Windows Vista Blindness and Pain

[Guest]

A couple of weeks ago just bought a new PC with Windows Vista home ultimate.
Let me share my painfull experience.

My first impression was good: fancy looking graphs, couple of new features
here and there, great.

All was fine until I tried to connect to the internet.

First the modem/router/wirless (breezecom) did't obtain IP address: found
out it the DCHP flag had to be manually switched off (using regedit) due to
incompatibility. I even updated the router firmware....

Second, some times after I reboot, PCI and other controllers are installed
all over again and I simply loose all info on the wirless connection (WEP
key,...). I'm currently in "connection 17". Sometimes it can't even detect
the wifi link or the connection simply goes intermitent. And this "repair"
feature is truly a joke (and offense for those who know something about
computers): it never repairs anything at all, just the usual "switch off and
then on" like when you call the network-cable help number.

Third, tried to install Nero OEM and it turns out it is incompatible. Tried
also other versions and nothing. At this moment can't even make the restore
DVD (PC vendor supplied the PC with a printed paper stating I needed to make
a restore DVD using a "standard DVD writer SW compatible with ISO files").

Forth, yesterday was simply a blast: suddenly the windows media player
stoped working and disapeared from the "programs" bar on the start button,
together with other programs. I use windows since v3.1 and never saw
something like this, perhaps only comparable to windows milenium.

I will probably simply perform a new fresh installation of windows. Or go
back to windows XP. Honestly.



I'm simply desperate and whish i did not buy windows vista.

 

[Saucy]

INLINE:


I think you are not being entirely honest or are not making the proper
effort.

A couple of weeks ago just bought a new PC with Windows Vista home
ultimate.
Let me share my painfull experience.

And that's the first clue why. There is no "Home Ulitmate". There's a Home
Basic, a Home Premium and an Ulitmate version, but no "Home Ultimate".

My first impression was good: fancy looking graphs, couple of new features
here and there, great.

Sure sure. It is true Vista is a nice refresh on Windows. But there are far
more than "a couple" new features. There are many 'new' (a relative term, of
course) features:

[Features new to Windows Vista -Wikipedia]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_Vista

All was fine until I tried to connect to the internet.

First the modem/router/wirless (breezecom) did't obtain IP address: found
out it the DCHP flag had to be manually switched off (using regedit) due
to
incompatibility. I even updated the router firmware....

A couple teething problems, hm hm.

Second, some times after I reboot, PCI and other controllers are installed
all over again and I simply loose all info on the wirless connection (WEP
key,...). I'm currently in "connection 17". Sometimes it can't even detect

Where exactly did you get this "computer" ??

the wifi link or the connection simply goes intermitent. And this "repair"
feature is truly a joke (and offense for those who know something about
computers): it never repairs anything at all, just the usual "switch off
and
then on" like when you call the network-cable help number.

What (!?), you think it uses hammers and nails?



Sometimes bringing the network completely down then bring it all back up as
per the correct settings can fix things.

Third, tried to install Nero OEM and it turns out it is incompatible.

Use a compatible version of Nero. All's need do is visit the Nero site to
check.

Tried
also other versions and nothing. At this moment can't even make the
restore
DVD (PC vendor supplied the PC with a printed paper stating I needed to
make
a restore DVD using a "standard DVD writer SW compatible with ISO
files").

Windows Vista doesn't burn ISO out-of-the-box. You need third party
software. So it is not a Vista problem .. contact the publisher of your ISO
burning software.

Forth, yesterday was simply a blast: suddenly the windows media player
stoped working and disapeared from the "programs" bar on the start button,

You probably moved it. Or your PC is a lemon.

together with other programs. I use windows since v3.1 and never saw
something like this, perhaps only comparable to windows milenium.

Nice try. Many people like Vista.

I will probably simply perform a new fresh installation of windows. Or go
back to windows XP. Honestly.

It's your computer, do as you will. Perhaps a clean re-install is a good
idea. Check Paul Thurrott's site for info on performing a true clean install
even if you have the upgrade media:

[How to Clean Install Windows Vista with Upgrade Media]
http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_upgrade_clean.asp

But don't do anything that would void your warranty. You might think about
going to the people who sold you the thing with your list of problems and
let them fix it.

I'm simply desperate and whish i did not buy windows vista.

You might try a clean install. Line up the drivers etc. before-hand. Make
sure they are known-compatible. Same goes with any softwares you plan to
install.

