebooting (F9), you won't need the mobo disk.)

12. When XR2 is installed you will get an option to backup.  Press Backup.

13 When the backup/image is done the pc will reboot, remove the disk from
the rom.

Before you do this, consider carefully how big you want the image partition.
That's all XR2 will have to play with.

100Gb for such a large drive is more practicle, maybe.

Xpress Recovery2 for the not so technical minded is ideal and it's not as
hard to do as this post is longwinded.

Sorry 'bout that, need to make as clear as posible.

Mickey

This is a third separate thread. It seem to be orphaned since you did
not continue with the original post.

 

[Daave]

For anyone interested, here's how to setup Xpress Recovery2 using one
harddrive partitioned C:

I will post another re harddrive with multi partitions as the
proceedure is different.



When setting up XR2, there are a couple of considerations.

1. Are using a single physical Drive.

2. Is it going to have multiple partitions.

3 Are you going to install another physical Drive.

The proceedure is slightly different depending whether your going to
use a single or multiple partitioned physical Drive.

For the rank novice, remember, a physical hard drive is the machine
inside the box, as apposed to the number of partitions you're going to
put into it.

It's also NOT memory as some refer to it. You really need to know the
difference between a harddrive, partion and memory before you go any
further.

It's also important to know the limitations of XR2, use the below
link.

http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Support/Motherboard/TechGuide_List.aspx?NewTechID=91

I'm going to use a sample pc with a...

a) Gigabyte Mobo. (There are a small number of Gigabyte mobo's that
only suport PATA harddrives with XR2, see link).

b) 1 only WD 750Gb harddrive, this harddrive will only be
partitioned to C:

c) Windows XP Pro

The system drive, usually C: must be in all cases Drive (0) not Drive
(1)

If your only using one harddrive then it should already be Drive (0)

I don't know any other way to check this apart from installing windows
and checking Disk Management.

Start > rightclick My computer > manage > Disk Management

Finally, change your Bios to boot from CD.

Let's get started.

1. Insert Windows Installation Disk and boot the pc.

2. You will see shortly the 'Windows XP Pro Setup' screen.

3. Delete any and all partitions displayed to display all available
space to create your C: partition.

In this case it's showing me (and your numbers may differ) 715269MB
Unpartitioned Space.

4. Press C to create a partiton on this unpartioned space.

5. Now type in amount of MB you want C: to be. Use all the
unpartitioned space, less 20,000 MB (20Gb) and press enter.


Note: The 20Gb is for XR2's image file partition. The Gigabyte link
above refers to XR2 as a backup.

I believe though it's an image, (compressed file). We have alloted
20Gb for this file here but since

we are using one drive, C: , 20Gb may not be large enough. If you
are only installing the system, drivers

and applications, then 20Gb may be enough. However, if you are also
going to use this C;drive as a storage

facility for lots of say, downloaded programs then you may need a
lot more than 20Gb. That's why it might

make sense to have another partition D: for storage. XR2 will only
image everything on C: the system partition.

6. Format the partition, I use quick format.

7. Continue installing XP until completely done.

8. Go back to Disk Manager and check all's well.

You should see...... Drive(0), C: appx. 678Gb and is a
Primary, Healthy (System)

You should also see........ appx. 20GB unallocated

9. Load all Drivers from the Mobo disk. After all drivers are
installed and the pc is running correctly leave the

mobo drivers disk in the cdrom and reboot.

10 Press F9 when you get the option while booting.

11. The XR2 will now install from the mobo disk. (In future, you can
access XR2 while rebooting (F9), you won't need the mobo disk.)

12. When XR2 is installed you will get an option to backup. Press
Back up.

13 When the backup/image is done the pc will reboot, remove the disk
from the rom.

Before you do this, consider carefully how big you want the image
partition. That's all XR2 will have to play with.

100Gb for such a large drive is more practicle, maybe.

Xpress Recovery2 for the not so technical minded is ideal and it's not
as hard to do as this post is longwinded.

Sorry 'bout that, need to make as clear as posible.

Thanks for the research and effort, Micky, but the above hypothetical
should never be attempted in the real world. You are proposing the image
for C: appear on a different partition of the *same physical hard
drive*! If there is something physically wrong with the hard drive, the
image on D: won't do you any good!

If you have another physical disk in the PC, it would be better if the
image resided on it. Better yet, store the image on an *external* hard
drive.

 

[Mickey Mouse]

Hi Daave, In this hypothetical your comment is not only correct but also
makes a lot of sense.
Unfortunately, XR2 gives no option to image elsewhere. I merely creates
it's own partition (albeit protected).
I the harddrive suffers a mechanicle breakdown then your screwed.
However, if you like me play with and or experiment with utilities that end
up scrambling your system or if a
virus or malicious type of file gets in or your system start behaving very
poorly then I think for the average non-literate
pc user with very little knowledge of how the system works XR2, would be
helpful.

Had to travel 14 miles the other night to help out a friend. She called me
and said my computer is not working can I help?
I said what's wrong, and she said she's getting a message 'Missing NTDLR'.
Well, you know how easy that is to fix but
she is one of those who are apparently only aquainted with the on button.
Well although the problem is an easy fix,
finding the cause of the problem may not be so easy. If she had a Gigabyte
system with XR2 installed I would have just
said to her to bootup and hit F9 and restore the backup.
Someone in this thread suggested DriveImage which I'm looking at. It
appears to be a cool free alternative, but for the rank
novice, I don't know. You need to learn how to use DriveImage, then you
need to learn how to create the BartPe disk and using and understanding the
required plugins that go with it. Remember who wer're talking about here,
Some usuers don't even know where Windows Explorer is, let alone how to
copy,paste and move a file. Yes, sad isn't it. lol.

