XP/W2K Prom Peer to Peer Network Problems

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Hi, I'm having problems setting up a W2K Pro/XP Pro P2P network.

Configuration: comcast broadband, linksys wrt54g wireless router. xp pro pc
(A) rj45 connected to router,
xp pro pc (B) wireless connection to router & dell c400 notebook (C) w2k pro
wireless connection to router.
All three computers are connecting to internet w/o difficulty.
Task: c400 notebook (C) needs to print to printers connected to PC (A) and
share files with PC (A).
file sharing is enabled on PCs (A) & (C) and both of these PCs were added to
workgroup using network
wizard on XP Pro PC & manually configured on w2k pro notebook (C). Windows
firewall disabled on xp pro pc and w2k pro notebook. However, xp pc has
mcafee internet security suite enabled I forgot to check subnet mask on PCs
(A) & (B). the xp pro pc (A) can see the w2k pro notebook (C) and access
files on it but the w2k pro notebook (C) cannot see PC (A). Both can still
access trhe internet. I set up identical user account on both pcs, but
cannot access the p2p network from the w2k notebook unless administrator
is logged on. The other accts are admin level but network services are
disabled. on the xp pro PC user accts are admin level, but I can't locate
the administrator acct to change password to the same as the w2k notebook.

The user of PC (B) does not wantto be part of the workgroup or use the
printers connected to PC (A).

How can I systematically diagnose the problem and/or fix the problem? Do I
need to do anything to the router's configuration?

Thanks,

Mike
 
Mike said:
Hi, I'm having problems setting up a W2K Pro/XP Pro P2P network.

Configuration: comcast broadband, linksys wrt54g wireless router. xp pro pc
(A) rj45 connected to router,
xp pro pc (B) wireless connection to router & dell c400 notebook (C) w2k pro
wireless connection to router.
All three computers are connecting to internet w/o difficulty.
Task: c400 notebook (C) needs to print to printers connected to PC (A) and
share files with PC (A).
file sharing is enabled on PCs (A) & (C) and both of these PCs were added to
workgroup using network
wizard on XP Pro PC
Click to expand...

That was your first mistake was to use that wizard, which you should
have done manually just like you did with the Win 2k pro machine.

& manually configured on w2k pro notebook (C). Windows
firewall disabled on xp pro pc and w2k pro notebook.
Click to expand...

Win 2k doesn't have a FW unless you're talking about some 3rd party PFW.

However, xp pc has
mcafee internet security suite enabled I forgot to check subnet mask on PCs
(A) & (B). the xp pro pc (A) can see the w2k pro notebook (C) and access
files on it but the w2k pro notebook (C) cannot see PC (A).
Click to expand...

Well you should disable MCafee and everything else until such time you
have networking working.
Both can still
access trhe internet. I set up identical user account on both pcs, but
cannot access the p2p network from the w2k notebook unless administrator
is logged on.
Click to expand...

I don't know what the problem is there. What are you talking about? Is
it that the Win 2K machine cannot access the XP pro machine?
The other accts are admin level but network services are
disabled.
Click to expand...

What are you talking about that the network services are disabled? The
network services and client software are not based on a user account, as
all user accounts can use the network services and client if they are
installed on the NIC.
on the xp pro PC user accts are admin level, but I can't locate
the administrator acct to change password to the same as the w2k notebook.
Click to expand...

It's by user account that you make them the same on each the machine so
they can access each other by user-account and you don't have to give
the password. It has nothing to do with the machine's Admin account.
The user of PC (B) does not wantto be part of the workgroup or use the
printers connected to PC (A).
Click to expand...