Anyway, I hope you figure out something that works for you. I'd give Vista
another spin, only plan ahead etc etc. it might work out better.

Some caveats: if it is a laptop, there might be some 'restore' partition
onthe harddrive and you might be advised to leave things alone. If some of
the hardware of the laptop truly is not working - like the wireless, then
perhaps you'd better go back to those who sold you the thing. Don't do
anything that would void your warranty. A PC sold to you with an OS
pre-installed should work, so if it is not, you might want to simply go to
the seller and let them get things working for you.

 

[Lucvdv]

Second, some times after I reboot, PCI and other controllers are installed
all over again

It's done that here with some of my hardware too, a number of times,
after a week or two it seems to have stopped.

But now I'm thinking I haven't ever completely shut down and powered
off after it last happened, only rebooted (without powering down) and
for the rest used sleep instead of shutdown. It wouldn't surprise me
if it came back after a full shutdown.

 

[Pipboy]

First the modem/router/wirless (breezecom) did't obtain IP address: found
out it the DCHP flag had to be manually switched off (using regedit) due to
incompatibility. I even updated the router firmware....

Where is info on this DHCP flag? I have a similar issue with Vista and want
to see if it fixes it. Vista is taking about five minutes to get my routers
IP address. Once it gets it everything is ok but I don't want to wait five
minutes every time I boot into Vista.

 

[Guest]

Where is info on this DHCP flag? I have a similar issue with Vista and want
to see if it fixes it. Vista is taking about five minutes to get my routers
IP address. Once it gets it everything is ok but I don't want to wait five
minutes every time I boot into Vista.

Type regedit in the "run" and then browese for "DhcpConnForceBroadcastFlag" in

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Tcpip\Parameters\Interfaces\

It should be set to zero. Be carefull when using regedit...

 

[Saran]

INLINE:


I think you are not being entirely honest or are not making the proper
effort.

Actually his assessment of Vista is rather consistant wit hboth my own
experiences and those of others I've been workign with and reading about
online.

And that's the first clue why. There is no "Home Ulitmate". There's a
Home Basic, a Home Premium and an Ulitmate version, but no "Home
Ultimate".

He probably meant the Ultimate edition, as if that was difficult to
deduce...

Sure sure. It is true Vista is a nice refresh on Windows. But there
are far more than "a couple" new features. There are many 'new' (a
relative term, of course) features:

New my ass, most of the "new" features have been around in other forms
for years now. Everything else is more of the same under the bling and
glamor. Get over it, and stop propigating half truths and distortions of
what Vista really is.

A couple teething problems, hm hm.

you really are in denial if you think there are only a "couple teething
problems"... form my own experience so far the entrire OS is practically
one huge problem.

Where exactly did you get this "computer" ??

I've had lots of problems not unlike those listed by the OP in my own
experience helping two different customers with two different
pre-builts.

Use a compatible version of Nero. All's need do is visit the Nero
site to check.

You wouldn't have to if Microsoft actually cared to keep things working
as they should... theres ABSOLUTELY NO REASON for these incompatibilies
to even exist. If I didn't know better, I'd say some things that soem
programs relied on were purposely broken to get people to spend more
money to get new versions of this and that that you otherwise wouldn't
need to buy.

Again, stop trying to push the lemming attitude and see Vista for what
it really is.

Windows Vista doesn't burn ISO out-of-the-box. You need third party
software. So it is not a Vista problem .. contact the publisher of
your ISO burning software.


You probably moved it. Or your PC is a lemon.

Or it's just another problem with Vista... I was working yesterday wit
ha Customer... IE7 out of no wehre, for NO REASON, stopped owrking..
kept crashing on start... stepped out to get a drink, came back 15 min
later... it suddenly started working again. There was no processes going
on when I stepped out, no one came in and did anything, it just randomly
stopped working and then revived it self.

So don't try to say Vista isn't a likely culprit. Just makes you look
more and more like a damn sheep everytime you try to defend it.

Nice try. Many people like Vista.

Keep telling your self that. Stop defending Vista, stop trying to paint
a false picture of what Vista is or deny it's many flaws... it makes you
look about as genuin as the Divinci Code.

People who are really in the know and have spent time knee deep in Vista
will see you as being just another patsy for Microsoft (and probably the
DRM as well.) Don't be a lemming.

 

[Guest]

But now I'm thinking I haven't ever completely shut down and powered
off after it last happened, only rebooted (without powering down) and
for the rest used sleep instead of shutdown. It wouldn't surprise me
if it came back after a full shutdown.

