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is there one that does not install but unzips to a directory of my choosing ?
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Bob Adkins
Is there a good one, PERIOD?
Bob
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Bob Adkins
Selida is my favorite too. But in the land of the blind, the 1-eyed man is
king.
I even find that OOo is easier to use than Selida. There must be something
better. WYSIWYG, that is.
Bob
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Not that I've found. And I have looked. The OOo one never seems to do
what I want - could be I'm too impatient though.
Not that I've found. And I have looked. The OOo one never seems to do
what I want - could be I'm too impatient though.
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Bebop & Rocksteady
Web Dwarf
http://www.virtualmechanics.com/
WebPlus
http://www.freeserifsoftware.com/
Amaya
http://www.w3.org/Amaya/
Trellian WebPAGE
http://webpage.vendercom.com/overview.htm
AOLPRESS
http://members.aol.com/rjdriver/aolpress.htm
Matizha
http://www.matizha.com/en/products/sublime/index.html
OpenOffice.org has an WYSIWYG HTML Editor (I personal find it pretty easy
to use though I don't (I use Dreamweaver MX))
AbiWord & 602 Suite
has HTML Filters (i believe I may be wrong)
They all claim to have WYSIWYG.... but I don't know which ones you have
tried
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Bebop & Rocksteady wrote in
absolute positioning, and saved the whole site in a proprietary format.
It's not proper HTML, and to do funky stuff with it you have to fire up
Web Dwarf and open up your file (1 file per site, and that makes me
nervous) to make small changes/add code etc, then export the changes. I
like results that you can just open in whatever text editor comes to hand
to make small changes with. That said, if you're a complete beginner;
have just 1 site to make and maintain; and have no interest whatsoever in
learning HTML, then you could find it useful.
going over, but time, biggish downloads and the fact that you have to
register all keep putting me off.
VERY simple to use, and has hidden depths. I'm not sure about creating a
whole site with it, as it's labour intensive. Pretty handy for editing
text of pages already created though. Of course, code generated with
this is going to be compliant, which is a plus. The code view pops up in
a separate box, which is irritating if you're used to a DW-style tab
between views. Another irritant is that every time it starts, it sets
the start directory to 4 dirs into your program files dir, so it's 4
clicks to root before you start looking for the page to edit.
over the place....I know the code is there, but I don't really want to
see it except in code view - offputting. That said, this would be my #2
choice behind Selida
think you could compensate with frequent use, but why bother when Selida
exists? I would use this, but more as a "export documents to HTML but
with less crap code than Word" sort of thing.
This is a weird one. When I tried it, it was WYSIWYG, but it uses
absolute positioning, and saved the whole site in a proprietary format.
It's not proper HTML, and to do funky stuff with it you have to fire up
Web Dwarf and open up your file (1 file per site, and that makes me
nervous) to make small changes/add code etc, then export the changes. I
like results that you can just open in whatever text editor comes to hand
to make small changes with. That said, if you're a complete beginner;
have just 1 site to make and maintain; and have no interest whatsoever in
learning HTML, then you could find it useful.
Not tried it. I keep meaning to d/l the whole serif suite and give em a
going over, but time, biggish downloads and the fact that you have to
register all keep putting me off.
Another weird one. Not quite a browser, not quite a web editor. It's
VERY simple to use, and has hidden depths. I'm not sure about creating a
whole site with it, as it's labour intensive. Pretty handy for editing
text of pages already created though. Of course, code generated with
this is going to be compliant, which is a plus. The code view pops up in
a separate box, which is irritating if you're used to a DW-style tab
between views. Another irritant is that every time it starts, it sets
the start directory to 4 dirs into your program files dir, so it's 4
clicks to root before you start looking for the page to edit.
I've not tried it. Basically, I just don't trust the company.
Not tried it - It has AOL in the name.
Flaky as hell on my system. Also, it puts little DIV and P symbols all
over the place....I know the code is there, but I don't really want to
see it except in code view - offputting. That said, this would be my #2
choice behind Selida
I *sort* of like it, but so far, in my experiments WYS is not WYG. I
think you could compensate with frequent use, but why bother when Selida
exists? I would use this, but more as a "export documents to HTML but
with less crap code than Word" sort of thing.
Not tried.
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Bob Adkins
AbiWord is a cool text editor, and saves in HTML. It's very limited,
however. Still a nice MS Word substitute. Not tried 602 for HTML, but tried
the office functions. It's rough compared to OOo, and keeps trying to
upgrade you to the Pro features.
Trellian is weird, but actually works pretty well. In the end, it wore me
out with the on-screen tags jumping around like jumping beans.
Maybe I'll practice some more with Selida and it will grow on me. Not like
warts, I hope.
Bob
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George
No, all produce bad code. Invest a little time in learning HTML and
CSS. You don't need to be an expert to write good web pages which
validate properly. And you have to know HTML and CSS anyway as you'll
have to able to correct the errors WYSIWYG editors produce.
George
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Bob Adkins
As long as it works right, who gives a fat rat's ass about bad code? I'm
looking for one that works so I can post it on my Web page.
I refuse to invest major time on a minor program to post on a minor web
page. I'd rather use OOo or Selida and use a code cleaner-upper, or just
remove the category entirely.
Everyone does not need beautiful Web pages, and not everyone is
anal-retentive. ;-)
PS: I didn't say I needed CSS, and I really, really don't.
Bob
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Bob Adkins
Did you try Delphad yet? Take it from me, don't try it. I mean, WHAT *IS
THAT THING?
Bob
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-- M --
I've tried 'em all and here is my review of each. Bear in mind that I design
relatively simple sites with HTML and some Javascripts. No flash animations
or the like. . .