Thanks for your kind comment re my research, as luck would have it,
Melbourne is putting up with a heatwave at the moment and that's made it
difficult sit sit in front of my machine. No airconditioning in my house.

I'm about to put together how to partition a harddrive with multiple
partitions to use with XR2 and I'm expecting it to get
to 37 degrees today. That's Celcius folks.

Also, I got my definitive how to from gigabyte. As in their previous
replies to me it was laughable. Who the hell is running
that company, laurel and Hardy? lol.

ok, back soon,

Mickey

 

[Mickey Mouse]

Multi-partitioned system.

Ok, here's the last part, this time I'm going to use the same hypothetical
system as last time.
I'll create two partitions C:300Gb & D:430 and install XR2.
If your system has two physical drives then make sure that the drive which
will hold the system files C: is drive (0).
Mb or Gb numbers I show here are fitional, but close enough and doesn't
matter, they won't impact on this installation.

Make sure the bios is set up to boot from CD.

1 Insert the XP installation disk and power down.
2 Power up and boot from CD, when asked.
3. At the XP Setup Screen delete any and all partitions.
4. Unpartitioned space will be shown, press <C> to create a partition.
5. Enter the size in MB how large you want C: to be; here 300000Mb and press
<Enter>.
6 You will then see on the next screen the C: is 300000Mb & the rest
'Unpartitoned Space'.

You could now create a D: partition but we won't. Just press Enter on the
highlighted C: partition to install Windows.

7. On the next screen, format the partition. "Quick" if you want to save
some time.
XP will continue to install, let it install completely.
8. When XP is installed load and install your drivers including your VGA
driver if it comes on a seperate cd.
9. Remove the cd from the cdrom and reboot.
You now have an installed Windows XP system.

A look at the Disk Manager will show, C: Drive(0), appx. 300Gb Healthy
(system) and appx. 450Gb of unallocated space.

10. Insert your mobo disk and power down.
11. Power up and press F9 at the appropriate time to install XR2

The Xpress Recovery2 Screen will appear giving you the options to
'Backup','Restore', 'Remove' or 'Boot' or similar.
Do not 'Remove' - Press Backup! and it might ask to 'Overwrite the Existing
Image' - Say YES.
When you say YES you will see 'BACKUP NOW' on the screen. It is now
creating the image, and creating it's own
protected partition. When the image is created, (of your C: partition
including the system files) and saved into it's own partition
it will then reboot your system back to XP.
At this point you may remove your mobo disk and store it.
What you have done so far is created a C: partition, formatted it, installed
Win XP and installed Xpress recover2.
If this is your first time, then congratulations.

Now we need to create our D: partition.

In Windows go to the Disk manager: Start> right click 'My computer' >
manage > Disk management

You will see that Drive(0) is C: appx 300Gb and an amout of unallocated
space appx 446Gb. and another new partition of appx. 4Gb. This is your
image partition.
What we need to do now is to take some of that unallocated space and turn it
into D:, but leaving enough unallocated for XR2
to utilize when making further backups (to add to the already made image).
Having trouble? Read slower.

Ok, so we are in disk Management.

12. Left Click on the unallocated section and digonal lines will appear.
13. Now Right click it and select "New Partition" and "The Partition" Wizard
will appear.
14. Click 'Next', A screen 'Specify Partition Size' will appear.

"Remember now that XR2 requires some of the unallocated space, so leave some
of the unallocatted space after creating the D: partition.

Now our existing backup partition is appx 4 Gb, leave enough unallocated
space, say, 16Gb (16000Mb) after creating D: for XR2 to use. This gives
XR2 16Gb + the already used 4Gb to play with (20Gb). I my opinion, that's
more than plenty."

In step 14 above we specify 430000Mb (430Gb), Press Next
15. Assign it the next available drive letter (which depending on your
system may not be 'D' but doesn't matter). Press Next
16. 'Format Partition' Don't change anything here except select, 'Perform
Quick Format' and Press Next
17. Click 'Finish' on the 'Partition Wizard'
Now look again at the Disk Manager. You will have two partitions for your
use, some unallocated space and finally, the backup partition.

If you've made an error calculating the size of your 'New Partiton' and
haven't left enough unallocated space, then you can select the 'New
Partition' and delete it. This will put all the unallocated space back
together and you can start over from step 12.

This has been as much a learning experiance for me as I hope it's been for
you and hope you find it helpful.
It's wriiten with the newbie in mind.
Thanks to all those who inputed in this thread. I feel I've made some good
friends, for that, thankyou.

Mickey
Ps.
I could contact Laurel and Hardy (Gigabyte tech support) and show them how
to use
their own program, but a pie in the face would be too much of a temptation.

 

[ushere]

Multi-partitioned system.

Ok, here's the last part, this time I'm going to use the same hypothetical
system as last time.
I'll create two partitions C:300Gb & D:430 and install XR2.
If your system has two physical drives then make sure that the drive which
will hold the system files C: is drive (0).
Mb or Gb numbers I show here are fitional, but close enough and doesn't
matter, they won't impact on this installation.

Make sure the bios is set up to boot from CD.

1 Insert the XP installation disk and power down.
2 Power up and boot from CD, when asked.
3. At the XP Setup Screen delete any and all partitions.
4. Unpartitioned space will be shown, press <C> to create a partition.
5. Enter the size in MB how large you want C: to be; here 300000Mb and press
<Enter>.
6 You will then see on the next screen the C: is 300000Mb & the rest
'Unpartitoned Space'.