I have just noticed in the device manager that my computer PCI has a memory
conflict between address 7FF00000 - FEBFFFFF correponding to an overlap
between PCI and some other component. Maybe you also have similar conflict?
And perhaps this is the reason, must see...

My motherboard is an ASUS 64-bit ready P5VD2-MX using duo intel core 2 4300
@1.8GHz loaded with 2GB Mem.

 

[Saucy]

INLINE:

Actually his assessment of Vista is rather consistant wit hboth my own
experiences and those of others I've been workign with and reading about
online.


He probably meant the Ultimate edition, as if that was difficult to
deduce...

Well, it is indicative of a 'not even bothering to check' attitude or a
troll post.

New my ass, most of the "new" features have been around in other forms for
years now. Everything else is more of the same under the bling and glamor.
Get over it, and stop propigating half truths and distortions of what
Vista really is.

Notice I typed: "a relative term of course". You don't need to hit me about
using the term "new", as I'm well aware that some things that might be 'new'
to a particular OS or piece of softwares is not actually "new" in a fuller
sense of the word.

you really are in denial if you think there are only a "couple teething
problems"... form my own experience so far the entrire OS is practically
one huge problem.

If that were the sole problem, then yes, it is a teething problem. A little
adjustment and it was working, so what?

I've had lots of problems not unlike those listed by the OP in my own
experience helping two different customers with two different pre-builts.

Are these 'upgrades' to Vista or new machines. The OP has a new machine. The
problems may not be because of Vista, rather, how the computer manufacturer
put the package together. Usually, a new computer is tested by the
maufacturer to make sure the package works. If it doesn't, then that's the
manufacturer's fault/responsibility.

You wouldn't have to if Microsoft actually cared to keep things working as
they should... theres ABSOLUTELY NO REASON for these incompatibilies to
even exist. If I didn't know better, I'd say some things that soem
programs relied on were purposely broken to get people to spend more money
to get new versions of this and that that you otherwise wouldn't need to
buy.

It's a new OS and not all the more system level/utility softwares out there
are going to work with it. Some will need updating. Nero needs updating.
Visit the Nero site for Vista compatible Nero softwares.

Again, stop trying to push the lemming attitude and see Vista for what it
really is.

An excellent client/workstation operating system.

Or it's just another problem with Vista... I was working yesterday wit ha
Customer... IE7 out of no wehre, for NO REASON, stopped owrking.. kept
crashing on start... stepped out to get a drink, came back 15 min later...
it suddenly started working again. There was no processes going on when I
stepped out, no one came in and did anything, it just randomly stopped
working and then revived it self.

See above. The PC is two weeks old. If it is not working A-OK, that's the
manufacturer's fault. If the user installed incompatible softwares, that's
the user's fault.

So don't try to say Vista isn't a likely culprit. Just makes you look more
and more like a damn sheep everytime you try to defend it.


Keep telling your self that. Stop defending Vista, stop trying to paint a
false picture of what Vista is or deny it's many flaws... it makes you
look about as genuin as the Divinci Code.

I don't have to tell myself that. I'm using Vista right now on three
machines and they work great.

People who are really in the know and have spent time knee deep in Vista
will see you as being just another patsy for Microsoft (and probably the
DRM as well.) Don't be a lemming.

I'm not. I enjoy using Vista and say so.

 

[mikeyhsd]

sounds like a faulty computer, RETURN it before the time runs out.
demand one that works.
its NOT vista fault totally.

(e-mail address removed)@sport.rr.com

A couple of weeks ago just bought a new PC with Windows Vista home ultimate.
Let me share my painfull experience.

My first impression was good: fancy looking graphs, couple of new features
here and there, great.

All was fine until I tried to connect to the internet.

First the modem/router/wirless (breezecom) did't obtain IP address: found
out it the DCHP flag had to be manually switched off (using regedit) due to
incompatibility. I even updated the router firmware....

Second, some times after I reboot, PCI and other controllers are installed
all over again and I simply loose all info on the wirless connection (WEP
key,...). I'm currently in "connection 17". Sometimes it can't even detect
the wifi link or the connection simply goes intermitent. And this "repair"
feature is truly a joke (and offense for those who know something about
computers): it never repairs anything at all, just the usual "switch off and
then on" like when you call the network-cable help number.

