Windows Defender and Vista

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Hi Plun

Yes I strongly agree and have been an advocate of this from day one of MS
going into the AS business. While I appreciate all efforts have been focussed
on the Vista RTM later this year, I wonder whether the millions of people who
continue to use XP will ever have this benefit, or will have to wait until
they decide they can afford a new computer in order to successfully run
Vista. We could always hope MS will incorporate into an XP SP3 - if it ever
materialises ! Last speculation I saw about that was sometime in 2007 - seems
to be fading into oblivion.

Stu
 
Hi Stu

The bad guys will strangle Defendern with some stop commands
inside a malware............

But I can see a $-grin (sorry) behind this challenge to solve as
soon as possible.

regards
plun
 
:) You could be right on both counts. I wonder if WD will tell/warn you if it
has been compromised?

Stu
 
I realise this is Off Topic but did you see Bink.nu today? Seems there has
been some concern expressed by the Brit Authorities over the BitLocker
encryption capability in Vista. They reckon it will make it seriously
difficult to crack comps confiscated from terrorist suspects in there on
going investigations. Could there be a last minute hitch or are MS getting
too smart for their own good - everyone elses, for that matter.

Stu
 
You know--given what I've seen with the unkillable tri-partite spyware
stuff, arranging come kind of tampering alert in Windows Defender shouldn't
be impossible. One note from a Microsoft staffer seemed to imply that they
were considering options.

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Yes that would be a great idea, a good way to go and would be welcomed by
many. I am quite convinced there are those who are going to devote their mis
directed IT talents trying discredit WD by targeting it in the same way they
have IE and the Windows OS itself over the years. It seems to be the
fashionable thing for them to do.

Stu
 
I agree that it is a likely target for malware--this was already true of the
beta1 product, although the line of viruses that targetted it were never
widely distributed. I am quite certain that this issue has been carefully
thought out in the planning behind Windows Defender, but I don't know what
safeguards are in place. I suspect we won't see a publicly posted detailed
list of them!

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We know WD is a great malware target. This is made even more difficult by
the fact that so much spyware runs as administrator (or even system) and we
have to make Windows Defender managable, too.

So our threat model ended up being extensive and pretty special.

We have a number of mitigations in the product, and on Vista we take
advantage of many OS capabilities that aren't available downlevel. More
should be in the RTM version, too.

However, it's an arms race, but I'd say if WD is getting attacked and not
users, we're winning.

Regards,
Joe
 
Joe said:
However, it's an arms race, but I'd say if WD is getting attacked and not
users, we're winning.

Regards,
Joe
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Hi

You mean with some sort of social engineering as with several
trojans which installs PUPs with some help from a user ?

And this is not about Vistan, it´s about XP !

This will be a "longrun" to switch over. 100% sure !

Win3.1 to Win95 great, Win98 to XP also great. XP to Vista a
"longrun", probably takes several years.

So please include Defendern to XPs Securitycenter !


regards
plun
 
Sounds like a good philosophy Joe, but wearing WD on your comp is much like
going out on the streets of LA in a bullet proof vest. The protection better
be good else you are history :)

Stu
 
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