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Jim Ellis
Anybody know how to get this to work on Windows 98 systems
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Rodger
The system requirements says it doesn't support windows 98 or windows me. It
can only be used on Microsoft Windows 2000, Windows XP, or Windows ServerT
2003 machines. That's a shame and should really be looked at.
can only be used on Microsoft Windows 2000, Windows XP, or Windows ServerT
2003 machines. That's a shame and should really be looked at.
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Bill Sanderson
It won't:
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/requirements.mspx
Minimum system requirements for Windows AntiSpyware (Beta):
. Microsoft Internet Explorer 6.0 or higher
. A 300 MHz or faster processor with at least 64 MB of RAM
. Microsoft Windows 2000, Windows XP, or Windows ServerT 2003
. At least 10 MB of available free space on your hard disk
. Internet access with at least a 28.8 Kbps connection to use SpyNetT
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/requirements.mspx
Minimum system requirements for Windows AntiSpyware (Beta):
. Microsoft Internet Explorer 6.0 or higher
. A 300 MHz or faster processor with at least 64 MB of RAM
. Microsoft Windows 2000, Windows XP, or Windows ServerT 2003
. At least 10 MB of available free space on your hard disk
. Internet access with at least a 28.8 Kbps connection to use SpyNetT
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Guest
I disagree. I dont think it is a shame that Microsoft arent
offering their antispyware software to windows 98 and
windows me users. Infact i think Microsoft are wisening up.
It should be a wake up call for people to keep up with
technology and keep their security top notch. Come on, ffs
win 98 is now 7 years old, and win me, that just went badly
wrong
offering their antispyware software to windows 98 and
windows me users. Infact i think Microsoft are wisening up.
It should be a wake up call for people to keep up with
technology and keep their security top notch. Come on, ffs
win 98 is now 7 years old, and win me, that just went badly
wrong
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Locke Nash Cole
I've successfully used the msi2xml tool to allow Microsoft Antispyware to
install on a Windows 98 environment, however some of the code in the
application itself is hard coded and geared towards XP/2K so even hacking
the program to work on 98 is not going to work (or at least not without tons
of effort).
-L
install on a Windows 98 environment, however some of the code in the
application itself is hard coded and geared towards XP/2K so even hacking
the program to work on 98 is not going to work (or at least not without tons
of effort).
-L
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Guest
Keep their security top notch? *lol* You mean XP? *roflmao*
I've been running 98se without anti-virus (don't try it at
home)for over a year. Try THAT suicide mission on XP.
I've been running 98se without anti-virus (don't try it at
home)for over a year. Try THAT suicide mission on XP.
-----Original Message-----
I disagree. I dont think it is a shame that Microsoft arent
offering their antispyware software to windows 98 and
windows me users. Infact i think Microsoft are wisening up.
It should be a wake up call for people to keep up with
technology and keep their security top notch. Come on, ffs
win 98 is now 7 years old, and win me, that just went badly
wrong
98
or windows me. Itor
Windows ServerT
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Walter Clayton
No problem on XP either. ;-)
The only time my AV triggers, with me at the keyboard, is when I'm
intentionally inspecting something.
Be careful about generalizations and assumptions. You'll also find that I
can point you some directions that will put 9x on it's knees in a heart
beat.
--
Walter Clayton
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
The only time my AV triggers, with me at the keyboard, is when I'm
intentionally inspecting something.
Be careful about generalizations and assumptions. You'll also find that I
can point you some directions that will put 9x on it's knees in a heart
beat.
--
Walter Clayton
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
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Guest
Oh, I'm never going to be careful about assumptions and
generalizations. I need those to remind me that I'm not a
computer. Now speakin' of kneepads... *lol*
Seriously though, I guess it just doesn't bother anyone
here that M$ had to actually go out of it's way to remove
the 9x compatibility that Giant had built in. Other than
that, they haven't done much with it yet, except to remove
a few (not all) Giant logos from the software.
generalizations. I need those to remind me that I'm not a
computer. Now speakin' of kneepads... *lol*
Seriously though, I guess it just doesn't bother anyone
here that M$ had to actually go out of it's way to remove
the 9x compatibility that Giant had built in. Other than
that, they haven't done much with it yet, except to remove
a few (not all) Giant logos from the software.
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Guest
It is being looked at. M$ is looking in great greedy
anticipation of upgrade profits. It's being looked at well.
anticipation of upgrade profits. It's being looked at well.
