XP Workgroup Share Write

[Guest]

I am trying to set up a network. All of our individual PCs run either
Windows 2000 SP4 or XP. The computer are all currently connected via LAN. I
am attempted to set up our brand new XP professional machine as a file
server. I set one of its harddrives to be "shared", and set the access to
the subfolders between two groups of users (those with full control and those
with read-only type privledges). I set these settings by manually entering
each user's name (which was also set up under users on the control panel).

When logging on to the server as any of the users from the remote PCs (full
control users included), I cannot upload files to the server. I get the
error "Cannot copy xxxxx. Access is denied. The source file may be in use."
I don't understand why that would even be an issue on copying, but that is
neither here nor there.

I assume this has to do with the XP firewall, but it seems that I have
everything set up as far as I can tell. Please help. Thank you.

 

[Malke]

I am trying to set up a network. All of our individual PCs run either
Windows 2000 SP4 or XP. The computer are all currently connected via LAN. I
am attempted to set up our brand new XP professional machine as a file
server. I set one of its harddrives to be "shared", and set the access to
the subfolders between two groups of users (those with full control and those
with read-only type privledges). I set these settings by manually entering
each user's name (which was also set up under users on the control panel).

When logging on to the server as any of the users from the remote PCs (full
control users included), I cannot upload files to the server. I get the
error "Cannot copy xxxxx. Access is denied. The source file may be in use."
I don't understand why that would even be an issue on copying, but that is
neither here nor there.

I assume this has to do with the XP firewall, but it seems that I have
everything set up as far as I can tell. Please help. Thank you.

This doesn't sound like a firewall issue to me. Did you remember to
disable Simple Sharing on the XP Pro box? Find it under the View tab in
Folder Options.

Also, how many computers are hitting that XP Pro box? You may be running
into the inbound concurrent connections limitation:

http://support.microsoft.com/?id=314882

5 for XP Home
10 for XP Pro/Tablet/MCE
49 for SBS 2000
74 for SBS 2003
Unlimited for full Server O/Ses

Please be aware that the limitations apply to connections, not
computers. One computer can - and often does - make more than one
connection to another machine.


Malke

 

[Guest]

This doesn't sound like a firewall issue to me. Did you remember to
disable Simple Sharing on the XP Pro box? Find it under the View tab in
Folder Options.

Also, how many computers are hitting that XP Pro box? You may be running
into the inbound concurrent connections limitation:

http://support.microsoft.com/?id=314882

5 for XP Home
10 for XP Pro/Tablet/MCE
49 for SBS 2000
74 for SBS 2003
Unlimited for full Server O/Ses

Please be aware that the limitations apply to connections, not
computers. One computer can - and often does - make more than one
connection to another machine.


Malke
--
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
"Don't Panic!"
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User

Thank you for your response. This is the first connection ever made to the
XP machine, and no other computers are connected to it. Is there a way to
find out how many connections there are between the machines?

I have disabled the simple file sharing.

What else could it be?

 

[Malke]

Thank you for your response. This is the first connection ever made to the
XP machine, and no other computers are connected to it. Is there a way to
find out how many connections there are between the machines?

I have disabled the simple file sharing.

What else could it be?

I don't quite understand what you are saying. In your first post, you
said you had other computers running either Win2k or XP. Now you say
this is the first connection made to this particular machine? I thought
you said you already had a lan and you talk about logging into a server
and that this machine you are setting up will be a pseudo-server. Since
I can't see your computer and your network, here are my general network
troubleshooting tips. You may have already done some of the work, but it
never hurts to check. If you need more help and post back, please answer
the question I asked you about how many computers are in your network
using this new machine as a pseudo-server.

This is most commonly caused by a misconfigured firewall. Run the
Network Setup Wizard on all XP computers, making sure to enable File &
Printer Sharing, and reboot. The only "gotcha" is that this will turn on
the XPSP2 Windows Firewall. If you aren't running a third-party firewall
or have an antivirus with "Internet Worm Protection" (like Norton
2005/06) which acts as a firewall, then you're fine. If you have
third-party firewall software, configure it to allow the Local Area
Network traffic as trusted. I usually do this with my firewalls with an
IP range. Ex. would be 192.168.1.0-192.168.1.254. Obviously you would
substitute your correct subnet. IIRC, you need to configure firewalls
and file sharing on the Win2k boxen manually.