You could now create a D: partition but we won't. Just press Enter on the
highlighted C: partition to install Windows.

7. On the next screen, format the partition. "Quick" if you want to save
some time.
XP will continue to install, let it install completely.
8. When XP is installed load and install your drivers including your VGA
driver if it comes on a seperate cd.
9. Remove the cd from the cdrom and reboot.
You now have an installed Windows XP system.

A look at the Disk Manager will show, C: Drive(0), appx. 300Gb Healthy
(system) and appx. 450Gb of unallocated space.

10. Insert your mobo disk and power down.
11. Power up and press F9 at the appropriate time to install XR2

The Xpress Recovery2 Screen will appear giving you the options to
'Backup','Restore', 'Remove' or 'Boot' or similar.
Do not 'Remove' - Press Backup! and it might ask to 'Overwrite the Existing
Image' - Say YES.
When you say YES you will see 'BACKUP NOW' on the screen. It is now
creating the image, and creating it's own
protected partition. When the image is created, (of your C: partition
including the system files) and saved into it's own partition
it will then reboot your system back to XP.
At this point you may remove your mobo disk and store it.
What you have done so far is created a C: partition, formatted it, installed
Win XP and installed Xpress recover2.
If this is your first time, then congratulations.

Now we need to create our D: partition.

In Windows go to the Disk manager: Start> right click 'My computer' >
manage > Disk management

You will see that Drive(0) is C: appx 300Gb and an amout of unallocated
space appx 446Gb. and another new partition of appx. 4Gb. This is your
image partition.
What we need to do now is to take some of that unallocated space and turn it
into D:, but leaving enough unallocated for XR2
to utilize when making further backups (to add to the already made image).
Having trouble? Read slower.

Ok, so we are in disk Management.

12. Left Click on the unallocated section and digonal lines will appear.
13. Now Right click it and select "New Partition" and "The Partition" Wizard
will appear.
14. Click 'Next', A screen 'Specify Partition Size' will appear.

"Remember now that XR2 requires some of the unallocated space, so leave some
of the unallocatted space after creating the D: partition.

Now our existing backup partition is appx 4 Gb, leave enough unallocated
space, say, 16Gb (16000Mb) after creating D: for XR2 to use. This gives
XR2 16Gb + the already used 4Gb to play with (20Gb). I my opinion, that's
more than plenty."

In step 14 above we specify 430000Mb (430Gb), Press Next
15. Assign it the next available drive letter (which depending on your
system may not be 'D' but doesn't matter). Press Next
16. 'Format Partition' Don't change anything here except select, 'Perform
Quick Format' and Press Next
17. Click 'Finish' on the 'Partition Wizard'
Now look again at the Disk Manager. You will have two partitions for your
use, some unallocated space and finally, the backup partition.

If you've made an error calculating the size of your 'New Partiton' and
haven't left enough unallocated space, then you can select the 'New
Partition' and delete it. This will put all the unallocated space back
together and you can start over from step 12.

This has been as much a learning experiance for me as I hope it's been for
you and hope you find it helpful.
It's wriiten with the newbie in mind.
Thanks to all those who inputed in this thread. I feel I've made some good
friends, for that, thankyou.

Mickey
Ps.
I could contact Laurel and Hardy (Gigabyte tech support) and show them how
to use
their own program, but a pie in the face would be too much of a temptation.

phew! i think i'm going to stick with acronis after all. xr2 looks like
it's the spruce goose....
great on paper but never intended to fly...

 

[Mickey Mouse]

phew! i think i'm going to stick with acronis after all. xr2 looks like
it's the spruce goose....
great on paper but never intended to fly...

My instructional was very longwinded, intended really for someone who hasn't
partitioned a drive before.
In fact it's very simple to install and very quick. I may have
unintentionally made it sound harder than it really is.

Since you choose to knock it, then you must be someone that's tried it and
chose not to use it. I'd hate to think that
you may never have heard of it or tried it, and just knocking it for the
sake of it.
Pity.

 

[Edward W. Thompson]

Multi-partitioned system.

Ok, here's the last part, this time I'm going to use the same hypothetical
system as last time.
I'll create two partitions C:300Gb & D:430 and install XR2.
If your system has two physical drives then make sure that the drive which
will hold the system files C: is drive (0).
Mb or Gb numbers I show here are fitional, but close enough and doesn't
matter, they won't impact on this installation.

Make sure the bios is set up to boot from CD.

1 Insert the XP installation disk and power down.
2 Power up and boot from CD, when asked.
3. At the XP Setup Screen delete any and all partitions.
4. Unpartitioned space will be shown, press <C> to create a partition.
5. Enter the size in MB how large you want C: to be; here 300000Mb and
press <Enter>.
6 You will then see on the next screen the C: is 300000Mb & the rest
'Unpartitoned Space'.

You could now create a D: partition but we won't. Just press Enter on the
highlighted C: partition to install Windows.

7. On the next screen, format the partition. "Quick" if you want to save
some time.
XP will continue to install, let it install completely.
8. When XP is installed load and install your drivers including your VGA
driver if it comes on a seperate cd.
9. Remove the cd from the cdrom and reboot.
You now have an installed Windows XP system.

A look at the Disk Manager will show, C: Drive(0), appx. 300Gb Healthy
(system) and appx. 450Gb of unallocated space.

