xp home network woes....

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After much searching of the net, reading and asking advice, I have been
unable to get my new pc (win xp home based os) to "see" my old pc (win
98se based os).

However, both pc's can access the net via my router, and the old pc can
"see" the new pc.

Lots of people have advised me that xp home is crap at networks, and xp
pro is much better.

So, a bit of advice would be appreciated....

Is xp pro better at networks?

Should I upgrade?

If I do upgrade, what is the best method to install xp pro over an
existing xp home installation? (and which files do I need to keep/rename
so that I can keep my settings/programs, etc?)

Thanx....

*Peter*
 
After much searching of the net, reading and asking advice, I have been
unable to get my new pc (win xp home based os) to "see" my old pc (win
98se based os).
Click to expand...

Let me think here... I've been through this... what did I do to fix it? <tap
tap tap>

I have XP, ME, 98SE, 98 & 95 systems on one network.

One thing I recall doing is making sure the network name was the same on all
systems. I *thought* it was and *thought* I had double checked it, but I
checked it again and found one with a different name.

I had to delete the .pwl file with my sign in name on it.

(This one solved a KEY problem that was bugging me on my ME system - my
start menu didn't say "Logoff <username>, it just said logoff - if I chose
logoff, then it would show "Logoff <username> and I could see the other
systems) - run Regedit, go to;

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/Software/Microsoft/Windows/CurrentVersion/Network

and delete the key "Real Mode Net"

That changed my life more than any other fix I found. Everything worked fine
after that. (I imagine I restarted the system after that deletion, but I'm
not sure)
 
After much searching of the net, reading and asking advice, I have been
unable to get my new pc (win xp home based os) to "see" my old pc (win
98se based os).

However, both pc's can access the net via my router, and the old pc can
"see" the new pc.

Lots of people have advised me that xp home is crap at networks, and xp
pro is much better.

So, a bit of advice would be appreciated....

Is xp pro better at networks?

Should I upgrade?

If I do upgrade, what is the best method to install xp pro over an
existing xp home installation? (and which files do I need to keep/rename
so that I can keep my settings/programs, etc?)

Thanx....

*Peter*
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I do not believe XP Pro. is going to help you. I think one feature Home
does not have is to be able to log onto an Domain.

Can you find it with computer name find?

Is sharing enabled on the XP Home machine?

Security?

NetBEUI could help (at least it does on a crossover).

Here's a huge thing a guy wrote about the reverse:

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=...-8&q=xp+home+can't+see+windows+98&sa=N&tab=wg

Here is one that sounds more like you:

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=...y.com&rnum=22&prev=/groups?num=100&hl=en&lr=%
26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26q%3Dxp%2Bhome%2Bcan%27t%2Bsee%2Bwindows%2B98%26s
a%3DN%26tab%3Dwg
 
A domain is not necessary on a small network. instead use a workgroup name.
WinXP Home and Win98 should be able to communicate on a small network.

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|
| | > After much searching of the net, reading and asking advice, I have been
| > unable to get my new pc (win xp home based os) to "see" my old pc (win
| > 98se based os).
| >
| > However, both pc's can access the net via my router, and the old pc can
| > "see" the new pc.
| >
| > Lots of people have advised me that xp home is crap at networks, and xp
| > pro is much better.
| >
| > So, a bit of advice would be appreciated....
| >
| > Is xp pro better at networks?
| >
| > Should I upgrade?
| >
| > If I do upgrade, what is the best method to install xp pro over an
| > existing xp home installation? (and which files do I need to keep/rename
| > so that I can keep my settings/programs, etc?)
| >
| > Thanx....
| >
| > *Peter*
|
| I do not believe XP Pro. is going to help you. I think one feature Home
| does not have is to be able to log onto an Domain.
|
| Can you find it with computer name find?
|
| Is sharing enabled on the XP Home machine?
|
| Security?
|
| NetBEUI could help (at least it does on a crossover).
|
| Here's a huge thing a guy wrote about the reverse:
|
|
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=...-8&q=xp+home+can't+see+windows+98&sa=N&tab=wg
|
| Here is one that sounds more like you:
|
|
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=...y.com&rnum=22&prev=/groups?num=100&hl=en&lr=%
|
26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26q%3Dxp%2Bhome%2Bcan%27t%2Bsee%2Bwindows%2B98%26s
| a%3DN%26tab%3Dwg
|
|
 
Meta WinAPI said:
A domain is not necessary on a small network. instead use a workgroup name.
WinXP Home and Win98 should be able to communicate on a small network.