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Walter Clayton
Oops! There we go with generalizations and assumptions....
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Guest
You're right. It bothers the MVP's. They're just not
allowed to say so. ;-)
allowed to say so. ;-)
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Bill Sanderson
They can.
Some MVP's definitely have that sentiment, and others will be glad when
there are no 9.x machines out there.
(I did see the ;-)
Some MVP's definitely have that sentiment, and others will be glad when
there are no 9.x machines out there.
(I did see the ;-)
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Guest
Are you namin' names, or just gonna leave it there? ;-)
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Bill Sanderson
I'm having some trouble remembering my own name tonight. I will say that I
have one remaining WinMe machine in the house, and will be pleased when I
can upgrade the hardware on that one so that I can run XP on it.
It'd be interesting to take a poll among MVP's--there are a LOT of Windows
support folks who cut their teeth on the older versions.
I haven't heard much nostalgia for 9.x from either the Server-centric or
Developer-centric folks. (and I probably should shut up--this is a public
forum!)
have one remaining WinMe machine in the house, and will be pleased when I
can upgrade the hardware on that one so that I can run XP on it.
It'd be interesting to take a poll among MVP's--there are a LOT of Windows
support folks who cut their teeth on the older versions.
I haven't heard much nostalgia for 9.x from either the Server-centric or
Developer-centric folks. (and I probably should shut up--this is a public
forum!)
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soulguyman
*lol* Delighted you replied, Bill. (for the record, your
name is Bill)
Strange there's no nostalgia for 9x. (oh, who we kidding.
98 se we're talkin' here) It's rock solid stable, not
prone to viruses (probably because no-one writes viruses
for it anymore) and runs most programs smoothly without
hogging all the memory.
Now ME is... well... ME. Even the microsoft folks here
admit that. ;-)
I woulda just thought that since M$ isn't stopping
critical support for those OS's for another year and a
half, that they might have cut us a break with M$ Anti-
Spyware. (seein's how it was _already_ compatible under
Giant and hasn't changed much else since.
Having it available for ALL OS's might put a few malware
industries out of business over the next year and a half,
no?
Just a moot point from a whiner. ;-)
soulguyman
name is Bill)
Strange there's no nostalgia for 9x. (oh, who we kidding.
98 se we're talkin' here) It's rock solid stable, not
prone to viruses (probably because no-one writes viruses
for it anymore) and runs most programs smoothly without
hogging all the memory.
Now ME is... well... ME. Even the microsoft folks here
admit that. ;-)
I woulda just thought that since M$ isn't stopping
critical support for those OS's for another year and a
half, that they might have cut us a break with M$ Anti-
Spyware. (seein's how it was _already_ compatible under
Giant and hasn't changed much else since.
Having it available for ALL OS's might put a few malware
industries out of business over the next year and a half,
no?
Just a moot point from a whiner. ;-)
soulguyman
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Bill Sanderson
Re-read what I said. I really haven't heard server or developer related
folks pining for the good old days--be they 98SE or whatever.
That may be understandable--the developers have to move on with the times,
and developing for the older platform isn't going to pay the bills. The
server folks welcome the active directory integration of the newer OS's.
However, there are a substantial body of "windows" or desktop systems
related folks who definitely share your feelings--I just don't happen to be
among them. I've always had a foot on both camps. I've been networking
PC's starting with Tops a good long while back, and so I've watched the
development at the sever end, starting with Lan Manager 1.1, as I recall,
and on from there. I'm incredibly impressed that Microsoft has managed to
put the kind of technology involved in XP and Windows 2000 on, for example,
my 90+ year-old mother-in-laws machine in such a way that it's just another
windows machine to her and others that help her out.
I don't disagree with all (I'm skeptical about your virus-related
statements!) of what you say about 98se--but I don't feel nostalgic for it.
folks pining for the good old days--be they 98SE or whatever.
That may be understandable--the developers have to move on with the times,
and developing for the older platform isn't going to pay the bills. The
server folks welcome the active directory integration of the newer OS's.
However, there are a substantial body of "windows" or desktop systems
related folks who definitely share your feelings--I just don't happen to be
among them. I've always had a foot on both camps. I've been networking
PC's starting with Tops a good long while back, and so I've watched the
development at the sever end, starting with Lan Manager 1.1, as I recall,
and on from there. I'm incredibly impressed that Microsoft has managed to
put the kind of technology involved in XP and Windows 2000 on, for example,
my 90+ year-old mother-in-laws machine in such a way that it's just another
windows machine to her and others that help her out.