Third, tried to install Nero OEM and it turns out it is incompatible. Tried
also other versions and nothing. At this moment can't even make the restore
DVD (PC vendor supplied the PC with a printed paper stating I needed to make
a restore DVD using a "standard DVD writer SW compatible with ISO files").

Forth, yesterday was simply a blast: suddenly the windows media player
stoped working and disapeared from the "programs" bar on the start button,
together with other programs. I use windows since v3.1 and never saw
something like this, perhaps only comparable to windows milenium.

I will probably simply perform a new fresh installation of windows. Or go
back to windows XP. Honestly.



I'm simply desperate and whish i did not buy windows vista.

 

[Saran]

INLINE:





Well, it is indicative of a 'not even bothering to check' attitude or
a troll post.




Notice I typed: "a relative term of course". You don't need to hit me
about using the term "new", as I'm well aware that some things that
might be 'new' to a particular OS or piece of softwares is not
actually "new" in a fuller sense of the word.

Fair enough... but if thats true, then wheres the logic all the hype for
it then?

If that were the sole problem, then yes, it is a teething problem. A
little adjustment and it was working, so what?

Vista needs far more than "a little adjustment"...

Are these 'upgrades' to Vista or new machines. The OP has a new
machine. The problems may not be because of Vista, rather, how the
computer manufacturer put the package together. Usually, a new
computer is tested by the maufacturer to make sure the package works.
If it doesn't, then that's the manufacturer's fault/responsibility.

The ones I worked on were fresh installs on pre builts. Home Premium on
both.

It's a new OS and not all the more system level/utility softwares out
there are going to work with it. Some will need updating. Nero needs
updating. Visit the Nero site for Vista compatible Nero softwares.

You're completely missing the point: said softwares that are deemed
incompatible, should be fully compatible if Microsoft actually cared on
preserving things... there was no reason to break the way some programs
install... the only entities who could possibly gain from that are the
software makers.

An excellent client/workstation operating system.

Ya, and so was Windows ME...

See above. The PC is two weeks old. If it is not working A-OK, that's
the manufacturer's fault. If the user installed incompatible
softwares, that's the user's fault.

If the creator of the OS broke certain mechanisms that had no busienss
being broken, that's not the fault of Microsoft and the OS?

I don't have to tell myself that. I'm using Vista right now on three
machines and they work great.

Then thats fine, continue to use thme if you so desire. Just realize
therers a lot mroe people dissatified with Vista then actually happy
with it. The bulk of which can see right through Vista's "bling bling"
and see that theres really nothing new under the hood.. if anything they
broken many things that should not of been changed, considering how it
completely breaks how some types of installers do things, like a
particular way of registering DLLs... this is where I've seen the
majority of installs fail.

I'm not. I enjoy using Vista and say so.

You say you're not yet you're using Vista and pretending you have brand
new next generation rather than a very ellaborately disguised rehash.

In the end, IMHO, it's not worth all the extra costs of the OS itself,
new hardware, + all the new versions of software you ALREADY OWN, just
to be able to run them on Vista. I really don't know who people like you
find sense and logic in all this mess.

You blindly preach about how Vista is so great and you want to tell
people like me who've spent time deep down in it's gusts seeing what
makes it tick, people who've thus far had a very painful experience with
it, and throw in the DRM issues associtated with it, that you could
possibly know everythign about it? And you say you're not behaving as a
lemming, doing exactly as you're told to do by the powers that be? Look
again in the mirror and tell me whose the one listening to the media,
the stores, the ads.

* * * * * *

Just answer me this if nothing else: Why should anyone upgrade to a
bigger, heavier operating system, as if we have no choice, as if the
world is coming to an end, as if we couldn't have a far faster and
leaner system with XP or other, as if something absolutely catastrophic
is going to happen if you don't upgrade, if you don't embrace DRM like a
good little consumer. Do you really beleive we should forever be slaves
to the media and Ads and what not?

I just want a direct answer from this question. Not some needly
half-a-line remark, but a real intelligent reply.

* * * * * *

 

[Saucy]

Windows Vista is about a 60% re-write. And it is based on the code fork
Windows Server 2003 is written on - not XP's fork. So, indeed, it can be
considered a new OS.

 

[Steve K.]

Windows Vista is about a 60% re-write. And it is based on the code
fork Windows Server 2003 is written on - not XP's fork. So, indeed,
it can be considered a new OS.

That is 100% bull crap, perpetuated by both Microsoft with help from the
media. Anyoen who spends enough time going through all the innards of
Vista will come to realize there isn't all that much rewritten. A hell
of a lot is still pure carry over... theres still even win 3.11 style
dialogs in there in some places as has been the case for a long time
now. some people have used the Install new font box as an example.