10. Insert your mobo disk and power down.
11. Power up and press F9 at the appropriate time to install XR2

The Xpress Recovery2 Screen will appear giving you the options to
'Backup','Restore', 'Remove' or 'Boot' or similar.
Do not 'Remove' - Press Backup! and it might ask to 'Overwrite the
Existing Image' - Say YES.
When you say YES you will see 'BACKUP NOW' on the screen. It is now
creating the image, and creating it's own
protected partition. When the image is created, (of your C: partition
including the system files) and saved into it's own partition
it will then reboot your system back to XP.
At this point you may remove your mobo disk and store it.
What you have done so far is created a C: partition, formatted it,
installed Win XP and installed Xpress recover2.
If this is your first time, then congratulations.

Now we need to create our D: partition.

In Windows go to the Disk manager: Start> right click 'My computer'

You will see that Drive(0) is C: appx 300Gb and an amout of unallocated
space appx 446Gb. and another new partition of appx. 4Gb. This is your
image partition.
What we need to do now is to take some of that unallocated space and turn
it into D:, but leaving enough unallocated for XR2
to utilize when making further backups (to add to the already made image).
Having trouble? Read slower.

Ok, so we are in disk Management.

12. Left Click on the unallocated section and digonal lines will appear.
13. Now Right click it and select "New Partition" and "The Partition"
Wizard will appear.
14. Click 'Next', A screen 'Specify Partition Size' will appear.

"Remember now that XR2 requires some of the unallocated space, so leave
some of the unallocatted space after creating the D: partition.

Now our existing backup partition is appx 4 Gb, leave enough unallocated
space, say, 16Gb (16000Mb) after creating D: for XR2 to use. This
gives XR2 16Gb + the already used 4Gb to play with (20Gb). I my opinion,
that's more than plenty."

In step 14 above we specify 430000Mb (430Gb), Press Next
15. Assign it the next available drive letter (which depending on your
system may not be 'D' but doesn't matter). Press Next
16. 'Format Partition' Don't change anything here except select,
'Perform Quick Format' and Press Next
17. Click 'Finish' on the 'Partition Wizard'
Now look again at the Disk Manager. You will have two partitions for your
use, some unallocated space and finally, the backup partition.

If you've made an error calculating the size of your 'New Partiton' and
haven't left enough unallocated space, then you can select the 'New
Partition' and delete it. This will put all the unallocated space back
together and you can start over from step 12.

This has been as much a learning experiance for me as I hope it's been for
you and hope you find it helpful.
It's wriiten with the newbie in mind.
Thanks to all those who inputed in this thread. I feel I've made some
good friends, for that, thankyou.

Mickey
Ps.
I could contact Laurel and Hardy (Gigabyte tech support) and show them how
to use
their own program, but a pie in the face would be too much of a
temptation.

Are you implying that XPR2 can only be installed on a new installation? In
my case I am just about to 'upgrade my existing setup using a new Gigabyte
board. I intend to simply install the new hardware and plug in the existing
SATA HDDs (3) all loaded, run WINXP repair and with luck all should be well
(load all appropriate new software of course). Now if I want to use or try
XPR2, what do I do?

I have ample free 'space' on the HDD on which XP is installed (haven't
checked yet whether it is Drive (0)) but the drive is fully partitioned. I
assume I need to shuffle data around and create some 'unallocated' space on
that drive and proceed as you described. Does the unallocated space need to
be adjacent to the C: partition where WINXP resides or doesn't it matter?

 

[Anna]

Are you implying that XPR2 can only be installed on a new installation?
In my case I am just about to 'upgrade my existing setup using a new
Gigabyte board. I intend to simply install the new hardware and plug in
the existing SATA HDDs (3) all loaded, run WINXP repair and with luck all
should be well (load all appropriate new software of course). Now if I
want to use or try XPR2, what do I do?

I have ample free 'space' on the HDD on which XP is installed (haven't
checked yet whether it is Drive (0)) but the drive is fully partitioned.
I assume I need to shuffle data around and create some 'unallocated' space
on that drive and proceed as you described. Does the unallocated space
need to be adjacent to the C: partition where WINXP resides or doesn't it
matter?

Edward (and Mickey if he's tuned in)...
As you may have seen from this continuing "saga", I indicated to Mickey that
I was planning to build a desktop machine this week using one of the newer
Gigabyte motherboards. So I would take the opportunity to install and work
with their Xpress Recovery2 program. Actually I've installed scores of
Gigabyte system boards but I never installed nor worked with that XR2
program. Primarily because (as I mentioned to Mickey when we were discussing
the Acronis & Casper programs) that I'm simply not comfortable with the idea
installing a backup-type program on the *same* physical HDD a user would be
planning to restore should that be necessary. The obvious question being
"What if the HDD involved becomes defective? What then?" Obviously there
would be no way to access the backed-up contents, right?

But setting that scenario aside, Mickey makes the point that the XR2 program
would be particularly valuable for a user who has no use, i.e., "desire", to
maintain a third-party backup system. That all they want is a simple
one-click operation (the "magic dust" solution) that will restore their
system to a bootable, functional state in the event of a corrupted OS that
results in an unbootable or otherwise dysfunctional system. So perhaps
Mickey is on to something here and this XR2 could prove useful to those
types of users (who I readily admit are plentiful!). This, even though I did
my best to convince Mickey of the simplicity of the Casper 5 disk-cloning
program.

Anyway, for what it's worth here's my experience with the XR2 program (at
least based upon "playing around" with the program for the first time...

1. As Mickey (and Gigabyte) recommend, when fresh-installing the XP OS the
user would set aside on his or her HDD 10 GB of unallocated disk space.
Should the XP OS been previously installed and the disk contains no
unallocated disk space (or considerably less than 10 GB of unallocated
space), the user could use a partition management tool such as Partition
Manager or that (freebie) EASEUS Partition Manager program to free-up the
suggested 10 GB of unallocated disk space.