It could be due to Win 2k has Netbeui on the NIC that is not a
routerable protocol and may cause problems in a wireless to wireless or
wireless to wire machine networking situation. You should remove Netbeui
off the NIC on the Win 2k machine and match the protocols that are on
the Win XP machine's NIC.
How can I systematically diagnose the problem and/or fix the problem? Do I
need to do anything to the router's configuration?
Click to expand...

http://www.windowsnetworking.com/j_helmig/guidshrh.htm

Your other option is to install MS NWlink on the NIC's which will allow
the machine to network when all else fails on the networking. If you
choose to use NWlink, then make sure you uninstall Netbuei first off the
NIC before installing NWlink on the Win 2K machine as you'll hose the
the TCP/IP Stack without doing the uninstall before installing MS NWlink.

http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/xp/network_protocols.htm

You should try to secure the Win XP and Win 2k machines as much as
possible in a wireless networking situation and sharing of resources as
someone can hack and join your wireless network and be all over the top
of your machines wired or wireless on the LAN.

Take note of the Authenticated User Group on shares, which can be
applied in a P2P situation.

http://labmice.techtarget.com/articles/winxpsecuritychecklist.htm

There is a link for Win 2K too.

Duane :)
 
message That was your first mistake was to use that
wizard, which you should
have done manually just like you did with the Win 2k pro machine.
Click to expand...

I know, I had a brain fart and couldn't remember how to access workgroup
configuration in xp pro.
Also, I raqd a couple of different times that using the wizard was
desirable.
& manually configured on w2k pro notebook (C). Windows

Win 2k doesn't have a FW unless you're talking about some 3rd party PFW.

However, xp pc has

Well you should disable MCafee and everything else until such time you
have networking working.
Click to expand...

Will do.
I don't know what the problem is there. What are you talking about? Is it
that the Win 2K machine cannot access the XP pro machine?
Click to expand...

I created log on accts for both pcs. When I logged onto the W2k notebook
using one of the newly created admin accts network services are not
accessible.
Can only access network services when logged on as ADMIN. no kidding.
What are you talking about that the network services are disabled? The
network services and client software are not based on a user account, as
all user accounts can use the network services and client if they are
installed on the NIC.
Click to expand...

I agree, this is the first time I've seen it.
It's by user account that you make them the same on each the machine so
they can access each other by user-account and you don't have to give the
password. It has nothing to do with the machine's Admin account.
Click to expand...

Noo password is needed? This is good news.
It could be due to Win 2k has Netbeui on the NIC that is not a routerable
protocol and may cause problems in a wireless to wireless or wireless to
wire machine networking situation. You should remove Netbeui off the NIC
on the Win 2k machine and match the protocols that are on the Win XP
machine's NIC.
Click to expand...

Good point. I didn't look for neteui. Will check.
http://www.windowsnetworking.com/j_helmig/guidshrh.htm

Your other option is to install MS NWlink on the NIC's which will allow
the machine to network when all else fails on the networking. If you
choose to use NWlink, then make sure you uninstall Netbuei first off the
NIC before installing NWlink on the Win 2K machine as you'll hose the the
TCP/IP Stack without doing the uninstall before installing MS NWlink.

http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/xp/network_protocols.htm

You should try to secure the Win XP and Win 2k machines as much as
possible in a wireless networking situation and sharing of resources as
someone can hack and join your wireless network and be all over the top of
your machines wired or wireless on the LAN.

Take note of the Authenticated User Group on shares, which can be applied
in a P2P situation.

http://labmice.techtarget.com/articles/winxpsecuritychecklist.htm

There is a link for Win 2K too.

Duane :)
Click to expand...

Duane, much thanks for taking the time to share your expertise via your
thoughtful response.
I haVen't had to set up p2p networking for > the a couple of years and just
forgot certain steps.
Will report back to group when I go out there to reconfigure the p2p
network. I'm doing this for an
employee who is temorarily disaaBLED.

Mike
 
Mike said:
message That was your first mistake was to use that
wizard, which you should



I know, I had a brain fart and couldn't remember how to access workgroup
configuration in xp pro.
Also, I raqd a couple of different times that using the wizard was
desirable.
Click to expand...

On XP you use Start Button and select the My Computer line right-click
it Properties/Name Tab and select the Change button, which will allow
you to select Domain or Workgroup and give a name the machine is to join.

Duane :)
 
Thanks

Duane Arnold said:
On XP you use Start Button and select the My Computer line right-click it
Properties/Name Tab and select the Change button, which will allow you to
select Domain or Workgroup and give a name the machine is to join.