"rewrite"... the EXACT same thing was said about 98 and ME... the
actualy changes were in reality minimal, with icon changes and such.
Vista isn't really different in that regard, other than the fact they
wrote a new GUI, which can be replicated using Win Blinds, and there
have been programs for at least 2 years that the Side-Bar widgets and
task flip do.

Maybe the the new GUI, 3d task-flip, and widget clone amount for the
bulk of the "rewrite", as wel las some changes to some dialogs and some
tweaks and changes of Explorer and such. But the basic functionality and
well as many MANY cabon copies make up all the rest.

Maybe "rewrite" is completely the wrong word. More like modifications
and some additions is more correct. A new OS would imply completely new
system, not a mountain of carry overs, which is the picture that was
painted all along with LongHorn/Vista.

 

[Guest]

First thanks for replying and kind suggestions. Second, I agree with Saran in
that your reasoning is very MS biased. The ammount of windows vista flavours
is, in my opinion, excessive and confusing. It is also a clear attempt to
copy what competitors are doing + trying to see what will stick/survive, also
called evolutionary branching.

As with any new OS, HW compatibility is a pain and in that respect all work
is never enought. I have spent a LOT of time installing Vista and this is
bottom line here. Maybe I was unlucky with the HW I had, but so will other
million users.

In the end I've restored Vista using the DVD and carefully installed all the
HW and for the moment it seems to work fine. Don't know for how long...

INLINE:


I think you are not being entirely honest or are not making the proper
effort.

A couple of weeks ago just bought a new PC with Windows Vista home
ultimate.
Let me share my painfull experience.

And that's the first clue why. There is no "Home Ulitmate". There's a Home
Basic, a Home Premium and an Ulitmate version, but no "Home Ultimate".

My first impression was good: fancy looking graphs, couple of new features
here and there, great.

Sure sure. It is true Vista is a nice refresh on Windows. But there are far
more than "a couple" new features. There are many 'new' (a relative term, of
course) features:

[Features new to Windows Vista -Wikipedia]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_Vista

All was fine until I tried to connect to the internet.

First the modem/router/wirless (breezecom) did't obtain IP address: found
out it the DCHP flag had to be manually switched off (using regedit) due
to
incompatibility. I even updated the router firmware....

A couple teething problems, hm hm.

Second, some times after I reboot, PCI and other controllers are installed
all over again and I simply loose all info on the wirless connection (WEP
key,...). I'm currently in "connection 17". Sometimes it can't even detect

Where exactly did you get this "computer" ??

the wifi link or the connection simply goes intermitent. And this "repair"
feature is truly a joke (and offense for those who know something about
computers): it never repairs anything at all, just the usual "switch off
and
then on" like when you call the network-cable help number.

What (!?), you think it uses hammers and nails?



Sometimes bringing the network completely down then bring it all back up as
per the correct settings can fix things.

Third, tried to install Nero OEM and it turns out it is incompatible.

Use a compatible version of Nero. All's need do is visit the Nero site to
check.

Tried
also other versions and nothing. At this moment can't even make the
restore
DVD (PC vendor supplied the PC with a printed paper stating I needed to
make
a restore DVD using a "standard DVD writer SW compatible with ISO
files").

Windows Vista doesn't burn ISO out-of-the-box. You need third party
software. So it is not a Vista problem .. contact the publisher of your ISO
burning software.

Forth, yesterday was simply a blast: suddenly the windows media player
stoped working and disapeared from the "programs" bar on the start button,

You probably moved it. Or your PC is a lemon.

together with other programs. I use windows since v3.1 and never saw
something like this, perhaps only comparable to windows milenium.

Nice try. Many people like Vista.

I will probably simply perform a new fresh installation of windows. Or go
back to windows XP. Honestly.

It's your computer, do as you will. Perhaps a clean re-install is a good
idea. Check Paul Thurrott's site for info on performing a true clean install
even if you have the upgrade media:

[How to Clean Install Windows Vista with Upgrade Media]
http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_upgrade_clean.asp

But don't do anything that would void your warranty. You might think about
going to the people who sold you the thing with your list of problems and
let them fix it.

I'm simply desperate and whish i did not buy windows vista.

You might try a clean install. Line up the drivers etc. before-hand. Make
sure they are known-compatible. Same goes with any softwares you plan to
install.

