XP upgrade: FAT32 to NTFS

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Sean Kavanaugh

I've upgraded a PC from Win98 to XP. I have only one
partition which is FAT32. Can I use convert on this
system disk? Is convert.exe smart enough to convert the
system files as well? Thanks, Sean
 
Yes it will convert all files. Before you do this, make
sure you have everything working good! You will no longer
be able to use a normal boot disk to access your hard
drive from DOS.
NTSF is more stable and secure, but it does have it's
draw backs. Once converted, it is nearly imposible to
convert back to FAT32 without a complete reformat and
fresh install. There are a couple of aftermarket programs
which claim to be able to switch back and forth, but once
you convert, just be prepared to live with it.
Joel
 
Hi

You cna use Partition Magic 8.0 to convert /merge/ resize the drives at any time
BTW, if you don.t have very large files for storage e.g. vedio file that larger than 6 GB, you better stay with FAT32

Go to the following links to have a look

http://www.symantec.com/partitionmagic/index.htm
http://www.thundercloud.net/information-avenue/ntfs-vs-fat32

Pete


----- Joel wrote: ----

Yes it will convert all files. Before you do this, make
sure you have everything working good! You will no longer
be able to use a normal boot disk to access your hard
drive from DOS
NTSF is more stable and secure, but it does have it's
draw backs. Once converted, it is nearly imposible to
convert back to FAT32 without a complete reformat and
fresh install. There are a couple of aftermarket programs
which claim to be able to switch back and forth, but once
you convert, just be prepared to live with it
Joe
 
Yes. You run the command from the run line, your system will reboot, and
during reboot, the files will be converted (it will look like the scan drive
for errors, screen.
 
Greetings --

You can safely convert your hard drive to NTFS whenever desired,
without having to format the partition and reinstall everything. As
always when performing any serious changes, back up any important data
before proceeding, just in case. A little advance preparation is also
strongly recommended, so you can avoid any performance hits caused by
the default cluster size:

Converting FAT32 to NTFS in Windows
http://www.aumha.org/a/ntfscvt.htm


Bruce Chambers
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On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 05:42:55 -0800, "Joel"
NTFS is more stable and secure, but it does have it's
draw backs.

Specifically:
- no ability to formally detect and clean malware
- no ability to recover data if the OS can't work
- no ability to interactively check/repair the file system

The "more secure" part can also mean "unable to get my data back".


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Running Windows-based av to kill active malware is like striking
a match to see if what you are standing in is water or petrol.
 
On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 05:42:55 -0800, "Joel"


Specifically:
- no ability to formally detect and clean malware

FAT32 can detect and clean malware? Wow, I guess all those AV companies
might as well pack it in, eh?
- no ability to recover data if the OS can't work
- no ability to interactively check/repair the file system

No chkdsk? Wow! I didn't realize that command was just hot air.
The "more secure" part can also mean "unable to get my data back".

Get over it already. It's TRIVIALLY simple to create either a Windows PE
disc, a similar disc using Bart's PE Builder, or just boot from a Knoppix
disc if you like Linux. Don't forget the recovery console. It's not your
grandma's OS anymore.
 
Greetings --

And you forgot to mention that an NTFS partition, being less
likely to have problems in the first place, is much less likely to
ever need the sort of "heroic" recovery tools that you deem so
essential. Hasn't it occurred to you yet that perhaps the reason you
can't find the sort of tools you needed for repairing/recovery FAT32
partitions is that they just aren't necessary, as there's so rarely
any occasion to use them on NTFS partitions? Don't you think that,
after all these years of NTFS use, if there'd been a glaring need,
someone would have developed tools to fill the gap?


Bruce Chambers
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FAT32 can detect and clean malware? Wow, I guess all those AV companies
might as well pack it in, eh?

No. FAT32 can be accessed from DOS mode running completely
independently of the HD's (infected?) code base, thus fascilitating
formal scanning for malware. Malware can be cleaned, too, with the
caveat that the DOS-based scanner may not be able to address registry
settings that need correction.
No chkdsk? Wow! I didn't realize that command was just hot air.