2. Upon the next boot the user would then install/access the XR2 program by
simply pressing the F9 key during bootup and then click on the Backup
button. The program will then go through the process of backing up the OS.

3. Just to test the program, after fresh-installing the OS and adding a few
programs & other data to the HDD - the total data contents on the HDD came
to about 6.5 GB.

4. When the user desires to backup the OS at some later date, the user could
again press the F9 key to access the program and backup the current OS. It
took the XR2 program about 42 minutes to backup 5.6 GB of data (apparently
the OS files). Not exactly a speed demon! Keep in mind I was working with a
system with a high-end Gigabyte board, an Intel Quad-Core processor, and
four GB of RAM.

5. I deliberately corrupted and/or deleted a number of system files so that
the system could not boot.

6. To restore the system the user presses the F9 button and then selects the
Restore process. The restore process (in our example) took considerably less
time to complete compared with the backup operation - about 24 minutes -,
but we're not normally concerned with that time. The crucial point, of
course, is whether the restore process will be successful in returning the
system to a bootable, functional state.

7. After verifying that the system was indeed unbootable, I rebooted and
pressed the F9 key. Sure enough the system was returned to a bootable,
functional state and as far as I could tell all programs, data, etc. were
returned intact.

I tried the above twice, and both times experienced no problems with the
backup/restore operations (aside from the inordinate amount of time the
program needed to backup the OS).

Assuming the program is reliable, it may be the kind of backup program that
will prove useful to some users who desire only a simple backup program (as
Mickey has pointed out) to return their system to a bootable, functional
state when the OS becomes corrupted for one reason or another. Presumably
those users are uninterested in working with a more comprehensive backup
system that would be used with some degree of frequency. Or the program may
hold some allure for users who also want a secondary backup system involving
their OS. Since only a relatively few gigabytes are needed for the XR2
program this could be a consideration.
Anna

 

[Mickey Mouse]

Are you implying that XPR2 can only be installed on a new installation?
In my case I am just about to 'upgrade my existing setup using a new
Gigabyte board. I intend to simply install the new hardware and plug in
the existing SATA HDDs (3) all loaded, run WINXP repair and with luck all
should be well (load all appropriate new software of course). Now if I
want to use or try XPR2, what do I do?

You should be able to install and use XR2 on your system. The only concern
to you would

be the configuration of your haddrive and of course pre existing unallocated
space. read my tut. In my reserch of XR2 and testing, it installed

and worked fine many times. The only problem I've found since, is trying to
install it with two physical drives.





My two physical drives, one with one partition E, and one with two
partitions C: & D: XR2 didn't work.

The way I did get it to work was, my E: physical drive is drive(0) and my
physical system drive C: which also houses D: is drive (1)

It appears in this case your system drive must be drive(1) All partitions in
my system are primary.

Try it out on your not new system..lol the way I've got mine and it should
work. Worked for me (multiple trials)

Remember the big drawback, it uses the drive it finds the system on to make
it's own protected partition.

In a mechanical harddrive failure your screwed. XR2 is great for restoring
a badly misbehaving system due to perhaps damaged software etc..

Just hit F9 and your back to your fresh installation pronto.



There has been much discussion regarding Acronis, DriveImage& Casper etc...
and frankly these are much better and more versitile but not as easy to use.

(I'm gonna get whacked for saying that) So consider these before you make up
your mind. I'm sticking with XR2 for now, once installed it's a dream and
so simple.

I think anyone who uses XR2 will tell you that.



If you have trouble and wish to continue with XR2 , email me at
(e-mail address removed)

and we can go over it step by step that way, instead of filling up this
newsgroup. I'd like to

not bore people anymore than I have been.



Mickey

I have ample free 'space' on the HDD on which XP is installed (haven't
checked yet whether it is Drive (0)) but the drive is fully partitioned.
I assume I need to shuffle data around and create some 'unallocated' space
on that drive and proceed as you described. Does the unallocated space
need to be adjacent to the C: partition where WINXP resides or doesn't it
matter?

Yep, same drive. Let me be clear, I'm no tech, little more than an
advanced novice perhaps only

wishing to assist in any way I can. You got people here like Anna, Daave,
Ken and others for the real tech

stuff.. They really know what they are doing, I think...lol



I don't think you can create unallocated space unless you can delete some
unwanted partition.

If you have a partiton, say, E: with some files on it, perhaps you can move
those file to another

partition, then delete the E: or whatever it is. you'll need enough
unallocalled to be sufficient.



My C: system drive partition is now loaded with all my inportant
applications.



The system, including drivers, Nero, Office2003, paintshop pro, and
hardware(printers, scanner)

and a few odds and ends all come to around 10gig installed. I've set aside
100gig unallocated and XR2 has only used

9 gig for it's backup/image. So depending on how much unallocated you need
depends on you, but even 50gig

would be more than enough.

Don't be afraid to ask, there is no stupid question. 15 luv and the balls
in your court!





Mickey.

I got a sense of humor if nothing else.

 

[ushere]

My instructional was very longwinded, intended really for someone who
hasn't partitioned a drive before. In fact it's very simple to
install and very quick. I may have unintentionally made it sound
harder than it really is.

