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COLLIN
Being a MS Consultant, I will actually have to say that Linux XGL beats Aero
hands down!
hands down!
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Alexander Suhovey
COLLIN said:Being a MS Consultant, I will actually have to say that Linux XGL beats
Aero hands down!
I wonder if you mean h/w requirements of both of feature set. Because AFAIK
everything that can be done in OpenGL can be done with DirectX too. Aero
supports all 3D fancy effects you can think of. Vista does not have
skins/themes that implement all these effects, that's true.
But I exepect third party desktop enhancements/skins developers come up with
pretty cool products soon after Vista release.
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Will
I can verify that, on another partition I'm running Ubuntu 6.10 (edgy eft)
with XGL and Beryl
and Aero doesn't even come close to it.
It might all seem like exessive eye candy but some of the features are very
handy for example having 4 seperate desktops that you can flip through like
a cube is indeed very handy it gives you the ability to have seperate apps
running on each desktop and flip through them, a lot like Flip 3D in aero
but I just find it a bit more user friendly.
I will still always prefer Vista over linux due to it being more compatible
with mainstream software but linux is definately bridging the gap.
with XGL and Beryl
and Aero doesn't even come close to it.
It might all seem like exessive eye candy but some of the features are very
handy for example having 4 seperate desktops that you can flip through like
a cube is indeed very handy it gives you the ability to have seperate apps
running on each desktop and flip through them, a lot like Flip 3D in aero
but I just find it a bit more user friendly.
I will still always prefer Vista over linux due to it being more compatible
with mainstream software but linux is definately bridging the gap.
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COLLIN
I agree on the softwares availability as a factor, but I do not need to
migrate my XP to Vista. My main machine has become CentOS 4.4 (Red Hat free
alternative - same exactr source minus logos) with kernel upgrade and XGL
loaded - looks better than Vista too with all the free themes at Gnome Look.
I have my XP SP2 as a virtual guest when I need certain apps to use (too
lazy right now to configure in Wine). I do have Internet Explorer, Office
2003, etc running on CentOS 4.4 though.
migrate my XP to Vista. My main machine has become CentOS 4.4 (Red Hat free
alternative - same exactr source minus logos) with kernel upgrade and XGL
loaded - looks better than Vista too with all the free themes at Gnome Look.
I have my XP SP2 as a virtual guest when I need certain apps to use (too
lazy right now to configure in Wine). I do have Internet Explorer, Office
2003, etc running on CentOS 4.4 though.
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Will
I've tried Wine at this stage it's still a little slow
But I'm sure given time and a bit more development wine will run just fine
and when that happens I'll seriously consider switching 100% to linux
But I'm sure given time and a bit more development wine will run just fine
and when that happens I'll seriously consider switching 100% to linux
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Robert wilkens
You know, as a reference point, -- On the same exact computer.. With WINE
(Crossover office beta), World of Warcraft runs better in Linux than it does
in Windows Vista x64. Granted, it took a little extra setup to get it going
in Linux. No, I'm not a big game player, but I'm committing myself to try
to dedicate some of my online time to leisurely pursuits (hasn't really
happened yet).
-Rob
(Crossover office beta), World of Warcraft runs better in Linux than it does
in Windows Vista x64. Granted, it took a little extra setup to get it going
in Linux. No, I'm not a big game player, but I'm committing myself to try
to dedicate some of my online time to leisurely pursuits (hasn't really
happened yet).
-Rob
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Luis MKLS
That was the case awhile back - you obviously have not seen Yumex, Apt GUI
front ends, etc...you select a bunch of apps you like and click apply to
retrieve / download and installs for you...
If you are are talking with lack of knowledge, don't even argue the point
when you do not know. I like my XP SP2 fine but I also appreciate the Linux
(CentOS). When you say it's harder, it is because you lack the knowledge,
it's literally GUI front ends now to alot of the CLI. I use to think same
as you until I spent a week to actually learn it - that's alot less time
than when I learned Windows - obviously because I know about computer usage.
front ends, etc...you select a bunch of apps you like and click apply to
retrieve / download and installs for you...
