XP Pro Upgrade or full version?

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I am thinking of upgrading an older PC by adding hardware and software and
installing XP Pro. I now am using Win98SE and wonder which way to go. What
would be best and reasons why not just upgrade.
Thank you very much.

Regards.

ModelMan
 
John said:
I am thinking of upgrading an older PC by adding hardware and software and
installing XP Pro. I now am using Win98SE and wonder which way to go. What
would be best and reasons why not just upgrade.
Thank you very much.

Regards.

ModelMan


Have you made sure that your PC's hardware components are capable of
supporting WinXP? This information will be found at the PC's
manufacturer's web site, and on Microsoft's Windows Catalog:
(http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/hcl/default.mspx) Additionally, run
Microsoft WinXP Upgrade Advisor to see if you have any incompatible
hardware components or applications.

You should, before proceeding, take a few minutes to ensure that
there are WinXP device drivers available for all of the machine's
components. There may not be, if the PC was specifically designed for
Win98/Me. Also bear in mind that PCs designed for, sold and run fine
with Win9x/Me very often do not meet WinXP's much more stringent
hardware quality requirements. This is particularly true of many models
in Compaq's consumer-class Presario product line or HP's consumer-class
Pavilion product line. WinXP, like WinNT and Win2K before it, is quite
sensitive to borderline defective or substandard hardware (particularly
motherboards, RAM and hard drives) that will still support Win9x.

HOW TO Prepare to Upgrade Win98 or WinMe
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q316639

Upgrading to Windows XP
http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpupgrad.htm


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The Upgrade version of Windows XP is fine. But, the better way to install XP
is to clean everything off the C drive then use the Upgrade CD.

Before doing anything verify you have the CDs and ProductKeys for both 98SE
and XP.
 
John said:
I am thinking of upgrading an older PC by adding hardware and
software and installing XP Pro. I now am using Win98SE and wonder
which way to go. What would be best and reasons why not just upgrade.
Thank you very much.


I'm not sure what you mean by "what would be best?" but bear in mind that
most computers of Windows 98 vintage will need substantial upgrading to be
able to run XP at all, and even more to run it at acceptable speed.

For example, I wouldn't try to run XP with less than 256MB of RAM (and
depending on what apps you will run, more might be much better). Do you have
that much? Will your motherboard take that much?

How fast is your processor? About 400MHz is the practical minimum, and speed
will be poor at that speed. Somepleace around 1GB would be more realistic.

How big is your hard drive? About 10GB is the practical minimum, and that
only if you have very few applications. 40GB is a more practical minium for
most people.

I dont know, but I'm guessing that you won't meet this minimums and will
probably need to upgrade at least the motherboard, CPU, RAM, and hard drive,
as well as buyiong a copy of XP. If so, look very carefully at the cost of
upgrading so much vs the cost of just buying a new computer from someplace
like Dell with XP included. You will probably find that upgrading makes no
sense.

Also bear in mind that you can probably get away with lower specs, but it
makes little sense to spend $250 to upgrade to a very minimal configuration,
when for $350 you could get a whole new much-better-configured machine.
 
Bruce said:
Have you made sure that your PC's hardware components are capable
of supporting WinXP? This information will be found at the PC's
manufacturer's web site, and on Microsoft's Windows Catalog:
(http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/hcl/default.mspx) Additionally, run
Microsoft WinXP Upgrade Advisor to see if you have any incompatible
hardware components or applications.

You should, before proceeding, take a few minutes to ensure that
there are WinXP device drivers available for all of the machine's
components. There may not be, if the PC was specifically designed for
Win98/Me. Also bear in mind that PCs designed for, sold and run fine
with Win9x/Me very often do not meet WinXP's much more stringent
hardware quality requirements. This is particularly true of many
models in Compaq's consumer-class Presario product line or HP's
consumer-class Pavilion product line. WinXP, like WinNT and Win2K
before it, is quite sensitive to borderline defective or substandard
hardware (particularly motherboards, RAM and hard drives) that will
still support Win9x.
HOW TO Prepare to Upgrade Win98 or WinMe
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q316639

Upgrading to Windows XP
http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpupgrad.htm

Thank you Bruce for your help. This is a custom built system that was
assembled by a local shop and has always run fine. I would like to upgrade
by adding whatever I need and will probably start with a fresh install of
Win98. I have always kept up by adding everything new I could and with this
P4 2.4 Gig system that really should have had XP installed when it was
built. If I assume that this system will run fine even if I actually ended
up rebuilding from the ground up what would the advantage of purchasing a
full version and not saving some money with upgrade?

Thanks again.

ModelMan John
 
Don said:
The Upgrade version of Windows XP is fine. But, the better way to
install XP is to clean everything off the C drive then use the
Upgrade CD.
Before doing anything verify you have the CDs and ProductKeys for
both 98SE and XP.

Thanks for that reminder Don. I am sure I would have been in trouble as I
now have to assure I have everything I started with.

John
 
John said:
Thank you Bruce for your help. This is a custom built system that was
assembled by a local shop and has always run fine. I would like to upgrade
by adding whatever I need and will probably start with a fresh install of
Win98.