Anyway, I hope you figure out something that works for you. I'd give Vista
another spin, only plan ahead etc etc. it might work out better.

Some caveats: if it is a laptop, there might be some 'restore' partition
onthe harddrive and you might be advised to leave things alone. If some of
the hardware of the laptop truly is not working - like the wireless, then
perhaps you'd better go back to those who sold you the thing. Don't do
anything that would void your warranty. A PC sold to you with an OS
pre-installed should work, so if it is not, you might want to simply go to
the seller and let them get things working for you.

 

[Saucy]

As with any new OS, HW compatibility is a pain and in that respect all
work
is never enought. I have spent a LOT of time installing Vista and this is
bottom line here. Maybe I was unlucky with the HW I had, but so will other
million users.

In the end I've restored Vista using the DVD and carefully installed all
the
HW and for the moment it seems to work fine. Don't know for how long...

It helps to enjoy the process and I guess I'm a bit biased because actually
like working with the OS. I'm glad to hear you have everything working.

 

[Shane Nokes]

Unless you have looked at the source code and know about the kernel changes
as well as the low level coding of new security features, not to mention the
way that the NTFS stack was rewritten then you are not in a position to
judge how much was changed.

I've been playing with this OS for far longer than most established testers
out there and I can guarantee that NO LESS THAN 60% of the code was
rewritten from the Server '03 code it was forked from. (That's talking about
after the restart 2 years ago, not just based on the original code that was
dumped)

The code that you talk about is actually a very small amount of code, but to
change that one font dialog would have meant a nightmare of unraveling other
pieces of code.

In the end the decision was made to just leave it in for now as that dialog
is almost never used since fonts are drag and drop. However believe me when
I say that those last bits of legacy code are in the process of removal.

 

[Pipboy]

Type regedit in the "run" and then browese for "DhcpConnForceBroadcastFlag" in

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Tcpip\Parameters\Interfaces\

It should be set to zero. Be carefull when using regedit...

Great, thanks.

 

[Bill]

That is 100% bull crap, perpetuated by both Microsoft with help from the
media. Anyoen who spends enough time going through all the innards of
Vista will come to realize there isn't all that much rewritten. A hell
of a lot is still pure carry over... theres still even win 3.11 style
dialogs in there in some places as has been the case for a long time
now. some people have used the Install new font box as an example.

It is XP rewritten for the Movie and Music industry. It just WONT work,
if you do something naughty. Apparently, it just WONT work.

 

[Nina DiBoy]

Windows Vista is about a 60% re-write. And it is based on the code fork
Windows Server 2003 is written on - not XP's fork. So, indeed, it can be
considered a new OS.

Actually it is based on longhorn server:
http://news.com.com/2100-1016_3-6075912.html

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Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:
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Most recent idiotic quote added to KICK (Klassic Idiotic Caption Kooks):
"I do know for a fact that his monkey really needs a spanking. The monkey
gets "out of hand" if you know what I mean!"

"Good poets borrow; great poets steal."
- T. S. Eliot

 

[Steve K.]

I think it's possible for any of us to know for sure what was modified
and what wasn't. Saying they modified "60%" is a very useless statement
if you really think about it. Even in developer forums in cases liek
this, as well as general hype, things tend to get greatly exagerated.

It's far too easy to take sort of wording as verbatium, when in reality
the evidence seems to suggest that actual modifications in that %60 (if
it is in fact 60) are mostly small modification and tweaks, with a few
over hauls (eg, the UAC system, which IMHO seems more like a dirts hack
then actual security... [1] )

I mean take a good serious look around the whole system... better yet
put the appearance to classic mode ("Windows Standard") and set the
startmenu to classic mode too... then look around for a good while going
through al lthe dialogs and programs all over... some dial ogs are
updated but their function is the same... some are direct carry overs...
some (install new fonts) are right out of Win 3.x generation, some form
NT 4 and 2000 and 2003/XP style....

There is very little that is actually new... you'll notice it is really
more of the same with some modifications here and there, in addition to
the new bells and whistles.

No, I've spent soem quality time with the OS.. having used Windows since
v1.0, I can safely wager far less then 60% was ACTUALLY changed.


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[1]
Why doesn't it make you enter the administrator password instead of the
simple Yes/No box you get all the time? In any Unix/Linux distro I've
used, to perform something as an admin (root) you need to enter the
password (eg: su) but in Vista, what ever password the admin account has
is completely irrelevent it seems.