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|
| | > After much searching of the net, reading and asking advice, I have been
| > unable to get my new pc (win xp home based os) to "see" my old pc (win
| > 98se based os).
| >
| > However, both pc's can access the net via my router, and the old pc can
| > "see" the new pc.
| >
| > Lots of people have advised me that xp home is crap at networks, and xp
| > pro is much better.
| >
| > So, a bit of advice would be appreciated....
| >
| > Is xp pro better at networks?
| >
| > Should I upgrade?
| >
| > If I do upgrade, what is the best method to install xp pro over an
| > existing xp home installation? (and which files do I need to keep/rename
| > so that I can keep my settings/programs, etc?)
| >
| > Thanx....
| >
| > *Peter*
|
| I do not believe XP Pro. is going to help you. I think one feature Home
| does not have is to be able to log onto an Domain.
|
| Can you find it with computer name find?
|
| Is sharing enabled on the XP Home machine?
|
| Security?
|
| NetBEUI could help (at least it does on a crossover).
|
| Here's a huge thing a guy wrote about the reverse:
|
|
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=...-8&q=xp+home+can't+see+windows+98&sa=N&tab=wg
|
| Here is one that sounds more like you:
|
|
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=...y.com&rnum=22&prev=/groups?num=100&hl=en&lr=%
26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26q%3Dxp%2Bhome%2Bcan%27t%2Bsee%2Bwindows%2B98%26s
| a%3DN%26tab%3Dwg
|
|
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I do not think he needs to have a domain. I was pointing out differences
between Home and Pro., which he asked about.
 
Right. And you are right about Home and Domains. Funny thing is that MS used
to offer [ or maybe still does ] software that enabled Win98 to log on to an
Active Directory Domain, but AFAIK they never provided that for WinXP Home.

The guy really should be able to get Win98 and WinXP H talking to each
other. He probably does not need to upgrade his Win98SE for a small network
situation. It's a matter of going over each item and making sure it is
correct.

Meta

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| | > A domain is not necessary on a small network. instead use a workgroup
| name.
| > WinXP Home and Win98 should be able to communicate on a small network.
| >
| > --
| >
| > Remove the Obstacle to reply by email or to Messenger me.
| >
| > --
| > | > |
| > | | > | > After much searching of the net, reading and asking advice, I have
| been
| > | > unable to get my new pc (win xp home based os) to "see" my old pc
(win
| > | > 98se based os).
| > | >
| > | > However, both pc's can access the net via my router, and the old pc
| can
| > | > "see" the new pc.
| > | >
| > | > Lots of people have advised me that xp home is crap at networks, and
| xp
| > | > pro is much better.
| > | >
| > | > So, a bit of advice would be appreciated....
| > | >
| > | > Is xp pro better at networks?
| > | >
| > | > Should I upgrade?
| > | >
| > | > If I do upgrade, what is the best method to install xp pro over an
| > | > existing xp home installation? (and which files do I need to
| keep/rename
| > | > so that I can keep my settings/programs, etc?)
| > | >
| > | > Thanx....
| > | >
| > | > *Peter*
| > |
| > | I do not believe XP Pro. is going to help you. I think one feature
Home
| > | does not have is to be able to log onto an Domain.
| > |
| > | Can you find it with computer name find?
| > |
| > | Is sharing enabled on the XP Home machine?
| > |
| > | Security?
| > |
| > | NetBEUI could help (at least it does on a crossover).
| > |
| > | Here's a huge thing a guy wrote about the reverse:
| > |
| > |
| >
|
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=...-8&q=xp+home+can't+see+windows+98&sa=N&tab=wg
| > |
| > | Here is one that sounds more like you:
| > |
| > |
| >
|
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=...y.com&rnum=22&prev=/groups?num=100&hl=en&lr=%
| > |
| >
|
26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26q%3Dxp%2Bhome%2Bcan%27t%2Bsee%2Bwindows%2B98%26s
| > | a%3DN%26tab%3Dwg
| > |
| > |
| >
| I do not think he needs to have a domain. I was pointing out differences
| between Home and Pro., which he asked about.
|
|
 
To get files from your XPH machine it involves the guest account. From a DOS
prompt type "net user guest password" and then from control panel-user
accounts set a password for the guest account. This might do the trick for
you. It is a good idea to have your shares password protected anyway.

Ken
 
Thanks. I tried that Linuxed flavor still no go. My problem isn't
client/password access it's "insufficent server memory to complete function"
or something. Doesn't matter if what OS is used to access the XPH I just
get the same message. Going out not a problem. Also it has nothing to do
with ICS I got the same message before the XPH was the ICS gateway. XPH
doesn't have an option for simple file sharing it's just a check box to
share or not share. Would you have another idea?
 
Thanx to all who commented, I've now got the home lan working ok, both pcs
can connect to the net, and both pcs can see each other and share
resources.

Unfortunately, I've changed so many things on these pcs over the last few
days, I'm not 100% sure what did the trick!!!

However, I think it was either enabling netbios over tcp, or using same
password and username on the win98 pc as for the xp pc that did it?

Thanx anyway, I'm happy again...

8-)

*Peter* - http://www.cix.co.uk/~pjgtech/home.html
 
Another idea is to look for and download Knoppix, http://www.knoppix.net/ a
linux distrubtion on a bootable cd. No operating system to install. Included
in the distribution is EtherReal, a packet capturing program. Boot off of
this on the machine you are trying to access XP Home shares and take a look
at the packets. You might find your answer threre.

Ken
 
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