'FrankChin' wrote, in part:
| What I got now is the system saying "going into hibernation" at night, and
| saying "resuming form hibernation" in the AM. I didn't actually shut off
the
| power.
_____
If a system is in hibernation, it can be unplugged from mains power and
minutes, hours, or days later it can be reconnected to mains power and will
REBOOT and then set the system state, system memory, and display memory to
exactly what it was just before it went into hibernation. Windows is NOT
restarted, it is restored to its state just before hibernation.
A system in hibernation can be brought out of hibernation by an EXTERNAL
event (as long as mains power is connected, the +5v standby power is
available for Wake-on-LAN and other events. What can NOT start the system
is an INTERNAL event, because, like Oakland, there is no there there.
When a system is hibernated, it IS TURNED OFF!
Which is probably why we question your description.
Phil Weldon
|
| Manny:
|
| Thinking further about it, if the I got the system scheduled to wake up
from
| hibernation at 4:55AM, I should be able "power it up" using an external
clock
| at 4:50, and it should start up, that is, if I POWERED it OFF the night
| before by clock. No reason not to.
|
| So far, I haven't hooked the PC up with a clock, and so far I haven't
stood
| around my PC to switch it off after it hibernates itself at 9:30PM, and
got
| up a few minutes before the 4:55AM task is scheduled to go.
|
| I'll give it a try today.
|
| What I got now is the system saying "going into hibernation" at night, and
| saying "resuming form hibernation" in the AM. I didn't actually shut off
the
| power.
|
| With standby "though", I doubt I can "power it down" and resume at exactly
| at the same point with standby, even using clocks. But with hibernation it
| will. Otherwise, what's the difference between the two functionally,
except
| for the fact that the data is saved from RAM to disk.
|
| Frank
|
| "Manny Borges" wrote:
|
| > Ahh yess.
| >
| > Please see back to my original post.
| >
| > You are not hibernating.
| >
| > --
| > Manny Borges
| > MCSE NT4-2003 (+ Security)
| > MCT, Certified Cheese Master
| >
| > There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those who do understand
binary
| > and those who don't.
| > | > >
| > > Manny:
| > >
| > > You don't PULL any PLUGS.
| > >
| > > In the hibernation state, the PC draws minimum power, less than
standby,
| > > so
| > > it can wake itself up when needed.
| > >
| > > Pulling the plug reminded me of a question asked of me when remote
| > > controlled TV's are new, and a friend wanted to know how a TV can turn
| > > itself
| > > back on with the remote if the TV has NO POWER. "Does the remote zap
some
| > > juice to it"??, he wanted to know. The answer of course is a chip is
| > > stilled
| > > powered in the TV, waiting for a signal, very much like a PC in
| > > hibernation.
| > > SO when a TV is off, it doesn't mean it's OFF (no power). The remote
| > > control
| > > to the TV won't work either if you UNPLUG the TV set.
| > >
| > > This scenario is easy enough for anyone to test.
| > >
| > > - First, get a GOOD NIGHTS SLEEP.
| > >
| > > - Place the PC into hibernation using any of the freeware out there
that I
| > > mentioned, i.e. Poweroff.exe, Winoff25.exe, or Sleeper.exe. Or you can
use
| > > the manual "power down" option via push button, or Ctl-Atl-Del combo,
but
| > > hold down the "shift key" in most PC models to change the "standby"
option
| > > to
| > > "hibernation" when choosing standby, poweroff or cancel.
| > >
| > > - DO NOT PULL ANY PLUGS, leave POWER ON TO THE PC.
| > >
| > > - Test the scenario by creating a task in the scheduler, such as
| > > Wakeup.bat
| > > ( my bat file says "REM stupdid little file to wake up the PC"), but
| > > checking
| > > off in the setting "Wake up the PC to run this task", and set the task
to
| > > start in 5 to 10 minutes.
| > >
| > > - Run over get a beer, come back and the PC should be up and running.
| > >
| > > IMPORTANT NOTE:
| > >
| > > When I started using hibernation, I get the messages on one PC after
| > > startup
| > > when the PC boots up, it reboots itself instead, and I get a message
| > > afterwards that the "PC just recovered from a serious error". The PC
| > > should
| > > not reboot coming out of hibernation.
