WinXP Backup

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I have tried to use the WinXP backup program but it keeps insisting on
"insert a diskette in the floppy drive". However, the new computers do not
have floppy drives, so is there any way to change that or bypass it?

Thanks,

TRCSr
 
TRCSr said:
I have tried to use the WinXP backup program but it keeps insisting on
"insert a diskette in the floppy drive". However, the new computers do not
have floppy drives, so is there any way to change that or bypass it?

Thanks,

TRCSr

You should be able to click on the destination or target and change the
location from the A: drive to either a USB hard drive or another location on
the fixed hard drive/s in the computer. From there you can burn to CD or
DVD as the XP backup can only copy to Floppy, hard drive or to USB hard
drive or flash drive (unless you have tape.) In other words you need to
change to a different drive letter.
 
If you are trying to do a ASR you will need a floppy drive. Backups are
important. Dump the archaic NTBackup program and get a decent third party
solution. I use TrueImage from Acronis but there are several other very good
programs.
 
LVTravel said:
You should be able to click on the destination or target and change the
location from the A: drive to either a USB hard drive or another location
on the fixed hard drive/s in the computer. From there you can burn to CD
or DVD as the XP backup can only copy to Floppy, hard drive or to USB hard
drive or flash drive (unless you have tape.) In other words you need to
change to a different drive letter.

Of course the backup method I recommended is only for data backup. Others
have posted for full system recovery you need the floppy using the built in
XP backup and they are absolutely correct. If your reason for the backup is
full system recovery, a drive cloning software like Acronis True Image is
much more desirable.
 
LVTravel said:
Of course the backup method I recommended is only for data backup.
Others have posted for full system recovery you need the floppy using
the built in XP backup and they are absolutely correct. If your
reason for the backup is full system recovery, a drive cloning
software like Acronis True Image is much more desirable.

But then you can buy a USB floppy drive these days for $10 too.
 
If you are trying to do a ASR you will need a floppy drive. Backups
are important. Dump the archaic NTBackup program and get a decent
third party solution. I use TrueImage from Acronis but there are
several other very good programs.

Yes, backups are important and well worthwhile the first time you need
one. But to denigrate what a poster is working with is not only
egotistical but comes close to the suggestion that he's a nut for even
trying to use it, which is far from the case. What you've done is
patently wrong and a very poorly stated post. You've taken a stance
close to namecalling here rather than assisting anyone. And on top of
that you fail to even provide more than one recommendation and that
without a reason behind it.

There is nothing "archaic" about ntbackup. It's fully functional and
does everything one needs until you hit the ignorance of MS requiring a
floppy for the ASR. But even that's easily taken care of with a $10
external floppy.

AFTER that is all sorted out, THEN to suggest Norton's Ghost or Acronis
True Image make good next-level suggestions. There's also BootItNG if
as a 3rd choice and beyond those three there are more good choices
available.

Twayne
 
Twayne said:
Yes, backups are important and well worthwhile the first time you need
one. But to denigrate what a poster is working with is not only
egotistical but comes close to the suggestion that he's a nut for even
trying to use it, which is far from the case. What you've done is
patently wrong and a very poorly stated post. You've taken a stance close
to namecalling here rather than assisting anyone. And on top of that you
fail to even provide more than one recommendation and that without a
reason behind it.

There is nothing "archaic" about ntbackup. It's fully functional and does
everything one needs until you hit the ignorance of MS requiring a floppy
for the ASR. But even that's easily taken care of with a $10 external
floppy.

AFTER that is all sorted out, THEN to suggest Norton's Ghost or Acronis
True Image make good next-level suggestions. There's also BootItNG if as
a 3rd choice and beyond those three there are more good choices available.

Twayne

God Bless your heart Twayne. You are good enough and smart enough and dang
it people like you. Repeat that in the mirror every night before going to
bed OK?
 
TRCSr said:
I have tried to use the WinXP backup program but it keeps insisting on
"insert a diskette in the floppy drive". However, the new computers do not
have floppy drives, so is there any way to change that or bypass it?

Thanks,

TRCSr
I just bought and connected a USB floppy and went on my way.
The next snag was finding that the only way to restore the backup was by
using a WinXP installation disk.
So, what I decided to do was install Acronis True Image. This program does
not need or use a floppy.
This program also can create a rescue disk to allow restoring the backup.

