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Glenn · Feb 3, 2009

Against advice from almost everybody, I chose vista over XP pro on this new
machine.

With xp, if I load something that doesn't work out, I could go to system
restore and back up a day or so and as far as it was concerned, nothing was
added after that previous date I choose.

I loaded a program recently that scattered files off over the place like
spider webs. I thought, no problem, I'll just back vista up a couple days
and start over. SURE!! In the directions they provide they say system
restore won't touch those type directories. What good is it if it won't do
what XP would do??

What a shame they had a good OS and they fool us with a lousy, non-working
OS. Grrrrr

Glenn · Feb 3, 2009

Joe Buck said:
XP didn't do it either.

Strange. I must have had a bastard OS program because I DID do that often.
It DID, why would you say that?? On my old machine, I still can.

Carey Frisch [MVP] · Feb 4, 2009

System Restore was not designed to uninstall programs. You need to use
the program's uninstaller to remove the program.

Against advice from almost everybody, I chose vista over XP pro on this new
machine.

With xp, if I load something that doesn't work out, I could go to system
restore and back up a day or so and as far as it was concerned, nothing was
added after that previous date I choose.

I loaded a program recently that scattered files off over the place like
spider webs. I thought, no problem, I'll just back vista up a couple days
and start over. SURE!! In the directions they provide they say system
restore won't touch those type directories. What good is it if it won't do
what XP would do??

What a shame they had a good OS and they fool us with a lousy, non-working
OS. Grrrrr

Glenn · Feb 4, 2009

So I find. xp would. xp is better.

Glenn · Feb 4, 2009

Yes. It is dated 4 days before I tried to use it.

Carey Frisch [MVP] · Feb 4, 2009

There is no difference in the way System Restore is designed to work in either Windows XP
or Windows Vista.

So I find. xp would. xp is better.

Joe Grover · Feb 4, 2009

What specifically are "those types of directories"?

The System Restore utility in XP is identical in Vista. When a program is
installed using an MSI installer it will create a restore point that saves
critical settings, some registry settings, and some file/folder information
relevant to the application's install. It is not a total system snapshot of
your entire computer, so some files and folders will be unaffected by a
System Restore.

Don't read too much into the directions. If you install the application on
your XP machine and on your Vista machine, then run the System Restore to go
back on both, the exact same actions will be taken on both machines.

Glenn · Feb 4, 2009

It may be that I haven't got it set up right.

All I know is that if I loaded a program that I plain didn't like, I got
used to just going to sys res and backing everything back a few days and
doing so the new one would be gone.

Want a funny one? Having trouble with a new load of Quicken. In reading
setup directions, it mentions how to load it and under administrator. Fine,
where did I learn that? From the directions that you get AFTER it is loaded.
Nothing comes printed with it. It may be the problem, nothing works on it.
Grrrr

Gordon · Feb 4, 2009

Glenn said:
It may be that I haven't got it set up right.

All I know is that if I loaded a program that I plain didn't like, I got
used to just going to sys res and backing everything back a few days and
doing so the new one would be gone.

But that's not the way to do it, it's not what System Restore is designed
for either in XP or Vista. The proper way to get rid of an unwanted program
is to uninstall it!

Glenn · Feb 4, 2009

Can we expand on the set up? I have a 500g hd but just a little in it. I
have a 60g from a secondary one off my old machine. This System Restore
says it is backing up to the 60g. Even with the backup it shouldn't be much
over 1/2 full. It seems that System Restore hasn't been giving me a full
backup because it says it's full. Probably my problem. I once saw a place
to allocate space for backup but can't re find it. Doesn't seem to be under
control panel-restore, the logical place.

I w/ properties see the small one is clear full. I can't spot any file that
big to delete it and start clean. I have show hidden clicked. Where is it
hiding? BTW a lot of the files in the old little one are now showing for a
size, 5 stars. What the heck is that?