Since you choose to knock it, then you must be someone that's tried
it and chose not to use it. I'd hate to think that you may never
have heard of it or tried it, and just knocking it for the sake of
it. Pity.

i've attempted a few times, since i beleieved it looked simpler than
acronis (which is about as simple as it gets!). but no matter how i
tried (winxp, 2 xHD's both partitioned equally) all i ever got was the
error 'can't allocate space' or whatever it is - it's mentioned in this
thread.

i do not knock that which i do not know - but neither do i have the time
to waste trying to understand the unexplainable ;-)

 

[Mickey Mouse]

i've attempted a few times, since i beleieved it looked simpler than
acronis (which is about as simple as it gets!). but no matter how i
tried (winxp, 2 xHD's both partitioned equally) all i ever got was the
error 'can't allocate space' or whatever it is - it's mentioned in this
thread.

i do not knock that which i do not know - but neither do i have the time
to waste trying to understand the unexplainable ;-)

Hi ushere,
Yes, it is simpler than setting up Acronis. The stupid damn thing has to be
setup it's way though.
See me screen shot in the message I just posted. My previous tutorial was
for a single drive system.
You have two drives, like me.
see the pic.
Hope it helps.

Mickey

 

[ushere]

Hi ushere, Yes, it is simpler than setting up Acronis. The stupid
damn thing has to be setup it's way though. See me screen shot in the
message I just posted. My previous tutorial was for a single drive
system. You have two drives, like me. see the pic. Hope it helps.

Mickey

thanks mickey, you time and patience will hopefully be well rewarded,
though whether in this lifetime or not remains to be seen ;-)

i shall look into it on my next system since both my hd's are now not
only partitioned, but formatted with data...

again, thanks

leslie

 

[Edward W. Thompson]

Edward (and Mickey if he's tuned in)...
As you may have seen from this continuing "saga", I indicated to Mickey
that I was planning to build a desktop machine this week using one of the
newer Gigabyte motherboards. So I would take the opportunity to install
and work with their Xpress Recovery2 program. Actually I've installed
scores of Gigabyte system boards but I never installed nor worked with
that XR2 program. Primarily because (as I mentioned to Mickey when we were
discussing the Acronis & Casper programs) that I'm simply not comfortable
with the idea installing a backup-type program on the *same* physical HDD
a user would be planning to restore should that be necessary. The obvious
question being "What if the HDD involved becomes defective? What then?"
Obviously there would be no way to access the backed-up contents, right?

But setting that scenario aside, Mickey makes the point that the XR2
program would be particularly valuable for a user who has no use, i.e.,
"desire", to maintain a third-party backup system. That all they want is a
simple one-click operation (the "magic dust" solution) that will restore
their system to a bootable, functional state in the event of a corrupted
OS that results in an unbootable or otherwise dysfunctional system. So
perhaps Mickey is on to something here and this XR2 could prove useful to
those types of users (who I readily admit are plentiful!). This, even
though I did my best to convince Mickey of the simplicity of the Casper 5
disk-cloning program.

Anyway, for what it's worth here's my experience with the XR2 program (at
least based upon "playing around" with the program for the first time...

1. As Mickey (and Gigabyte) recommend, when fresh-installing the XP OS the
user would set aside on his or her HDD 10 GB of unallocated disk space.
Should the XP OS been previously installed and the disk contains no
unallocated disk space (or considerably less than 10 GB of unallocated
space), the user could use a partition management tool such as Partition
Manager or that (freebie) EASEUS Partition Manager program to free-up the
suggested 10 GB of unallocated disk space.

2. Upon the next boot the user would then install/access the XR2 program
by simply pressing the F9 key during bootup and then click on the Backup
button. The program will then go through the process of backing up the OS.

3. Just to test the program, after fresh-installing the OS and adding a
few programs & other data to the HDD - the total data contents on the HDD
came to about 6.5 GB.

4. When the user desires to backup the OS at some later date, the user
could again press the F9 key to access the program and backup the current
OS. It took the XR2 program about 42 minutes to backup 5.6 GB of data
(apparently the OS files). Not exactly a speed demon! Keep in mind I was
working with a system with a high-end Gigabyte board, an Intel Quad-Core
processor, and four GB of RAM.

5. I deliberately corrupted and/or deleted a number of system files so
that the system could not boot.

6. To restore the system the user presses the F9 button and then selects
the Restore process. The restore process (in our example) took
considerably less time to complete compared with the backup operation -
about 24 minutes -, but we're not normally concerned with that time. The
crucial point, of course, is whether the restore process will be
successful in returning the system to a bootable, functional state.

7. After verifying that the system was indeed unbootable, I rebooted and
pressed the F9 key. Sure enough the system was returned to a bootable,
functional state and as far as I could tell all programs, data, etc. were
returned intact.

I tried the above twice, and both times experienced no problems with the
backup/restore operations (aside from the inordinate amount of time the
program needed to backup the OS).

Assuming the program is reliable, it may be the kind of backup program
that will prove useful to some users who desire only a simple backup
program (as Mickey has pointed out) to return their system to a bootable,
functional state when the OS becomes corrupted for one reason or another.
Presumably those users are uninterested in working with a more
comprehensive backup system that would be used with some degree of
frequency. Or the program may hold some allure for users who also want a
secondary backup system involving their OS. Since only a relatively few
gigabytes are needed for the XR2 program this could be a consideration.
Anna

Thanks Anna, especially the info on time to backup and restore using XR2.
While I am somewhat paranoid over backup, I think life is simply to short to
bother with XR2 when alternatives such as Acronis and others are so simple
and quick and provide better security, that is backing up to external and
other internal HDDs.
I appreciate the possible attraction to XR2 by those who are 'software
illiterate' but XR2 is only a part of the 'solution' if it is confined to
creating backups to the same drive to which the OS is installed.
Thanks to all contributors for a very interesting thread.

 

[Anna]

thanks mickey, you time and patience will hopefully be well rewarded,
though whether in this lifetime or not remains to be seen ;-)

i shall look into it on my next system since both my hd's are now not
only partitioned, but formatted with data...

again, thanks

leslie

leslie:
I don't know if you've seen my recent post of 1/21 where I went into some
detail re installing the Xpress Recovery2 program and how it's used for
backup & restore purposes.