There are other backup programs around, but I have not used any of them.

Jim
 
Twayne said:
Yes, backups are important and well worthwhile the first time you need
one. But to denigrate what a poster is working with is not only
egotistical but comes close to the suggestion that he's a nut for even
trying to use it, which is far from the case. What you've done is
patently wrong and a very poorly stated post. You've taken a stance
close to namecalling here rather than assisting anyone. And on top of
that you fail to even provide more than one recommendation and that
without a reason behind it.

There is nothing "archaic" about ntbackup. It's fully functional and
does everything one needs until you hit the ignorance of MS requiring a
floppy for the ASR. But even that's easily taken care of with a $10
external floppy.

It appears that you don't understand the purpose of the ASR floppy and
that you don't understand the Windows XP installation process. The ASR
floppy requirement falls in the same line as the floppy requirement when
supplying an unattended winnt.sif answer file or when using the F6
method to load third party drivers. When you understand the purpose of
the files on the ASR diskette and when you understand that flash drives
and CD burners hardly existed in 2001 then you will understand that the
requirement for a floppy diskette is not Microsoft ignorance, it was the
only practical way to make ASR work, without the diskette hardly no one
would have been able to use ASR.

John
 
Twayne said:
It appears that you don't understand the purpose of the ASR floppy and
that you don't understand the Windows XP installation process.

Not only do I understand them I've used them, including testing ASR
floppies on my test bed.

The
ASR floppy requirement falls in the same line as the floppy
requirement when supplying an unattended winnt.sif answer file or
when using the F6 method to load third party drivers.

Duhhh, you think I should be surprised that to write to a floppy that
.... wait for it ... I need to put a floppy in the drive? Or a CD to
load my drivers are install times? That makes no relevancy at all.

When you
understand the purpose of the files on the ASR diskette and when you
understand that flash drives and CD burners hardly existed in 2001
then you will understand that the requirement for a floppy diskette
is not Microsoft ignorance, it was the only practical way to make ASR
work, without the diskette hardly no one would have been able to use
ASR.

Oh, I see! And CD drives didn't exist in 2001 then? Hmm, what the hell
was I burning my data to then; waffles?
Along with serving up almost forced installs of IE7, fixing how many
thousands of bugs, adding a firewall and all the rest of that since
2001, then I guess it would have been impossible for the brilliants at
MS to have "fixed" the ASR creation process so it could write to (gasp!)
a CD? Or a DVD? Or didn't they exist either?
Let's see, IIRC it was around 1983 Phillips or Sony came up with the
CD for audio? And about the mid 90's, things got pretty hot and heavy
over the CD/DVD releases and soon CDs started showing up in user's
computers?

"Hardly Existed" in 2001 was never an excuse for MS to avoid anything,
let alone a reason to perpetually maintain the necessity of a floppy
drive over the intervening years of thousands of updates and additions
they made to their operating systems. . I could excuse a business
decision in 2001 to not design for optical drives. I understand however
that even Vista and the planned version 7 (with talk about 8) hasn't
addressed it either. Why? Because MS has decided the floppy should go
the way of the dinosaur with the advent of sticks, thumbs, etc.. IMO
for all of MS's fame over backward compatability, this is/was a
monumental black eye for them and did nothing but support their
marketing vision and ignore their users.
It's curious they would work so hard do away with floppy drives and
yet continue to provide software that requires floppy drives. And also
that as the floppy did being its demise, they couldn't be bothered to
fix the only-floppy requirement.
If you'e like it put more succinctly, it's because MS doesn't GAS for
their users, haven't for many years and haven't the faintest intention
of doing some very sensible things. A floppy drive was and is for the
forseeable future one of the requirements for any purchase of a machine
that I make, even if it has to come inthe form of a $10 external pkg.
Yes, I still have a slew of floppies, which are refreshed twice a year
and so far none have gone belly up except the one I dropped and the
spring popped out of the door.