Gordon · Feb 4, 2009

Glenn said:
Can we expand on the set up? I have a 500g hd but just a little in it. I
have a 60g from a secondary one off my old machine. This System Restore
says it is backing up to the 60g. Even with the backup it shouldn't be
much over 1/2 full. It seems that System Restore hasn't been giving me a
full backup because it says it's full. Probably my problem. I once saw a
place to allocate space for backup but can't re find it. Doesn't seem to
be under control panel-restore, the logical place.

Two points - System restore is NOT a "backup" system
Secondly, in Vista you have to jump through hoops to set the disk space that
System Restore uses.

Vista, by default, uses 15% of the drive space for restore points.
To see how much is allocated & used...

1. On the Start menu, click "All Programs".
2. Click "Accessories".
3. Right-click "Command Prompt" and choose "Run as Administrator" from the
shortcut menu.
4. When the User Account Control dialog appears, click "Continue".
5. Now run "VSSADMIN list shadowstorage" (without the quotes)

Then do this:
vssadmin resize shadowstorage /on=c: /for=c: /maxsize=4GB

This would change the allocated size of System Restore on drive C: for drive
C: to 4 gigabytes. Please note that the on: parameter is the drive letter
where the System Restore files are stored while the for: parameter defines
the drive that the files should be backed up from. The maxsize parameter is
pretty obvious. It can't go below 300 Megabytes. If you remove the maxsize
parameter the settings will be changed to the default ones again.

I w/ properties see the small one is clear full. I can't spot any file
that big to delete it and start clean. I have show hidden clicked.

Have you checked "show System Files" as well?

Glenn · Feb 4, 2009

Thank you for some good dope. I'll put this post in my keeper posts.

I did find on the 60, a dir called RESTORE and rightly assumed that was it.
Picked up some space on the 60, went back and set restore to copy only
documents instead of a lot of other crap and got a successful complete
backup. This could have some of my frustration.

The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly · Feb 4, 2009

Carey said:
There is no difference in the way System Restore is designed to work in either Windows XP
or Windows Vista.

Bwaaahaahaa! Carey, you just proved yet again that you should not be
and never should have been an MVP. System restore (SR) is different in
XP and Vista:

- In Vista it is based on shadow copy technology, in prior versions (XP,
ME) it was based on a file filter.

- In XP, SR is allowed up to 12 percent of the volume, and in Vista by
default it uses 15 percent and cannot be enabled on volumes less than 1gb.

- In XP, only certain directories were monitored while in Vista, certain
file types are monitored.

- In XP, the computer had to at least be bootable into safe mode,
otherwise the restore could not be applied. In Vista, if the computer
is not bootable even into safe mode, you can run a restore point booting
off of the vista DVD into the recovery console.

There are other differences, but this is enough information to show that
your sweeping generalizations about certain things being the same in XP
and Vista are harmful, falicious info that should never be posted here,
none the less by an 'MVP'!!

--
"Software is like sex, it's better when it's free."
- Linus Torvalds

DRM and unintended consequences:
http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p=435&tag=nl.e101

Tyro · Feb 4, 2009

Restore does not save your things. It restores the system to a restore
point. Your documents are NOT included in a restore point. To backup your
documents, you should use the backup procedure. You may benefit by buying a
book on Vista and learning what a restore point is as well as what a backup
is.

Tyro

JerryF · Feb 6, 2009

Yes Acronis True Image works in Vista and XP

haunt · May 2, 2009

measekite Da Monkey · May 25, 2009

So you made a statement and didn't supply a reason?

Why not?
Why Windows Vista is considered a failure as compared to Window 98 and Windows XP?

Leroy · May 25, 2009

Windows Vista is running perfectly on my PC. Has been sine 01/26/07.
Do you have any specific issues or are just moronic trolling?

Planters · May 25, 2009

gatabassum said:
Why Windows Vista is considered a failure as compared to Window 98 and
Windows XP?

What happened to Windows 2000?

<http://cio.berkeley.edu/msvista/>
<http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/22/2228245&from=rss>
<http://www.robins.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123133349>
<http://vista.blorge.com/2007/05/08/...ining-acceptance-but-some-concern-increasing/>

gatabassum · May 25, 2009

Why Windows Vista is considered a failure as compared to Window 98 and Windows XP?

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