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Guest
When do you guys think will Microsoft release even a beta of Windows Defender
1.5/2.0?
1.5/2.0?
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Bill Sanderson MVP
Interesting question. I wonder whether it will be a part of the development
of the next Windows version, myself?
of the next Windows version, myself?
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Robinb
you mean vista sp1?
or is there something else coming out other than vista service pak?
robin
or is there something else coming out other than vista service pak?
robin
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Bill Sanderson MVP
There will be another version of Windows--don't know the codename, yet. The
SP1 question is interesting--I suppose there might be some tweaks in
Defender for that, but I wouldn't expect a lot of changes at this
point--that is very nearly ready for beta release.
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SP1 question is interesting--I suppose there might be some tweaks in
Defender for that, but I wouldn't expect a lot of changes at this
point--that is very nearly ready for beta release.
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Hawkins
They surely must call it French Windows. The catch is you have to open it
twice for best results.
Richard.
twice for best results.
Richard.
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Dave M
Both cleaver and funny - thanks for the laugh.
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Robinb
then why push out Vista if they are coming out with another OS?
what is going to happen to all the ppl that now have Vista?
Why come out with Vista at all if they were planning to come out with
another OS?
robin
what is going to happen to all the ppl that now have Vista?
Why come out with Vista at all if they were planning to come out with
another OS?
robin
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Hawkins
It follows the principle of generating cash flow. There will always be
people and OEMs who will push out the latest and greatest in the name of
Mammon.
I am sticking with XP and probably will for years to come.
Richard
people and OEMs who will push out the latest and greatest in the name of
Mammon.
I am sticking with XP and probably will for years to come.
Richard
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Bill Sanderson MVP
They need to keep up with advances in hardware, with the process of
standards proposal and ratification, and changes in what people expect the
machine to be able to do--or wish that it could do.
Aside from the question of cash flow and income, things change, and Windows
needs to change as well.
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standards proposal and ratification, and changes in what people expect the
machine to be able to do--or wish that it could do.
Aside from the question of cash flow and income, things change, and Windows
needs to change as well.
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robinb
me too, in fact i only sell Vista to those who use the computer for nothing
else but to surf the internet or email and even them i try to talk them out
of it and buy xp. I still can get new computers running xp on them.
robin
else but to surf the internet or email and even them i try to talk them out
of it and buy xp. I still can get new computers running xp on them.
robin
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robinb
that is bull
I believe that Microsoft is only out for the money. Vista was suppose to be
the WOW and the all all. Turns out it is the lla lla
. Fix what is broken
with a service pak or don't come out with another messed up OS.
robin
I believe that Microsoft is only out for the money. Vista was suppose to be
the WOW and the all all. Turns out it is the lla lla
. Fix what is brokenwith a service pak or don't come out with another messed up OS.
robin
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Anonymous Bob
robinb said:that is bull
I believe that Microsoft is only out for the money. Vista was suppose to be
the WOW and the all all. Turns out it is the lla lla
with a service pak or don't come out with another messed up OS.
robin
As long as we're baring our souls...
It started with XP, a jazzed Millennium with more eye candy, though it will
write CD's (if they aren't iso files).
From what I've read of Vista, I'm very disappointed; many capability
problems, requires new software and hardware, long on eye candy, and still
missing the file system that was to have been in Windows 95. Meanwhile,
Windows 2000 does everything I need with my existing hardware and software.
Bob Vanderveen
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robinb
I have Vista home premium- got it from rc1 till final and if i had a choice
i would do without it.
But i need to know about it so i can teach it to the fools who purchase it.
and i do not mean bad fool, they become fools once they buy it. Most ppl
have no clue what it does or not because no one tells them. Stores are
looking to sell it. they are not going to tell you the bad about it only
the good.
Microsoft put some good ideas into vista, but with the problem of
purchasing new software because your old software will not work, and new
hardware if you are doing it as an upgrade (heaven forbid), it costs you
more money and headaches in the long run.