MS's abandonment of its customers doesn't stop at the simple problem of
a missing floppy drive either. Their history for the last decade is
rife with developer development and automatic obsoletion where they
worked very hard to remove current developer's abilities to make their
own decisions and forced them to upgrade. They want to be the single
source for all computer related software and probably hardware shortly
in the world and that's part of what is driving the move to Open source
on them. They've hung themselves on their own attitudes.

So, whatever your silly point was, there's my response to it. Your
assumptions are wrong and so are you. Apparently, your post was nothing
but an attempt to minimize the easy ability to continue to use ntbackup,
complete with an ASR disk, and apparently you resent anyone who would
dare to say ntbackup is a useful app, which it definitely IS. It's
dummies like you that want to confuse people with seeming facts and
innuendo that confuses people and amounts to nothing more than
misinformation in the end. I currently use imaging software, but I also
use ntbackup to create System State backups at will. It's just a
keyclick and it's done. In spite of Microsoft.
 
TRCSr said:
I just bought and connected a USB floppy and went on my way.
The next snag was finding that the only way to restore the backup was
by using a WinXP installation disk.

?? I don't understand that. With the properly prepared ASR floppy and
related backup set, you wouldn't need your install disk; what happened?
So, what I decided to do was install Acronis True Image. This
program does not need or use a floppy.
This program also can create a rescue disk to allow restoring the
backup.

Acronis is indeed a decent imaging application and highly recommended.
There are other backup programs around, but I have not used any of
them.

I've tested a few of them; finall settled on Ghost, mainly for its speed
and ease of setup, but Acronis runs a very close second; it's one of
those ymmv and pricing things. Ghost has gotten expensive unless you're
doing an upgrade and even those offers are becoming harder to find.

Twayne
 
Twayne said:
?? I don't understand that. With the properly prepared ASR floppy and
related backup set, you wouldn't need your install disk; what happened?

Well, after reading your last rambling rant it sure isn't very
surprising to see you now make a completely incorrect statement like
that. If, as you said earlier, you had fully tested ASR then you should
know that you need your Windows XP installation CD to launch and perform
an ASR.

John
 
Twayne said:
Well, after reading your last rambling rant it sure isn't very
surprising to see you now make a completely incorrect statement like
that. If, as you said earlier, you had fully tested ASR then you
should know that you need your Windows XP installation CD to launch
and perform an ASR.

John

No, you do not. I don't know what you're thinking of, but you've missed
something along hte way.
 
Twayne said:
No, you do not. I don't know what you're thinking of, but you've missed
something along hte way.

Ok, you have made an ASR backup, your computer bombs out completely,
nothing to be done to fix it, you are down to your last option and you
must resort to performing an Automated System Recovery. Other than
using Remote Installation Services (RIS) server please tell us how you
intend to do this without a Windows XP cd?

John
 
Sorry to get you off your topic, but you're my only hope for asking this
rather basic question. I bought an external hard drive to back up my system
and was trying to use the XP backup system. However, I don't have it in my
accessory menu and it's not on my operating disc so I can add it manually as
Microsoft says it should be. I don't know where else to look for it . . .
am I missing something?

Julie
 
Sorry to get you off your topic, but you're my only hope for asking this
rather basic question. I bought an external hard drive to back up my system
and was trying to use the XP backup system. However, I don't have it in my
accessory menu and it's not on my operating disc so I can add it manually as
Microsoft says it should be. I don't know where else to look for it . . .
am I missing something?



Is this XP Home? Backup is installed automatically on XP Professional,
but not on XP Home. If you have the complete XP Home CD, find backup
on the CD, in \ValueAdd\MSFT\NTBACKUP and install it yourself by
doubleclicking the file ntbackup.msi.

If you don't have an XP CD, you can download ntbackup.msi at
http://www.onecomputerguy.com/software/ntbackup.msi Also see
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=302894
 
Twayne said:
Ok, you have made an ASR backup, your computer bombs out completely,
nothing to be done to fix it, you are down to your last option and you
must resort to performing an Automated System Recovery. Other than
using Remote Installation Services (RIS) server please tell us how you
intend to do this without a Windows XP cd?

John

Boot, let it do its work, point to the backups and go.

This is getting old.
 
Twayne said:
Boot, let it do its work, point to the backups and go.

This is getting old.

No, it's not getting old at all! Tell us how you will boot the non
booting computer to run ASR?

John
 
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