| > >
| > > Checked into it and turns out that the BIOS firmware had to be
updated,
| > > and
| > > after the update, it worked fine with no errors.
| > >
| > > There are many other issues coming out of hibernation, this is one of
| > > them.
| > > Having 1 GIG or more of RAM is another.
| > >
| > > IMPORTANT IMPORTANT NOTE
| > >
| > > Leave "power on" to the PC for hibernation to work right. Don't unplug
the
| > > TV and expect the remote to work.
| > >
| > > Frank
| > >
| > >
| > >
| > >
| > > "Manny Borges" wrote:
| > >
| > >> Yeah, I am skeptical as well.
| > >>
| > >> Test it out.
| > >>
| > >> After the PC "hibernates" pull the power pluge for a fifteen count
and
| > >> see
| > >> if it reboots again without an outside intervention.
| > >>
| > >> --
| > >> Manny Borges
| > >> MCSE NT4-2003 (+ Security)
| > >> MCT, Certified Cheese Master
| > >>
| > >> There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those who do understand
binary
| > >> and those who don't.
| > >> | > >> > Maybe I'm just tired, but I really don't see how that works...
| > >> >
| > >> > :S
| > >> >
| > >> > "FrankChin" wrote:
| > >> >
| > >> >> Manny:
| > >> >>
| > >> >> The name of the freeware utility is "Poweroff", and you "google
for it
| > >> >> or
| > >> >> check it out at:
| > >> >>
| > >> >>
http://users.pandora.be/jbosman/applications.html
| > >> >>
| > >> >> I actually checked several utilities out (sleeper.exe,
Winoff25.exe),
| > >> >> but
| > >> >> this one got all the features I needed.
| > >> >>
| > >> >> You are correct that the PC goes into hibernation mode, and
everything
| > >> >> is
| > >> >> saved from Ram to "hiberfile.sys". Ever since the electric bill in
our
| > >> >> house
| > >> >> ran up to over $140.00/month as we got 4 PC's up and running, and
| > >> >> people
| > >> >> fall
| > >> >> asleep without turning them off for days, or just plain lazy, I
used
| > >> >> "Poweroff" to hibernate every PC at 9:30PM every night, with a 60
| > >> >> second
| > >> >> warning, so the user can cancel it if he's in the middle of
something.
| > >> >>
| > >> >> The nice thing is "Poweroff" can be used in "command line" mode,
and
| > >> >> it's
| > >> >> placed in a batch file which runs inside the Windows scheduler,
and
| > >> >> you
| > >> >> can
| > >> >> program the "shutdown message", "sound effects etc. Or you can
also
| > >> >> run
| > >> >> Poweroff as a service. I got it working both ways. The 6:30AM job
| > >> >> runs
| > >> >> in
| > >> >> command mode, and the 9:30PM job runs in the "service" mode.
| > >> >>
| > >> >> At 4:55AM every morning, a batch file called "Wakeup.bat" is
activated
| > >> >> in
| > >> >> the Windows scheduler Task where the settings for the Task "Wake
the
| > >> >> PC
| > >> >> to
| > >> >> run this task" is checked off. "Wakeup.bat" is simple a batch file
| > >> >> that
| > >> >> says:
| > >> >>
| > >> >> REM Dumb message file to Wake up the PC.
| > >> >>
| > >> >> With this, the PC is fully awoke from its hibernation mode by
4:57AM,
| > >> >> and
| > >> >> ready to run programs set to go starting at 5:00AM.
| > >> >>
| > >> >> So with the PC wide awake at before 5:00AM I have:
| > >> >>
| > >> >> -The antivirus scan scheduled at 5:00AM
| > >> >> -The backup program scheduled to run at 5:20
| > >> >> -Time check and reset running around 5:30AM
| > >> >> -Windows update scheduled for 6:00AM
| > >> >> -Hibernation scheduled for 6:30Am
| > >> >>
| > >> >> There was a "PC Magazine" article some time back suggesting a
Wakeup
| > >> >> routine, but they use a utility to "Reboot" the PC on startup,
which
| > >> >> "Poweroff is also able to do, via a different switch. I chose not
to
| > >> >> do
| > >> >> it
| > >> >> this way since some users walk away from "works in progress" at
night,
| > >> >> where
| > >> >> hibernation will preserve the data.
