Windows Mail ot Mozilla Thunderbird?

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William R. Mosher

Which is the better email client, Windows Mail or Mozilla Thunderbird? I know Windows Mail is still beta, but I find that they are so close that I switch between the two and it does not seem very different.

William
 
William said:
Which is the better email client, Windows Mail or Mozilla
Thunderbird? I know Windows Mail is still beta, but I find that they
are so close that I switch between the two and it does not seem very
different.

William
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Windows Mail is better, much better. I don't let Firefox/Thunderbird on my
system and strongly recommend against them. Firefox is a steamy pile of
holes and vulnerabilites - a "fool's gold" of security. My brother wanted to
try it once - no sooner had we put it on his system the Java VM that came
with it got compromised - junk. The only reason it is popular is because
people mindlessly knee-jerk enjoy bashing things Microsoft, not because of
its technical merit (of which it has little).
 
Thats cos its not very different, just prettier.
Windows Mail is better, much better. I don't let Firefox/Thunderbird on my
system and strongly recommend against them. Firefox is a steamy pile of
holes and vulnerabilites - a "fool's gold" of security. My brother wanted to
try it once - no sooner had we put it on his system the Java VM that came
with it got compromised - junk. The only reason it is popular is because
people mindlessly knee-jerk enjoy bashing things Microsoft, not because of
its technical merit (of which it has little).
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You are taking the piss man, Lookout Express has been a security
nigtmare for years and still is. OE & Winmail still has HTML mail set
as default - which is completely ludicrous. The "address book" has
been the biggest spreader of viruses around the world from the word go
because it is hopelessly insecure and set to add new contacts by
default. IE & Lookout Express get security update once a month,
Firefox and Thunderbird evet few days if necessary. Hacking an OE or
Hotmail account is pretty straightforward, my granny could do it with
a list of instructions.

Firefox with Noscript & Ad block installed is so much better than
IE6/7 / its in a different league.

Set it up right, with the correct extensions and it will be fine.

Jonah
 
jonah said:
Thats cos its not very different, just prettier.
You are taking the piss man, Lookout Express has been a security
nigtmare for years and still is. OE & Winmail still has HTML mail set
as default - which is completely ludicrous. The "address book" has
been the biggest spreader of viruses around the world from the word go
because it is hopelessly insecure and set to add new contacts by
default. IE & Lookout Express get security update once a month,
Firefox and Thunderbird evet few days if necessary. Hacking an OE or
Hotmail account is pretty straightforward, my granny could do it with
a list of instructions.

Firefox with Noscript & Ad block installed is so much better than
IE6/7 / its in a different league.

Set it up right, with the correct extensions and it will be fine.

Jonah
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I have been using OE for years. Set to display HTML and set for the
Internet Zone. Never got infected. Of course, I know I didn't win a
million dollars and that Microsoft didn't send me a patch. No one in a
foreign country needs my help to transfer money, either.
 
On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 20:19:31 -0500, "Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM"

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I have been using OE for years. Set to display HTML and set for the
Internet Zone. Never got infected. Of course, I know I didn't win a
million dollars and that Microsoft didn't send me a patch. No one in a
foreign country needs my help to transfer money, either.
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LOL

I never got infected via OE either cos I never used it, fixed plenty
of peoples machines that do use OE. You are either dead lucky, got a
good spam filter, Johnny no mates, or very knowlegable, I suspect the
latter.

The "Lookout Express" tag was not earned for nothing was it?

8-)

Jonah
 
If one regularly opens attachments using a non-OE email client instead of
OE, will somehow lower the risk of a malware attack? No.

Do you think that Thunderbird will somehow magically protect someone who
will open every attachment sent to him or her?

I just don't get the point you are trying to make. I've never succumbed to a
malware attack through Outlook nor through Outlook Express. But them I don't
open those screensavers. I don't think it takes *that* much computer savy
here. And if a person is so clueless as to open those .scr and .exe and .com
files attached to SPAM, well, how is Thunderbird (or whatever) supposed to
protect them?

Currently, OE installs set to the Restricted Zone. You can set it to read
everything in plain text. Free software like AVG can screen everything
coming in.
 
Your mention of AVG Antivirus software interests me. I did not know that
this software was compatible with Windows Vista. A check of their website
does not make mention of any compatibility with Vista, as far as, I can see.
If I am wrong - I stand corrected !!
JRH ......................
 