ChkDsk is not hot air, but it is NOT an interactive tool either.

ChkDsk does NOT give you the ability to look for file system errors
and prompt the user before either ignoring them (ChkDsk) or "fixing"
them (ChkDsk /F) automatically.
Get over it already. It's TRIVIALLY simple to create either a Windows PE
disc, a similar disc using Bart's PE Builder, or just boot from a Knoppix
disc if you like Linux. Don't forget the recovery console.

I've done all three. Here's the mileage:

1) Bart's PE builder

The most promising of the three, but unable to access and alter the HD
installation's registry. The registry RegEdit sees is the one on
Bart's CDR, and you can't add a hive from the HD to access that way.

2) Knoppix and other Linux boot disks

Linux advocates themselves are sceptical about NTFS write safety using
Linux NTFS drivers. If nothing else, that's cause for pause.

3) Recovery Console

RC is not an OS; it's just a grab-bag of useful fixin' tricks, much
like the old Norton DiskTool from the days of MS-DOS. So it cannot
host an antivirus utility, for example.

Even if you have made the registry settings required to allow RC to...
- access volumes other than C:
- write to removable diskettes
- automatically log into the installation with password
- support wildcard syntax
....you find that wildcard syntax (e.g. Copy C:\*.*) doesn't work.
That cripples RC as a means of evacuating data from a sick PC.

Get over it? I don't think so. I'm not going to accept a far worse
level of maintainability and survivability just because marketoids and
clueless posters say new = better.
It's not your grandma's OS anymore.

Well if it's a potential data death-trap, that's not an improvement


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Hmmm... what was the *other* idea?
 
On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 20:19:27 -0700, "Bruce Chambers"

Right. Journaling makes errors so less likely to happen. :)

Sticking with FAT32 because you're afraid you'll lose your data is like
buying a car with guaranteed quick body removal after a wreck, when you
should just be buying the car with good brakes and steering that avoids
the wreck in the first place.
 
You may do exactly the same things using a Windows PE CD

....which we are not allowed access to; thanks, MS...
or a PE Builder type CD.

I've done that using Bart's PE CD, which is the only "PE builder type
CD" I know of that I have legal access to. I specifically tried the
"open hive" approach, and it was greyed out.
Although if you load the registry into your PE's regedit, you
should be able to access the areas commonly affected by malware.

See above. I would dealy have a PE builder CD, but MS lock that down
to large OEMs only. Even MSDN doesn't qualify.
The somewhat intelligent user would run Chkdsk first to see if there are
any errors, then run it again with the /f switch to repair them. Not
terribly different from Scandisk from the enduser point of view.

ChkDsk C: will throw up spurious errors because C: is always "in use".
So you have a choice between a safe ChkDsk you know you can't trust,
and an off-the-leash ChkDsk /F you *have* to trust.
Just load the registry hive off the disk in question manually. Yes,
regedit opens with the PE CD's registry loaded. You wouldn't want to
automatically try and load a hive from a client's machine.

I understand that, and looked for the usual menu approach to load the
HD's hives, and found it was greyed out.
If you are unable to build a PE CD properly you can always get ERD
Commander from Winternals.com.

Cost? http://www.winternals.com/products/repairandrecovery/ is the
URL, and if I remember from prior correspondence with them, the cost
is exhorbitant.
It is preconfigured to allow you to manipulate the
registry on the client machines.

I'll check it out, thanks... yes, BTDT...

<paste>

Within thirty days, you must convert the temporary license to a
permanent license that will be restricted for use on one (1) specific
named machine only. The permanent license will not function on any
other machine. Or you may apply the amount of the purchase price
toward the purchase of an enterprise version of Administrator's Pak or
ERD Commander 2003. Please contact a Winternals representative

</paste>

It's locked to one system, so completely useless for a field tech who
has to work on arbitrary systems. The normal costly option is geared
to sysadmins woring within one org (domain-locked, I think it was)
which is also useless for field techs. The licensing fees for
free-ranging uses as per "consultants" are waaay off-scale.