If you are are talking with lack of knowledge, don't even argue the point
when you do not know. I like my XP SP2 fine but I also appreciate the Linux
(CentOS). When you say it's harder, it is because you lack the knowledge,
it's literally GUI front ends now to alot of the CLI. I use to think same
as you until I spent a week to actually learn it - that's alot less time
than when I learned Windows - obviously because I know about computer usage.
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mlai
I guess you haven't tried any of the current Linux distros....... I haven't
used Linux in the past 10 years and just tried ubuntu due to the possible
Vista Licensing fiasco. Boy, was I surprised. With all the current tools
and all major linux distros, installing apps are way easier than XP........
Everything is automatic. Where Linux still needs to catch up is in the
realm of central management, where MS OS still leads......
used Linux in the past 10 years and just tried ubuntu due to the possible
Vista Licensing fiasco. Boy, was I surprised. With all the current tools
and all major linux distros, installing apps are way easier than XP........
Everything is automatic. Where Linux still needs to catch up is in the
realm of central management, where MS OS still leads......
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Donald L McDaniel
I wonder if you mean h/w requirements of both of feature set. Because AFAIK
everything that can be done in OpenGL can be done with DirectX too. Aero
supports all 3D fancy effects you can think of. Vista does not have
skins/themes that implement all these effects, that's true.
But I exepect third party desktop enhancements/skins developers come up with
pretty cool products soon after Vista release.
WindowBlinds is scheduled to be Vista-ready with the GP release of
Vista at the end of January, 2007.
http://www.stardock.com
http://www.objectdesktop.com
http://www.windowblinds.com
Donald L McDaniel
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Donald L McDaniel
I guess you haven't tried any of the current Linux distros....... I haven't
used Linux in the past 10 years and just tried ubuntu due to the possible
Vista Licensing fiasco. Boy, was I surprised. With all the current tools
and all major linux distros, installing apps are way easier than XP........
Everything is automatic. Where Linux still needs to catch up is in the
realm of central management, where MS OS still leads......
Linux also needs to "catch up" in the area of professionally-designed
apps. For the most part, Linux apps are written and designed by
amateurs, resulting in amateurish apps, which tend to be unstable.
Many Linux drivers also need more gui-based front-ends for
configuration. Trying to configure a video-card using a text file is
insanity-making, to say the least.
This is probably not going to happen until enough people start
purchasing their hardware expressly for Linux, and the OEMs start
writing and releasing Linux drivers which are final release, rather
than beta-quality.
Donald L McDaniel
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Will
I don't know when you last used Linux
But the latest release of Nvidia drivers for linux has a frontend Gui that
can be configured from the desktop pretty much the same as the Nview control
panel for windows
But the latest release of Nvidia drivers for linux has a frontend Gui that
can be configured from the desktop pretty much the same as the Nview control
panel for windows
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Guest
"Luis MKLS" wrote:
Actually, I have obviously seen and worked with DSL, SLED, RH and Fedora
Core 5 and 6. Not one has been able to install the Cisco VPN client without
the headaches I have listed. DSL is obviously not to blame since it is a
bare minimal installation and darn good for the size and scope of what it is
supposed to do.
While I admit, I lack a lot of linux knowledge, its not from a lack of
trying. In fact, I even challenged the uber linux guru and security guy in
my IT dept to get a compiled version of the client and he was unable to. So
obviously, you have not done this before and maybe a lack of knowledge on
your part. Try installing the Cisco VPN client on your linux distro and tell
me with a straight face that it was easier than installing it on windows.
Actually, I have obviously seen and worked with DSL, SLED, RH and Fedora
Core 5 and 6. Not one has been able to install the Cisco VPN client without
the headaches I have listed. DSL is obviously not to blame since it is a
bare minimal installation and darn good for the size and scope of what it is
supposed to do.
While I admit, I lack a lot of linux knowledge, its not from a lack of
trying. In fact, I even challenged the uber linux guru and security guy in
my IT dept to get a compiled version of the client and he was unable to. So
obviously, you have not done this before and maybe a lack of knowledge on
your part. Try installing the Cisco VPN client on your linux distro and tell
me with a straight face that it was easier than installing it on windows.