Completely unnecessary, even if you were to purchase the Upgrade
version of WinXP. It's quite simple to perform a clean installation
using the Upgrade CD, provided you have the true installation CD for the
earlier OS.

Simply boot from the WinXP Upgrade CD. You'll be offered the
opportunity to delete, create, and format partitions as part of the
installation process. The Upgrade CD checks to see if a qualifying OS
is installed, and, if it finds none, it asks you to insert the
installation media (CD) of that OS. Unfortunately, an OEM
"Recovery/Restore" CD will not work for this purpose; you must have a
true installation CD, complete with the "\Win98" folder and *.cab
files, or the "\i386" folder of WinNT/2K.

I have always kept up by adding everything new I could and with this
P4 2.4 Gig system that really should have had XP installed when it was
built. If I assume that this system will run fine even if I actually ended
up rebuilding from the ground up .....


Then you should be fine, as long as the PC's various components are
WinXP-compatible, and WinXP-specific device drivers are available.

..... what would the advantage of purchasing a
full version and not saving some money with upgrade?


For you, none whatsoever. For Microsoft and the software retailer,
there would be a marginally larger profit on the sale of the more
expensive license.


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Bruce said:
Completely unnecessary, even if you were to purchase the Upgrade
version of WinXP. It's quite simple to perform a clean installation
using the Upgrade CD, provided you have the true installation CD for
the earlier OS.

Simply boot from the WinXP Upgrade CD. You'll be offered the
opportunity to delete, create, and format partitions as part of the
installation process. The Upgrade CD checks to see if a qualifying OS
is installed, and, if it finds none, it asks you to insert the
installation media (CD) of that OS. Unfortunately, an OEM
"Recovery/Restore" CD will not work for this purpose; you must have a
true installation CD, complete with the "\Win98" folder and *.cab
files, or the "\i386" folder of WinNT/2K.




Then you should be fine, as long as the PC's various components are
WinXP-compatible, and WinXP-specific device drivers are available.




For you, none whatsoever. For Microsoft and the software retailer,
there would be a marginally larger profit on the sale of the more
expensive license.

Thanks again for some great tips. After looking around I was considering
this http://www.edirectsoftware.com/product.php?product_id=16134 full
version but am wondering if this is legit. I was looking at BestBuy and they
want $300.00.
 
I'm not sure what you mean by "what would be best?" but bear in mind
that most computers of Windows 98 vintage will need substantial
upgrading to be able to run XP at all, and even more to run it at
acceptable speed.
For example, I wouldn't try to run XP with less than 256MB of RAM (and
depending on what apps you will run, more might be much better). Do
you have that much? Will your motherboard take that much?

How fast is your processor? About 400MHz is the practical minimum,
and speed will be poor at that speed. Somepleace around 1GB would be
more realistic.
How big is your hard drive? About 10GB is the practical minimum, and
that only if you have very few applications. 40GB is a more practical
minium for most people.

I dont know, but I'm guessing that you won't meet this minimums and
will probably need to upgrade at least the motherboard, CPU, RAM, and
hard drive, as well as buyiong a copy of XP. If so, look very
carefully at the cost of upgrading so much vs the cost of just buying
a new computer from someplace like Dell with XP included. You will
probably find that upgrading makes no sense.

Also bear in mind that you can probably get away with lower specs,
but it makes little sense to spend $250 to upgrade to a very minimal
configuration, when for $350 you could get a whole new
much-better-configured machine.

I find now that I should have had XP installed on this system to begin
with. The guy said he could save me some money if I went the Win98 route.
This system is around three years old if I remember correctly and is a P4
2.4 Gig with 1 Gig of Ram. I have been adding all the new hardware since I
bought it like DL-DVD and new HDDs and Video card and so forth. In my last
post I mentioned finding XP for $75.00 with assurances it is a legal CD. I
do wonder what is meant when they add "CD Only" as if there is something
missing.
 
John said:
I find now that I should have had XP installed on this system to
begin with. The guy said he could save me some money if I went the
Win98 route. This system is around three years old if I remember
correctly and is a P4 2.4 Gig with 1 Gig of Ram.


Then you almost certainly have what's needed, and you can ignore my previous
comment.

I have been adding all the new hardware
since I bought it like DL-DVD and new HDDs and Video card and so
forth. In my last post I mentioned finding XP for $75.00 with
assurances it is a legal CD. I do wonder what is meant when they add
"CD Only" as if there is something missing.



What kind of "assurances"? What recourse do you have if it isn't? Is it Home
or Professional? Is it an OEM copy or a retail one? If retail, Full or
Upgrade?

If it's OEM, make sure you understand the disadvantages of an OEM version
before you buy it. They are cheaper for a reason.
 
Then you almost certainly have what's needed, and you can ignore my
previous comment.





What kind of "assurances"? What recourse do you have if it isn't? Is
it Home or Professional? Is it an OEM copy or a retail one? If
retail, Full or Upgrade?

If it's OEM, make sure you understand the disadvantages of an OEM
version before you buy it. They are cheaper for a reason.