So are you saying it's OK as long as you're a warez-bunny?
NTFS write support for Linux isn't marked dangerous or experimental with
kernel 2.6. Besides, there are other drivers you could use with Linux
like the one from Paragon (http://www.ntfs-linux.com).

Seems like an awful lot of 3rd-party hoops to jump through just to
support a "better", "more secure" file system. I'd rather not depend
on the quality of some arbitrary 3rd-party's reverse-engineered
drivers, thanks... it's like the bad old days of NT; "buy this
expensive professional-grade server OS, and resort to shareware
add-ons if you want to defrag the file system".

Call me back if you ever do complete the product :-)
No, but you can use it to repair many virus problems if you know which
files to delete or replace.

If the thing lets you access those files. And how do you know which
files to access and replace if you can't formally scan the system?
Have you actually ever used it?
Yep.

It doesn't sound like you've tried from your description.

It's fine for quick-fixes, such as FixBoot, FixMBR etc. On a
multi-volume HD, you soon stub your toe on the fact that you aren't
allowed access to the data you purposely kept off C: for safety.

I read up on that, and learned about the resgistry settings you have
to add (beforehand!) to enable the four Set commands that RC supports.
Once in place, you can use these to actually get access to your data,
so that RC can actually recover something. But even with these in
place, the Copy command will NOT do bulk (wildcard) copies.
The main point of using the recovery console is you can
access it even when safe mode is too corrupted by a virus to function.
No, wildcards don't function like in DOS but this is NT. You can copy,
rename or replace system files and folders, disable or enable services and
devices. It can repair the system boot sector or the MBR and partition
and format drives.

Yep. But as a data evacuation tool, it is useless, not so? And as it
is not an OS, you can't host more compitent tools, nor can you run a
virus scanner. So it's exactly what I called it - a non-OS, but
useful collection of tools nonetheless. If there's no built-in tool
for what you want to do, you're stuffed - and the two "biggies" (data
evacuation and formal malware scanning and cleanup) aren't there.
That's much more powerful than some weak DOS utility that just tries to
disinfect files.

Nope, because it can't scan everything to find anything. If you'd
already done a formal scan, detected the malware, looked it up,
determined what registry settings to fix and files to extract into
place, then RC may be up for it - but until you've done that formal
scan, you have no idea of the bounds of what you are dealing with.
To me, NTFS is so much more stable and so much safer that I would never go
back to FAT16 or FAT32.

Well, good luck. Some of us don't accept darkness as the standard.


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Running Windows-based av to kill active malware is like striking
a match to see if what you are standing in is water or petrol.
 
Right. Journaling makes errors so less likely to happen. :)

Nope, journalling does SFA to help when it comes to hardware flakiness
or hard drive failures. How could it?
Sticking with FAT32 because you're afraid you'll lose your data is like
buying a car with guaranteed quick body removal after a wreck, when you
should just be buying the car with good brakes and steering that avoids
the wreck in the first place.

Nope. If NT's customary environment is like urban driving in a city
with computerised repair centers of every corner, or well-maintained
highways for the open road, then consumerland is like farm roads with
amateur spanner-and-pliers maintenance from the farmer next door.

If I wanted to cross the desert, I'd want a Land Rover I could fix
myself; preferably with a second back-up vehicle carrying extra spares
and a winch. I wouldn't try it in a Rolls Royce with the hood welded
shut, no matter how well the latter runs in the city.

Perhaps it depends on what service norms you are used to...

SysAdmin: ' Oh well, it's only a workstation, everything that matters
is on the server, so I'll just wipe and re-image it '

BigOEM Support: "Insert the Instant Restore CD and press the reset
button, it will nuke you back to the factory setup. Sorry, if you
don't follow our instructions, we can't help you <click> "

....but round here, we expect better than that. With FATxx, we get it.


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