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Ok, I've posted a number of threads with problems connecting XP Home to Vista
Home Premium. The XP machine is wired through the wireless router and the
Vista machine is wireless. I've followed all the instructions on the
Networking tips page. Netbios IS enabled and I upgraded the XP machines with
LLTD. Firewall is turned off on both machines.

Here's the latest. Since installing LLTD I can map the entire network, but I
still can't access the XP machines from Vista by name. I can via IP, but
that's all. On XP I can view the Vista machine but I don't have permission to
access it. I did enable the Guest account on Vista to try and help that.

Now here's something new... I've been doing all the diagnosis from Vista,
but I just went to one of the XP machines to try something else. I've always
been able to ping the XP machines from Vista, but I guess I just assumed I
could ping Vista from XP. Here's the kicker, I can't.

I've checked and I explicitly have port 445 on the Vista machine enabled so
it should work. On XP I have the firewall diasbled and have also explicitly
enabled all the proper ports just to be sure.

This is driving me nuts. Where do I check next? I've been on this for over a
week now, and it's almost to the point that I'll be downgrading to XP for
good!
 
I was having diffficulty getting access to my Vista PC from my XP PCs. Per
the suggestions on this forum, I reviewed, downloaded and then installed the
free trial download of Network Magic located at
http://www.networkmagic.com/product/ and all my Networking Problems with
mixed Vista and XP PCs were able to be resolved and my mixed network
consisting of Vista and XP PCs all work together now and are accessible. I
then ordered the Network Magic software from Amazon for $26.95. Thanks for
the suggestions...they worked and resolved my problems.
 
BOWDOC said:
I was having diffficulty getting access to my Vista PC from my XP PCs. Per
the suggestions on this forum, I reviewed, downloaded and then installed
the
free trial download of Network Magic located at
http://www.networkmagic.com/product/ and all my Networking Problems with
mixed Vista and XP PCs were able to be resolved and my mixed network
consisting of Vista and XP PCs all work together now and are accessible. I
then ordered the Network Magic software from Amazon for $26.95. Thanks for
the suggestions...they worked and resolved my problems.
Click to expand...

I keep seeing people go on and on about that product in here so I thought
I'd take a look.

Very pretty screen but what does it actually *do*?

It has a pretty picture of my home network, which it got wrong but never
mind. It can't identify my Mac as a Mac despite supposedly being great at
cross-platform stuff. The internet speed test is the usual online "download
a file and time it" inaccurate rubbish, with the interesting twist that
apparently the developers are American and have not yet heard that there are
other countries in the world with Internet access, so you can't even get a
locally inaccurate speed measurement if you live in, say, the UK.

The 'local network test' won't run because despite claiming to be a cross
platform thing it requires more than one Windows machine on the network.

It claims I don't have an AV scanner installed when I do.

The much vaunted sharing 'special sauce' is nothing more than the usual
sharing wizard with some dangerous assumptions made about rights, same for
the printer sharing.

Maybe it's just me, I am rather difficult to impress I admit, but... besides
looking pretty and making incorrect assumptions about my network, what does
this product actually *do*?
 
Well I agree a lot of what it does is put a pretty face on some basic
applets. HOWEVER it did do something. Because after installing it, I can map
to my XP machine using the server name as opposed to just IP (see more
below). It also discovered my other XP machine which hasn't been touched yet,
so it doesn't have LLTD installed yet. In any event it did something.

Now the bad. While it allowed me to map to my XP shares using server name as
opposed to IP addr. Now I can't connect to anything at all either with IP or
server name. Nothing changed other than time. I can't access anything via
Windows or command line. and I still can't connect from XP to Vista, can't
even ping it. And I can't view any XP machine as a workgroup computer.

I see Vista getting trashed pretty soon. There's little or no support and it
flat out doesn't work. If it was just me II'd say I'll try and fix it. But it
seems every other post relates to problems connecting with XP machines or
wireless or to the internet. It's just not worth it. My office network has
been down for a week now. That's just not acceptable.
 
Well by the time I finished writing this, the shares came back. I was able to
go to Computer and add a new netowrk location, which I did. So all is good
almost? Not exactly. It decided then that the previous mapped shares I had
were no longer valid, but it wouldn't let me delete them since they no longer
exist. So I decide to reboot the machine. When I then go back to Computer,
the invalid mapped shares are gone...great. But now I can't connect to any
share again.

I know there's a programmer out there laughing at all of us about this
 
If I wasn't so mad this would be funny.

I went in to figure out what was going on with this. I went through my
network setting and went down the whole list. I ended up at the firewall
settings and found that the reboot disabled the File and printer sharing
exception. It also deleted the Network Magic program in the exception list
too.

I wish they had told me this was still a Beta version.

I can now create network places to connect to my one XP machine. Now to go
through and retest everything. Still not working completely yet, but maybe a
little closer, not sure.
 
Oops, spoke too soon. It stopped again, just like that. No changes, it just
stopped. anyone want to bet when it works again?
 
You do have to bear in mind that this forum is specifically geared towards
Vista networking issues so it does stand to reason that almost every post
you see here relates to that. That being the case I can't for the life of
me figure out why you're having such difficulties. I've taken my new vista
ultimate machine (laptop) to several different networks now (both domain
based and work group based) with a variety of old and new XP based machines
(all pro) and have had absolutely no problem accessing shared resources on
those networks (even to machines without the LLTD responder - just couldn't
see them in network and sharing center and had to use the netbios name of
the machine to access the resources).

I don't generally recommend network magic primarily because it's not really
doing anything you couldn't do yourself (though admittedly it's a lot harder
to do that via newsgroup post) and because I haven't had the opportunity to
audit exactly what it does. Nor for that matter does it appear to provide
any information as to exactly what it does - I.e. an audit log of "changing
the following setting for the following reason" type of thing that would
allow someone to easily undo what it did and understand what they didn't
have set in the first place. I'm also not particularly confident that it
isn't allowing too broad a degree of access when it opens things up.

Joe
 
I wasn't keen on installing something to attempt to fix something that
shouldn't be broken either. But I ran out of hair to pull out. It changed
things, but didn't fix them. it created different symptoms. I have since
uninstalled it. The reason being is that I figured ot what was wrong.

In a word...NORTON

I didn't have it running nor even configured. I followed all the tips for
configuring the Windows firewall even though it wasn't running either. I
never configured NORTON firewall, nor ran it, absolutely nothing. But it was
the culprit. I uninstalled it, and BINGO eveytthing works. For the first time
I could view all my Workgroup computers. and with a click view their shares.

I then went to the XP machine and I could even ping the Vista machine and
all the shares appeared and work.

Bottom line, ditch NORTON ASAP!
 
Ahh.. I don't know if I ever had asked, but by chance the machine with
Norton on it wasn't new was it? if so, Norton was installed and enabled by
default. It's firewall replaced the Windows Firewall. When you
un-installed it, it should have automatically re-enabled the Windows
Firewall.

I personally un-installed Norton on my new machine as well (and went with
Kaspersky).

J
 
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