| > >> >>
| > >> >> So far, it worked well for me, and the wife reports that the
electric
| > >> >> bill
| > >> >> is now well below $80.00. It actually cost about $1.00/day to have
the
| > >> >> PC
| > >> >> on
| > >> >> 24 hours a day in New York CIty. You can see how four PC's running
| > >> >> 24/7
| > >> >> can
| > >> >> burn a hoie in my pocket.
| > >> >>
| > >> >> Hope this helps.
| > >> >>
| > >> >> Frank
| > >> >>
| > >> >>
| > >> >>
| > >> >>
| > >> >>
| > >> >>
| > >> >>
| > >> >>
| > >> >>
| > >> >>
| > >> >>
| > >> >>
| > >> >> "Manny Borges" wrote:
| > >> >>
| > >> >> > I am realy interested in the name of that freeware.
| > >> >> >
| > >> >> > Becasue real hibernation doesn't work that way at all.
| > >> >> >
| > >> >> > A truly hibernated comuter draws no power. It is off.
| > >> >> >
| > >> >> > All the data in RAM is saved to a file (hiberfile.sys) and the
| > >> >> > startup
| > >> >> > routine is flagged to load that instead of its normal checklist
of
| > >> >> > activites.
| > >> >> >
| > >> >> > A system in standby, however will do all the things you
mentioned.
| > >> >> > And you do not need any extra software to do it.
| > >> >> >
| > >> >> >
| > >> >> > --
| > >> >> > Manny Borges
| > >> >> > MCSE NT4-2003 (+ Security)
| > >> >> > MCT, Certified Cheese Master
| > >> >> >
| > >> >> > There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those who do
understand
| > >> >> > binary
| > >> >> > and those who don't.
message
| > >> >> > | > >> >> > > Philr:
| > >> >> > >
| > >> >> > > I got the PC's at home programmed via the WIndow's scheduler
to
| > >> >> > > "Hibernate"
| > >> >> > > rather than "Shut Down" that enables me to "wake up" the PC at
| > >> >> > > 4:55AM
| > >> >> > > each
| > >> >> > > morning to
| > >> >> > >
| > >> >> > > -Do backups
| > >> >> > > -Check for updates, WIndows and others
| > >> >> > > -Do virus and spy scans
| > >> >> > > -Update the time
| > >> >> > > etc. etc
| > >> >> > >
| > >> >> > > It automatically "hibernates" itself at 6:30AM. While I got it
| > >> >> > > done
| > >> >> > > daily,
| > >> >> > > but it can programmed it to do it weekly, or monthly. All of
which
| > >> >> > > is
| > >> >> > > done
| > >> >> > > while I'm sleeping. I still got to figure out how to shut off
the
| > >> >> > > speakers
| > >> >> > > while this is going on.
| > >> >> > >
| > >> >> > > Went out and downloaded some "freeware" so that I can program
the
| > >> >> > > "hibernation" process automatically.
| > >> >> > >
| > >> >> > > Frank
| > >> >> > >
| > >> >> > >
| > >> >> > >
| > >> >> > >
| > >> >> > > "Philr" wrote:
| > >> >> > >
| > >> >> > >> my computer runs xp home and is set to receive updates
| > >> >> > >> automatically. The
| > >> >> > >> time was set at 00:30 hrs - the computer is rarely on at this
| > >> >> > >> time.
| > >> >> > >> I
| > >> >> > >> have
| > >> >> > >> two questions:
| > >> >> > >> 1) will the update happen whenever the computer is turned on
or
| > >> >> > >> only
| > >> >> > >> at
| > >> >> > >> 00:30 hrs?
| > >> >> > >> 2) if I manually check for updates (once or twice a month)
there
| > >> >> > >> are
| > >> >> > >> ususally some available therefore they do not sem to be
| > >> >> > >> downloading
| > >> >> > >> automatically. Why is this?
| > >> >> > >> Thanks in advance.
| > >> >> >
| > >> >> >
| > >> >> >
| > >>
| > >>
| > >>
| >
| >
| >