If one or more of the computers is XP Pro or Media Center:

a. If you need Pro's ability to set fine-grained permissions, turn off
Simple File Sharing (Folder Options>View tab) and create identical user
accounts/passwords on all computers.

b. If you don't care about using Pro's advanced features, leave the
Simple File Sharing enabled.

Simple File Sharing means that Guest (network) is enabled. This means
that anyone without a user account on the target system can use its
resources. This is a security hole but only you can decide if it matters
in your situation.

Then create shares as desired. XP Home does not permit sharing of users'
home directories (My Documents) or Program Files, but you can share
folders inside those directories. A better choice is to simply use the
Shared Documents folder.

If that doesn't work for you, here is an excellent network
troubleshooter by MVP Hans-Georg Michna. Take the time to go through it
and it will usually pinpoint the problem area(s) -
http://winhlp.com/wxnet.htm


Malke

 

[Guest]

I get the error "Cannot copy xxxxx. Access is denied. The source file may be in use."

This is almost always due to an NTFS permissions problem. Which is likely,
since you say you're setting permissions on subfolders of the share.

Is the share inside a folder like a user's "My Documents" that might already
have special permissions? Generally it's best to create shares outside of
such areas.

A fact often overlooked is that NTFS permissions don't work the way you
might logically think they should. For instance, if you move a file between a
"General" and a "Restricted" folder, that does NOT make the file restricted,
instead you end-up with a publicly-accessible file inside the "Restricted"
folder. Which is almost certainly not what you intended.

To avoid these problems, I suggest setting permissions only on the share
itself, and making the NTFS permisisons read/write to Authenticated Users.
Sure this is less flexible but at least it behaves in the expected manner.

The other situation where you encounter this type of error is if the server
is demanding signed communications, but the clients cannot comply. This
mainly affects 2003 servers with Win9x clients.

 

[Guest]

I don't quite understand what you are saying. In your first post, you
said you had other computers running either Win2k or XP. Now you say
this is the first connection made to this particular machine? I thought
you said you already had a lan and you talk about logging into a server
and that this machine you are setting up will be a pseudo-server. Since
I can't see your computer and your network, here are my general network
troubleshooting tips. You may have already done some of the work, but it
never hurts to check. If you need more help and post back, please answer
the question I asked you about how many computers are in your network
using this new machine as a pseudo-server.

This is most commonly caused by a misconfigured firewall. Run the
Network Setup Wizard on all XP computers, making sure to enable File &
Printer Sharing, and reboot. The only "gotcha" is that this will turn on
the XPSP2 Windows Firewall. If you aren't running a third-party firewall
or have an antivirus with "Internet Worm Protection" (like Norton
2005/06) which acts as a firewall, then you're fine. If you have
third-party firewall software, configure it to allow the Local Area
Network traffic as trusted. I usually do this with my firewalls with an
IP range. Ex. would be 192.168.1.0-192.168.1.254. Obviously you would
substitute your correct subnet. IIRC, you need to configure firewalls
and file sharing on the Win2k boxen manually.

If one or more of the computers is XP Pro or Media Center:

a. If you need Pro's ability to set fine-grained permissions, turn off
Simple File Sharing (Folder Options>View tab) and create identical user
accounts/passwords on all computers.

b. If you don't care about using Pro's advanced features, leave the
Simple File Sharing enabled.

Simple File Sharing means that Guest (network) is enabled. This means
that anyone without a user account on the target system can use its
resources. This is a security hole but only you can decide if it matters
in your situation.

Then create shares as desired. XP Home does not permit sharing of users'
home directories (My Documents) or Program Files, but you can share
folders inside those directories. A better choice is to simply use the
Shared Documents folder.

If that doesn't work for you, here is an excellent network
troubleshooter by MVP Hans-Georg Michna. Take the time to go through it
and it will usually pinpoint the problem area(s) -
http://winhlp.com/wxnet.htm


Malke
--
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
"Don't Panic!"
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User

Hmmmm. Nothing seems to be working. Please let me clarify a few things:

When I say that there is only one connection, that is because I have never
tried to logon to the server from a PC besides the one.

Also, the shared folder is the "D:" drive, which is a hard drive installed
specifically to be shared. I remember seeing warnings about sharing a root,
but since it wasn't the C: drive, I ignored them.