Duane :)
Click to expand...
 
 
 
Mike said:
message That was your first mistake was to use that
wizard, which you should

I know, I had a brain fart and couldn't remember how to access workgroup
configuration in xp pro.
Also, I raqd a couple of different times that using the wizard was
desirable.
Click to expand...

I've got the same configuration at home - xp pro & w2k pro wireless notebook
broadband
connection via DSL router. Bothj PCs have file print sharing enabled, both
belong to the dsame workgroup,
both getting TCP IP addresses via DHCP from the router. Both PCs have a
directory shared.
Disabled third party firewall on the w2k pc and xp pc. This makes me
nervous.
Can I disable the broadband connection - get off the internet and still
configure the
network?

Can ping the other PC from either PC.
Will do.

I created log on accts for both pcs. When I logged onto the W2k notebook
using one of the newly created admin accts network services are not
accessible.
Can only access network services when logged on as ADMIN. no kidding.

I agree, this is the first time I've seen it.
Click to expand...

Logged onto to both PCs using the same password and ADMIN level user name.
Noo password is needed? This is good news.

Good point. I didn't look for neteui. Will check.
Click to expand...

netbeui not enabled on either PC. This is very frustrating as I had these
two PCs networked
in the past.
 
Mike said:
I've got the same configuration at home - xp pro & w2k pro wireless
notebook broadband
connection via DSL router. Bothj PCs have file print sharing enabled,
both belong to the dsame workgroup,
both getting TCP IP addresses via DHCP from the router. Both PCs have a
directory shared.

Disabled third party firewall on the w2k pc and xp pc. This makes me
nervous.
Can I disable the broadband connection - get off the internet and still
configure the
network?

Can ping the other PC from either PC.

Logged onto to both PCs using the same password and ADMIN level user name.

netbeui not enabled on either PC. This is very frustrating as I had
these two PCs networked
in the past.
Click to expand...

Enabled simple file sharing on the XP Pro PC SP2, enabled print & file
sharing, setup a shared directory on both PCs,
disabled firewalls on both PCs (third party firewall on W2K Pro SP4 PC),
both PCs and router have unique IP addresses,
Can ping either PC from the other PC. PCs are getting IP addresses from DHCP
on DSL router.
Any suggestions what else I can do to share files and printers on these PCs?

Mike
 
Contrary to previous poster, I often find it necessary to install
Netbeui on my network, wireless or wired, to enable file sharing. Try it.
 
Airman Thunderbird said:
Contrary to previous poster, I often find it necessary to install Netbeui
on my network, wireless or wired, to enable file sharing. Try it.
Click to expand...
Is netbeui routable?

Mike
'
 
Mike said:
Is netbeui routable?
Click to expand...

Sorry, I have been out of town on some business the last couple of days.

http://www.comptechdoc.org/independent/networking/guide/netnetbeui.html

No, netbeui is not routable like I explained before, which will give you
some problems in using wireless.

All you need on the NIC's is TCP/IP, Client for MS Networks, and MS File
and Print Sharing normally, which works 9 of 10 times works. But some
times it doesn't.

I saw your other post about disabling the personal FW(s) on the machines
that you can do to get things to work. Because the machines are behind a
NAT router, the router is protecting the machines from the Internet.

http://www.homenethelp.com/web/explain/about-NAT.asp

Again, I'll point you to MS Nwlink that will make those machines network
wire or wireless when all else fails in making them network. If you use
it, then remove Netbeui of the Win 2k NIC.

http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/xp/network_protocols.htm

Duane :)
 
Any disadvatages to using netbeui?

Airman Thunderbird said:
Contrary to previous poster, I often find it necessary to install Netbeui
on my network, wireless or wired, to enable file sharing. Try it.
Click to expand...
 
None I'm aware of. Plus it's non-routable, thus invisible to the
Internet. It's not the newest and coolest, but it works.
 
Duane Arnold said:
Sorry, I have been out of town on some business the last couple of days.

http://www.comptechdoc.org/independent/networking/guide/netnetbeui.html

No, netbeui is not routable like I explained before, which will give you
some problems in using wireless.