I just wanted to mention (as I indicated in that post) that even though the
HDD you would want to install the XR2 program on presently contains no
unallocated disk space, you could still use a freely available program such
as the EASEUS Partition Manager program - see
http://www.partition-tool.com/personal.htm - to provide the necessary amount
of unallocated disk space.

And, of course if you have available the more-or-less commercial standard,
Partition Magic, you can of course use that program.

So that you should be easily able to shrink your present partition by 10 GB
in order to create that amount of unallocated disk space recommended by
Gigabyte's XR2 program. I might mention that in our tests the program
actually needed about 6 GB of disk space to back up the XP-SP3 OS. But it
probably would be wise to have 10 GB available for the program to anticipate
possible future data increases impacting on the OS.
Anna

 

[Mickey Mouse]

Hi Anna,
It appears you have no trouble with setting up XR2. So glad to hear that
but please don't recommend 10Gb to anyone.
It's simply not enough! Instead, allocate 15Gb, much more practicle.
I'd really be interested in your thoughts as to how difficult it is to use
and how difficult it is to set up. I know it won't replace your
Casper, but I'm sure it will be at least a tempory alternative for some, I'd
be interested in your thoughts anyway.
I bought Acronis 9 some time ago when it was first released, I tried then to
get a handle on it but found it a little to difficult at that time.
I'm a little more savy now so I'm looking at it again although in reality,
XR2 does what I need..

Mickey

 

[Anna]

Hi Anna,
It appears you have no trouble with setting up XR2. So glad to hear that
but please don't recommend 10Gb to anyone.
It's simply not enough! Instead, allocate 15Gb, much more practicle.
I'd really be interested in your thoughts as to how difficult it is to use
and how difficult it is to set up. I know it won't replace your
Casper, but I'm sure it will be at least a tempory alternative for some,
I'd be interested in your thoughts anyway.
I bought Acronis 9 some time ago when it was first released, I tried then
to get a handle on it but found it a little to difficult at that time.
I'm a little more savy now so I'm looking at it again although in reality,
XR2 does what I need..

Hi Anna,
It appears you have no trouble with setting up XR2. So glad to hear that
but please don't recommend 10Gb to anyone.
It's simply not enough! Instead, allocate 15Gb, much more practicle.
I'd really be interested in your thoughts as to how difficult it is to use
and how difficult it is to set up. I know it won't replace your
Casper, but I'm sure it will be at least a tempory alternative for some,
I'd be interested in your thoughts anyway.
I bought Acronis 9 some time ago when it was first released, I tried then
to get a handle on it but found it a little to difficult at that time.
I'm a little more savy now so I'm looking at it again although in reality,
XR2 does what I need..

Mickey

Mickey:
Well, as far as installing & using XR2, both operations were rather simple &
straightforward as I indicated in my post describing those operations.
Potential users should understand that this is a *Gigabyte-provided program*
that's included as a separate program with the Gigabyte motherboard
installation CD and, of course, oriented to that company's motherboards. I
do not know if this program is available as a standalone application from
any other source.

As I also indicated, while it may be useful for a body of users who just
want the simplest of backup-type programs in the event their OS becomes
corrupt and unbootable or the OS becomes dysfunctional for some reason or
other, this program may prove useful to that body of users. (I'm assuming
here that the program proves reliable in operation. I've used the program
only a few times for testing purposes.)

The program, however, has significant drawbacks (at least to my mind) when
compared with a comprehensive disk-cloning and/or disk-imaging program such
as the Acronis True Image or (as you know!) my particular favorite, the
Casper 5 program.

Probably the most significant negative is that the backup of the OS resides
on the same physical drive as the OS. So should the HDD become defective,
there's no way for the user to restore the system. That's a rather dramatic
negative to my mine. But as long as a user is willing to live with that
knowledge the program may have some appeal for him or her.

Then the backup operation of the OS is glacially slow at least based on the
few times I used the program to back up the OS as I described in my previous
post. It certainly isn't designed to be used as a routine OS backup program.
Most users would balk at using the program on any kind of a frequent basis
given the lengthy amount of time the program takes to back up just the OS.
But again, this might not be terribly important to many users who just want
to back up their OS on an infrequent basis.

Potential users should understand that XR2 is *not* a comprehensive backup
program. Unlike programs such as the Casper & Acronis ones which, in effect,
back up one's *entire* system, including the OS, all programs &
applications, all personal data, etc., XR2 is designed solely to back up
one's OS at a particular point-in-time. Again, that might be an acceptable
program for some users.

I'm not sure why you recommend setting aside more than 10 GB (which is
recommended by the program) for the "unallocated" disk space for the program
to install itself and house the backup data. As I indicated in my previous
post the program utilized just under 6 GB in backing up an XP-SP3 installed
OS. The program can apparently draw on any remaining unallocated disk space
should it need to, depending of course, on the original amount of
unallocated disk space the user made available. Obviously you must have a
reason for recommending the establishment of 15 GB of unallocated disk
space. What is it?

Anyway, assuming a user has a Gigabyte-system board and the XR2 program can
be installed on that system, then he or she may want to use that program as
a kind of secondary backup system since only a relatively few gigabytes of
disk space need be set aside to utilize the program. Frankly, I think a user
would be far better off using a more comprehensive backup program such as
the Casper 5 program that we previously discussed and one that a user could
routinely use simply, frequently & relatively quickly to back up one's
complete system. But surely the XR2 program is better than nothing as
regards a backup-type program.
Anna

 

[ushere]

leslie: I don't know if you've seen my recent post of 1/21 where

The program, however, has significant drawbacks (at least to my mind)
when compared with a comprehensive disk-cloning and/or disk-imaging
program such as the Acronis True Image or (as you know!) my
particular favorite, the Casper 5 program.