Oh if you are only surfing the internet or getting email, then Vista is
perfect for you. If you are actually using your computer for other than
"playing" stick with xp.
robin
i would do without it.
But i need to know about it so i can teach it to the fools who purchase it.
and i do not mean bad fool, they become fools once they buy it. Most ppl
have no clue what it does or not because no one tells them. Stores are
looking to sell it. they are not going to tell you the bad about it only
the good.
Microsoft put some good ideas into vista, but with the problem of
purchasing new software because your old software will not work, and new
hardware if you are doing it as an upgrade (heaven forbid), it costs you
more money and headaches in the long run.
Oh if you are only surfing the internet or getting email, then Vista is
perfect for you. If you are actually using your computer for other than
"playing" stick with xp.
robin
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Bill Sanderson MVP
We could mention that XP starts with the NT code base--i.e. it is descended
from Windows 2000--rather than the code base which ended with Millennium.
Putting David Cutler's OS out there on every consumer desktop (except my
Mother-in-law, who I just visited on the occasion of her 90th birthday, who
is with you--Windows 2000)--is a pretty significant accomplishment in my
view.
from Windows 2000--rather than the code base which ended with Millennium.
Putting David Cutler's OS out there on every consumer desktop (except my
Mother-in-law, who I just visited on the occasion of her 90th birthday, who
is with you--Windows 2000)--is a pretty significant accomplishment in my
view.
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Anonymous Bob
Bill Sanderson MVP said:
I'll give you points on David Cutler's OS. VMS worked very well.<g>
I wonder what we would have today if the OS2/Windows program in Boca had
survived.
Personally, I could do without Restore Points. XP insists on putting a
"System Information Volume" in every partition. You can turn it off for
individual partitions, but should you ever disable all and re-enable, every
partition get a new "System Information Volume. That's a real pain when
you're trying to set up Linux. I'd be much happier if I could enable it only
on the XP partition and make it stick.
To this day I consider Windows 2000 to be the most stable system I've run. I
guess I'm just an old stick-in-the-mud, but I prefer an all business OS
without the eye candy, just do the job and stay out of my way while giving
me all the system utilities I need to set up and run the system *my* way.
If I seem a little cranky, it may be due to a recent all-nighter I pulled
fighting the Microsoft way of doing things. I have XP and 2000 on my second
HD. While using gpart, a Linux related utility to set up my first HD for a
Linux install, I hurt myself badly by totally wiping my first HD. Getting
back to operation wasn't easy. I used Bart-PE to clean the partitions. Then
I did a partial install of Windows 98 to run fdisk and format. That was
followed by a partial install of XP to get to the recovery console to use
bootcfg /rebuild. Now I could edit boot.ini on the first partition of the
first HD.
There has *got* to be a better way!
I feel better now. Thank you. <bEg>
Bob Vanderveen
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Bill Sanderson
I can see why that'd make you cranky--that kind of thing does the same to
me. I will report, though that when I yesterday attempted to apply a beta
update to Vista, I was told that my system drive had too little free
space--needed about 200 megs more. The system drive on this laptop was
created by a utility to prep the drive for bitlocker encryption--I've never
turned that on, just prepped the drive for it. So--I went looking to see
how much work it would be to expand that S drive. Click on the drive in
disk management--tell it how much space to add, click apply. Done.
Took seconds.
I liked that.
I doubt it plays any nicer with Linux, though...
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me. I will report, though that when I yesterday attempted to apply a beta
update to Vista, I was told that my system drive had too little free
space--needed about 200 megs more. The system drive on this laptop was
created by a utility to prep the drive for bitlocker encryption--I've never
turned that on, just prepped the drive for it. So--I went looking to see
how much work it would be to expand that S drive. Click on the drive in
disk management--tell it how much space to add, click apply. Done.
Took seconds.
I liked that.
I doubt it plays any nicer with Linux, though...
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