All you need on the NIC's is TCP/IP, Client for MS Networks, and MS File
and Print Sharing normally, which works 9 of 10 times works. But some
times it doesn't.

I saw your other post about disabling the personal FW(s) on the machines
that you can do to get things to work. Because the machines are behind a
NAT router, the router is protecting the machines from the Internet.

http://www.homenethelp.com/web/explain/about-NAT.asp

Again, I'll point you to MS Nwlink that will make those machines network
wire or wireless when all else fails in making them network. If you use
it, then remove Netbeui of the Win 2k NIC.

http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/xp/network_protocols.htm

Duane :)
Click to expand...

Good to see y ou're back.
The broadband conection is Verizon DSL. XP Pro SP2 PC hardwired to router.
NIC is configured with client for microsoft networks,
deterministic netowrk enhancer (believe this is verizon),
file & printer sharing,
QoS packet scheduler,
internet protocol TCP/IP,
I disabled TCP/IP verison 6.
Network neighborhood show nothing.


Wireless notebook:
client for microsoft networkd
Deterministic network enhancer
file and printer sharing for microsoft networks
AEGIS Protocol [IEEE 802.1x1 v3.20.3]
Internet Protocol (TCP/IP)
Network neighborhood shows only this computer,
but I can map a folder from the other computer and transfer files back and forth.
Cannot map any network service on the other computer.

I hear you re: NWLink but I'd like to diagnose the problem then fix it.
otoh, it's not working as it is.

Mike
 
Last night, before turning off the computers I ran the XP network wizard w/o changing any settings.
The XP PC immediately recognized the W2K notebook. Network Neighborhood on both computers
shows the other computer. File and printer sharing works. I'd really like to know what changed.

Mike

Mike said:
Sorry, I have been out of town on some business the last couple of days.

http://www.comptechdoc.org/independent/networking/guide/netnetbeui.html

No, netbeui is not routable like I explained before, which will give you
some problems in using wireless.

All you need on the NIC's is TCP/IP, Client for MS Networks, and MS File
and Print Sharing normally, which works 9 of 10 times works. But some
times it doesn't.

I saw your other post about disabling the personal FW(s) on the machines
that you can do to get things to work. Because the machines are behind a
NAT router, the router is protecting the machines from the Internet.

http://www.homenethelp.com/web/explain/about-NAT.asp

Again, I'll point you to MS Nwlink that will make those machines network
wire or wireless when all else fails in making them network. If you use
it, then remove Netbeui of the Win 2k NIC.

http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/xp/network_protocols.htm

Duane :)
Click to expand...

Good to see y ou're back.
The broadband conection is Verizon DSL. XP Pro SP2 PC hardwired to router.
NIC is configured with client for microsoft networks,
deterministic netowrk enhancer (believe this is verizon),
file & printer sharing,
QoS packet scheduler,
internet protocol TCP/IP,
I disabled TCP/IP verison 6.
Network neighborhood show nothing.


Wireless notebook:
client for microsoft networkd
Deterministic network enhancer
file and printer sharing for microsoft networks
AEGIS Protocol [IEEE 802.1x1 v3.20.3]
Internet Protocol (TCP/IP)
Network neighborhood shows only this computer,
but I can map a folder from the other computer and transfer files back and forth.
Cannot map any network service on the other computer.

I hear you re: NWLink but I'd like to diagnose the problem then fix it.
otoh, it's not working as it is.

Mike
 
Mike said:
Last night, before turning off the computers I ran the XP network wizard
w/o changing any settings.
The XP PC immediately recognized the W2K notebook. Network
Neighborhood on both computers
shows the other computer. File and printer sharing works. I'd really
like to know what changed.
Click to expand...

The wizard is trash it's plain and simple. I never use it.

Duane :)
 
Mike said:
Any disadvatages to using netbeui?
Click to expand...

Well, put it back on the Win 2K machine's NIC and see if the Win 2K and
XP machines will share resources with wireless involved.

Duane :)
 
I've never liked it and this is the first time I seriuosly used it.
Used out of desperation. It worked. . . .

Mike
 
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