Probably the most significant negative is that the backup of the OS
resides on the same physical drive as the OS. So should the HDD
become defective, there's no way for the user to restore the system.
That's a rather dramatic negative to my mine. But as long as a user
is willing to live with that knowledge the program may have some
appeal for him or her.

Then the backup operation of the OS is glacially slow at least based
on the few times I used the program to back up the OS as I described
in my previous post. It certainly isn't designed to be used as a
routine OS backup program. Most users would balk at using the program
on any kind of a frequent basis given the lengthy amount of time the
program takes to back up just the OS. But again, this might not be
terribly important to many users who just want to back up their OS on
an infrequent basis.

Potential users should understand that XR2 is *not* a comprehensive
backup program. Unlike programs such as the Casper & Acronis ones
which, in effect, back up one's *entire* system, including the OS,
all programs & applications, all personal data, etc., XR2 is designed
solely to back up one's OS at a particular point-in-time. Again, that
might be an acceptable program for some users.

all good enough points for me to NOT even bother looking at it again.

i'm surprised that it backs up onto the same hd? if that's the case, oh
boy, someone wasn't thinking too clearly. if not, that's as it should be.

i also didn't realise it didn't back up 'everything', just os. same
comment as above....

i think i'll stick with acronis - better the devil you know....

 

[Mickey Mouse]

Probably the most significant negative is that the backup of the OS
resides on the same physical drive as the OS. So should the HDD become
defective, there's no way for the user to restore the system. That's a
rather dramatic negative to my mine. But as long as a user is willing to
live with that knowledge the program may have some appeal for him or her.

I appreciate your comment but I have a recurring thought.
In a hypothetical, If you use Casper for instance and backup to another
drive,
and that drive has a mechanicle failure, aren't you in the same boat?
Also, if your backup harddrive fails, would you know it before you need it?
Just a thought Anna.

Then the backup operation of the OS is glacially slow at least based on
the few times I used the program to back up the OS as I described in my
previous post. It certainly isn't designed to be used as a routine OS
backup program. Most users would balk at using the program on any kind of
a frequent basis given the lengthy amount of time the program takes to
back up just the OS. But again, this might not be terribly important to
many users who just want to back up their OS on an infrequent basis.

I've backup my now system in just under 23mins, I don't consuder that slow,
but conpared to other programs such as Casper,Acronis etc. it may very well
be
slow. I'm prepared to wear 23mins though. I haven't rstored and hope I
don't need to,
but I believe the restoration is quicker.
I don't believe also that it's designed to be used on a frequent basis. For
me and my needs
I simply install the OS and important Apps and back up. Then I'm fairly
confident that if
need be I have a backup/image to restore if my system corrupts.

Potential users should understand that XR2 is *not* a comprehensive backup
program. Unlike programs such as the Casper & Acronis ones which, in
effect, back up one's *entire* system, including the OS, all programs &
applications, all personal data, etc., XR2 is designed solely to back up
one's OS at a particular point-in-time. Again, that might be an acceptable
program for some users.

This comment sounds like it only backs up the OS. I may be mis-reading it.
It does backup/image the OS plus the installed App. therefore the WHOLE
partition. XR2 does not however have all the bells and whistles, and is not
as you say
'comprehensive' such as the others, which in effect makes them the better
programs.
I understand this, and accept it for what it's worth.

I'm not sure why you recommend setting aside more than 10 GB (which is
recommended by the program) for the "unallocated" disk space for the
program to install itself and house the backup data. As I indicated in my
previous post the program utilized just under 6 GB in backing up an XP-SP3
installed OS. The program can apparently draw on any remaining unallocated
disk space should it need to, depending of course, on the original amount
of unallocated disk space the user made available. Obviously you must have
a reason for recommending the establishment of 15 GB of unallocated disk
space. What is it?

'recommended by the program' Hmm, my chinese friends, Laurel and Hardy at
Gigabyte
also in thier correspondance recommend 10Gb of unallocated space.
I do have a reason for suggesting more.
I've installed my OS and drivers, Microsoft updates, printer drivers and
software, scanner
drivers and software, modem and software, Nero7, Paintshop pro, office 2003.
Looking at Disk manager indicates my XR2 has used 9.1 gb.
Now I haven't even installed Dreamveaver yet let alone what else I'm going
to install.
I imagine my next backup image may be over 10gb. XR2 will only operate if
their is
sufficient unallocate. If there is only 10gb unallocated then that's all it
can use.

But surely the XR2 program is better than nothing as regards a backup-type
program.
Anna

Yeah, I think so.

Mickey

 

[Mickey Mouse]

..

all good enough points for me to NOT even bother looking at it again.

i'm surprised that it backs up onto the same hd? if that's the case, oh
boy, someone wasn't thinking too clearly. if not, that's as it should be.

i also didn't realise it didn't back up 'everything', just os. same
comment as above....

i think i'll stick with acronis - better the devil you know....

Ushere,
It's unfortunate that people like myself have endure your comments.

This is the second posting of yours and I do agree that you should stick
with Acronis, it is afterall the better program.
Your postings have neither been helpful, informative, enquiring, positive
or open minded.
This whole thread has been a discussion from open minded people with a lack
of the narrow
mindedness that you exhibit.
Please reconsider your negativity before you post another, your not helpful
and not appreciated.

My intension is not to insult you, but at times things need to be said.

Mickey