---Frontpage Express / Expresso:---
It's good and I use it for about 90 percent of my stuff. People vent about
it cuz it's M$ and supposedly infests your HTML with all sorts of improper
stuff. However, it's excellent for getting the layout down pat, THEN you can
switch to hand coding (using HTML Tidy or TidyGUI) to clean up or fine-tune
the code.
(I can't imagine hand coding a sophisticated layout from scratch -- I think
these people who claim to be "purists" are either exxagerating their
capabilities or are suckers for punishment. . .)
Expresso is identical to Frontpage Express. According to my research, it WAS
Frontpage Express, simply licensed out under another name. I have a copy and
will forward to whoever wants it -- it's hard to find these days.
The nice thing about FP Express is that it allows you easily add new
attributes to tags that didn't exist in the HTML that was present at the
time the program came out.
---Web Dwarf / Serif Web Plus / DHE Editor---
All of these use absolute positioning of elements and they all have
proprietory formats. You can't open a current HTML page and tweak it. It's
basically one way -- from the program to HTML. However, they do allow for
interesting layouts that would be impossible or very difficult to achieve
with HTML -- I'm not sure how older browsers would render these pages
though.
Serif has started to bombard me with junk email in my throwaway account, so
beware of that issue.
---Amaya / Selida / Matizha---
Amaya is a horrible thing to work with as somebody has mentioned. I tried
Selida, Sublime and Matizha and found them either buggy, not able to do
sophisticated layouts, or weren't very accurate when I viewed the final
product. One of them - I forget which - kept crashing on me.
---Trellian---
I've also been playing around with the latest version of Trellian. Seems to
be the best one out there after Frontpage Express. However, it does want to
install all sorts of extra stuff that integrates with my IE. You do have the
option to uninstall this extra stuff. So far they haven't swamped my junk
email address with spam.
It's nice in that you can quickly switch back and forth between WYSIWYG and
direct coding.
---AOL Press---
Discontinued for years, but still highly popular, particularly if your site
isn't very complex. I used it for years, thought it was excellent. Don't
ignore it just because of the name.
Based on my particular usage of programs
1. Frontpage Express (90% +)
2. Handcoding (Combination of notepad, ACEHtml and HTMLKit)
3. Trellian / AOLPress
Sorry, no URLs supplied here, but I'm short on time. . . You know how to
find em.
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relatively simple sites with HTML and some Javascripts. No flash animations
or the like. . .
---Frontpage Express / Expresso:---
It's good and I use it for about 90 percent of my stuff. People vent about
it cuz it's M$ and supposedly infests your HTML with all sorts of improper
stuff. However, it's excellent for getting the layout down pat, THEN you can
switch to hand coding (using HTML Tidy or TidyGUI) to clean up or fine-tune
the code.
(I can't imagine hand coding a sophisticated layout from scratch -- I think
these people who claim to be "purists" are either exxagerating their
capabilities or are suckers for punishment. . .)
Expresso is identical to Frontpage Express. According to my research, it WAS
Frontpage Express, simply licensed out under another name. I have a copy and
will forward to whoever wants it -- it's hard to find these days.
The nice thing about FP Express is that it allows you easily add new
attributes to tags that didn't exist in the HTML that was present at the
time the program came out.
---Web Dwarf / Serif Web Plus / DHE Editor---
All of these use absolute positioning of elements and they all have
proprietory formats. You can't open a current HTML page and tweak it. It's
basically one way -- from the program to HTML. However, they do allow for
interesting layouts that would be impossible or very difficult to achieve
with HTML -- I'm not sure how older browsers would render these pages
though.
Serif has started to bombard me with junk email in my throwaway account, so
beware of that issue.
---Amaya / Selida / Matizha---
Amaya is a horrible thing to work with as somebody has mentioned. I tried
Selida, Sublime and Matizha and found them either buggy, not able to do
sophisticated layouts, or weren't very accurate when I viewed the final
product. One of them - I forget which - kept crashing on me.
---Trellian---
I've also been playing around with the latest version of Trellian. Seems to
be the best one out there after Frontpage Express. However, it does want to
install all sorts of extra stuff that integrates with my IE. You do have the
option to uninstall this extra stuff. So far they haven't swamped my junk
email address with spam.
It's nice in that you can quickly switch back and forth between WYSIWYG and
direct coding.
---AOL Press---
Discontinued for years, but still highly popular, particularly if your site
isn't very complex. I used it for years, thought it was excellent. Don't
ignore it just because of the name.
Based on my particular usage of programs
1. Frontpage Express (90% +)
2. Handcoding (Combination of notepad, ACEHtml and HTMLKit)
3. Trellian / AOLPress
Sorry, no URLs supplied here, but I'm short on time. . . You know how to
find em.
M
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Iain Cheyne
-- M -- said:
Sensible advice.
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REMbranded
Did you try Delphad yet? Take it from me, don't try it. I mean, WHAT *IS
THAT THING?
I tried it as a text editor. I write what little html I do by hand, so
I did not check out the wysiwyg part of it. I take it that it's not
good?
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Bob Adkins
I don't think it's really a WYSIWYG editor. I couldn't get it to work, but
maybe it's me.
Bob
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Bob Adkins
I've been wishing for Front Page Express. Please forward it.
Bob
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Spoon2001
Followed the discussion, but nobody mentioned Mozilla Composer. How does it
stack up against the ones already mentioned?
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tlshell
FSVO "works" -- if it's bad code, then there will be somewhere that it
won't work.
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Blinky the Shark
I suspect Bob's working on the "looks okay in my IE" plan.
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DC
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