This is the link http://www.edirectsoftware.com/product.php?product_id=16134
and I have also seen good deals on Amazon.com. How am I to know other than
asking others that are more informed. If something is guaranteed how does
one know what that really means I guess. Is there a way to check to see if
this is for real like a fraud site?
 
John said:
Thanks again for some great tips. After looking around I was considering
this http://www.edirectsoftware.com/product.php?product_id=16134 full
version but am wondering if this is legit. I was looking at BestBuy and they
want $300.00.


That web site is highly questionable. Some people have reported
receiving legitimate software licenses from them, while others have
reported receiving branded OEM CDs that won't install. I don know that
in the web sites FAQ, they go to great lengths to convince people that
they're legitimately distributing OEM licenses, but most of the
references they cite are completely irrelevant, or else they (the web
site) claim one thing while the court decision cited clearly states the
opposite. I've previously reported that site to Microsoft's Anti-piracy
division for investigation.

According to the link you provided, the OEM CDs are specifically
branded for Dell computers. That means that:

1) The WinXP license in question is legitimate *only* if it comes
"wrapped" in a Dell computer,

2) Those CDs will most likely only install on a Dell computer.

Another consideration: OEM CDs, whether legitimate or otherwise,
cannot perform upgrades; they a re specifically designed to perform
clean installations only.


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John said:
..... I
do wonder what is meant when they add "CD Only" as if there is something
missing.

It usually means that it's a pirated, copied CD, and there will be no
Product Key with which to perform the installation.


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John said:


That's a Dell branded version, which makes it OEM. It says "CD's are
imprinted with a Dell logo, but are installable and usable on any type of
computer." I don't know whether it's true that they are installable on any
type of computer, but I would be very reluctant to believe it simply because
they say so.

OEM versions of Windows XP Professional normally sell for over twice that
$75. When you find a deal that's too good to believe, there's often a reason
why you shouldn't believe it. I wouldn't take the chance of buying this
myself.

Also be aware of the disadvantages .of an OEM version:

1. Its license ties it permanently to the first computer it's installed on.
It can never legally be moved to another computer, sold, or given away.

2. It can only do a clean installation, not an upgrade.

3. Microsoft provides no support for OEM versions. You can't call them with
a problem, but instead have to get any needed support from your OEM; that
support may range anywhere between good and non-existent. Or you can get
support elsewhere, such as in these newsgroups.

If it were me, I'd buy an Upgrade CD (XP Home, unless you need the extra
features of Professional; most home users don't need them) from a legitimate
discount source. It would cost somewhat more, but at least I'd know that I
wouldn't be throwing my money away. Also note that, despite what many people
think, you *can* do a clean installation with an Upgrade CD (as long as you
have a previous qualifying version's CD).
 
Bruce Chambers said:
Have you made sure that your PC's hardware components are capable of
supporting WinXP? This information will be found at the PC's
manufacturer's web site, and on Microsoft's Windows Catalog:
(http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/hcl/default.mspx) Additionally, run
Microsoft WinXP Upgrade Advisor to see if you have any incompatible
hardware components or applications.

You should, before proceeding, take a few minutes to ensure that
there are WinXP device drivers available for all of the machine's
components. There may not be, if the PC was specifically designed for
Win98/Me. Also bear in mind that PCs designed for, sold and run fine
with Win9x/Me very often do not meet WinXP's much more stringent
hardware quality requirements. This is particularly true of many models
in Compaq's consumer-class Presario product line or HP's consumer-class
Pavilion product line. WinXP, like WinNT and Win2K before it, is quite
sensitive to borderline defective or substandard hardware (particularly
motherboards, RAM and hard drives) that will still support Win9x.

HOW TO Prepare to Upgrade Win98 or WinMe
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q316639

Upgrading to Windows XP
http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpupgrad.htm
Bruce< Would just like to add that John would probably highly exceed his
needs/wants plus save money by simply buying a medium level computer online
or at Best Buy, Circuit City, etc.
Gene K
 
Gene said:
Bruce< Would just like to add that John would probably highly exceed his
needs/wants plus save money by simply buying a medium level computer online
or at Best Buy, Circuit City, etc.
Gene K


I'll have to differ with that assessment. The big box stores like
Circuit City and/or Best Buy are probably about the worst places in the
world from which to buy a computer. The sales staff is woefully
ignorant of what a given computer's capabilities are, and the after sale
tech support is simply horrendous.


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You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having
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Gene said:
Bruce< Would just like to add that John would probably highly exceed
his needs/wants plus save money by simply buying a medium level
computer online or at Best Buy, Circuit City, etc.
Gene K

I had thought of that but I have about 6 systems that are in the basement
what are not being used anymore. The system I want to upgrade already has
been upgrading as much as possible only to need an OS upgrade. I would be
better off adding a new MoBo and CPU than buying a bestbuy special.
Thanks anyway.
 
Bruce said:
It usually means that it's a pirated, copied CD, and there will be no
Product Key with which to perform the installation.

I admit that the price alone would scare me off but I have seen other deals
from Amazon.com for $150.00 seems real.
 
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