If one regularly opens attachments using a non-OE email client instead of
OE, will somehow lower the risk of a malware attack? No.

Do you think that Thunderbird will somehow magically protect someone who
will open every attachment sent to him or her?

I just don't get the point you are trying to make. I've never succumbed to a
malware attack through Outlook nor through Outlook Express. But them I don't
open those screensavers. I don't think it takes *that* much computer savy
here. And if a person is so clueless as to open those .scr and .exe and .com
files attached to SPAM, well, how is Thunderbird (or whatever) supposed to
protect them?

Currently, OE installs set to the Restricted Zone. You can set it to read
everything in plain text. Free software like AVG can screen everything
coming in.
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You are correct in what you say, no E Mail client can protet from
opening attachments. My main problem with OE is the vast amount of
attacks that then use OEs' address book to propagate themselves. Other
E Mail clients - Courier for eg are not vunerable to these sort of
attacks, one PC may be infected but it will not re-transmit infected e
mails to all others in the address book because the address book is
encrypted.

Thats my beef with OE, due to its popularity (through being installed
as default and deeply embeded in the OS) plus its close association
with that other devils spawn Windows Messenger it is highly
susceptible to attack and the most likely target.

Jonah
 
You are correct in what you say, no E Mail client can protet from
opening attachments. My main problem with OE is the vast amount of
attacks that then use OEs' address book to propagate themselves. Other
E Mail clients - Courier for eg are not vunerable to these sort of
attacks, one PC may be infected but it will not re-transmit infected e
mails to all others in the address book because the address book is
encrypted.

Thats my beef with OE, due to its popularity (through being installed
as default and deeply embeded in the OS) plus its close association
with that other devils spawn Windows Messenger it is highly
susceptible to attack and the most likely target.

Jonah
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The majority of the malware today searches the whole hard drive for email
addresses, not just the WAB.
 
.... which then makes only the Ted Stevens' of the world truly safe... an
irony of epic proportion!
 
The majority of the malware today searches the whole hard drive for email
addresses, not just the WAB.
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It can search all it likes if the e mail address book is encrypted it
won't be able to send anything, my courier mail on WinXP has its
actual mail box sitting on a Linux box, its not even on the HDD, just
the front end sits on windows. Incidentaly restoring, moving a mailbox
to another PC is dead easy, unlike the rigmarole you have to wade
through with OE.

If you like OE then fine, if you know what you are doing thats even
better, IMHO there are many far better e mail clients out there.

8-)

Jonah
 
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Ground Cover said:
Windows Mail is better, much better. I don't let Firefox/Thunderbird on my
system and strongly recommend against them. Firefox is a steamy pile of
holes and vulnerabilites - a "fool's gold" of security. My brother wanted to
try it once - no sooner had we put it on his system the Java VM that came
with it got compromised - junk. The only reason it is popular is because
people mindlessly knee-jerk enjoy bashing things Microsoft, not because of
its technical merit (of which it has little).


Firefox does not come with any Java. One must install a JavaVM seperately. On Vista, that would be the latest version 6 beta if you want Aero to remain active when using a Java applet. It's up to Sun to close security holes in Java as they are found, not Microsoft or Mozilla Corp.
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I've used Firefox and Thunderbird for several years. I wanted to test out
IE7 in Vista but the Favorites section doesn't expand any of my folders so
it's useless. I installed Firefox and Thunderbird and I'm happy again.
 
I never saw any need to move to Firefox or Thunderbird until about a
year ago when I discovered how cool Firefox was with extensions. I also
switched to Thunderbird for no real good reason other than I liked Firefox.

Using Vista I started with IE 7 and Windows Mail because they were there
and I need to know them for professional reasons but I also installed
Firefox and Thunderbird to see if they worked with Vista.

I think there have been some good improvements to IE but it still has a
way to go. Windows Mail looks like it will be better than Thunderbird.
Just a small thing but I like that I can "watch" a newsgroup thread with
a single click in WM but can't find a way to do the same in Thunderbird.

I don't have any axe to grind either way here. I still feel betrayed by
MS over the destruction of Visual Basic so have no loyalty reason to
support them. And I think most of the hype surrounding Firefox regarding
security is just MS bashing. Firefox has had quite a few security
updates too.
 
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