I don't disagree with all (I'm skeptical about your virus-related
statements!) of what you say about 98se--but I don't feel nostalgic for it.
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Frank Saunders, MS-MVP IE/OE
soulguyman said:
I find WinXP SP2 (or any version of WinXP for that matter) much more stable
that Win98 SE was and that was better than Win98 RTM.
--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP, IE/OE
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Guest
I hear ya. Servers and developers.
But I can think of one set of developers who may rekindle
their nostalgia for 9x/ME. Malware developers.
I work in phone tech support for a well known computer
manufacturer. It's my impression that folks who know what
spyware is, and are capable of taking corrective action
are 'the tip of the iceberg.' The other 80 percent think
if they have Norton, they are protected.
M$ has the opportunity here to raise the awareness of what
spyware is and what to do about it. If they throw some $$$
into it, they will succeed. On the other hand M$ also has
the opportunity to shut some malware developers right out
of business - by providing a removal/prevention tool, and
raising the awareness across all OS's. Here, they've
failed imho. There's still enough 9x/ME machines out there
to make it profitable for malware to spread, even if XP
and 2000 became invulnerable tomorrow. And that would give
malware companies at least another year and a half, to
render and exploit vulnerabilities in the newer OSs.
Now - viruses on 98se. Heavy Internet user. Surfing
habits: lets just say occassionally I surf the dark
side. ;-). Cable always on. No firewall. No anti-virus.
Armed to the teeth against spyware. Been that way for more
than a year, and have picked up 2 lame trojans in all that
time. Not bad.
Care to let down the XP firewall and give it a try? ;-)
btw - I've got dual boot 2000/98se - so I am giving the
software a try. With 2000 I run AV and firewall. Only use
2000 occassionally. (like to test this Beta)
Thanks for the dialogue, Bill
soulguyman
-Original Message-----
But I can think of one set of developers who may rekindle
their nostalgia for 9x/ME. Malware developers.
I work in phone tech support for a well known computer
manufacturer. It's my impression that folks who know what
spyware is, and are capable of taking corrective action
are 'the tip of the iceberg.' The other 80 percent think
if they have Norton, they are protected.
M$ has the opportunity here to raise the awareness of what
spyware is and what to do about it. If they throw some $$$
into it, they will succeed. On the other hand M$ also has
the opportunity to shut some malware developers right out
of business - by providing a removal/prevention tool, and
raising the awareness across all OS's. Here, they've
failed imho. There's still enough 9x/ME machines out there
to make it profitable for malware to spread, even if XP
and 2000 became invulnerable tomorrow. And that would give
malware companies at least another year and a half, to
render and exploit vulnerabilities in the newer OSs.
Now - viruses on 98se. Heavy Internet user. Surfing
habits: lets just say occassionally I surf the dark
side. ;-). Cable always on. No firewall. No anti-virus.
Armed to the teeth against spyware. Been that way for more
than a year, and have picked up 2 lame trojans in all that
time. Not bad.
Care to let down the XP firewall and give it a try? ;-)
btw - I've got dual boot 2000/98se - so I am giving the
software a try. With 2000 I run AV and firewall. Only use
2000 occassionally. (like to test this Beta)
Thanks for the dialogue, Bill
soulguyman
-Original Message-----
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soulguyman
I guess it just depends on how we measure stability,
Frank. I'm not trying to say that 98 is a better OS than
XP. I'm just saying that it is stable, runs programs well,
is easy on the resources, and is less prone to viruses.
I'm not even _really_ trying to be nostalgic and
sentimental about 98. Just being practical and saying that
I use it because it works well.
What I _am_ saying is that there are a few million other
98 users who are using it for the same reason. So if
anyone wanted to _really_ try putting a few malware
developers out of business, then raise the awareness AND
the tools across all OS platforms.
soulguyman
Frank. I'm not trying to say that 98 is a better OS than
XP. I'm just saying that it is stable, runs programs well,
is easy on the resources, and is less prone to viruses.
I'm not even _really_ trying to be nostalgic and
sentimental about 98. Just being practical and saying that
I use it because it works well.
What I _am_ saying is that there are a few million other
98 users who are using it for the same reason. So if
anyone wanted to _really_ try putting a few malware
developers out of business, then raise the awareness AND
the tools across all OS platforms.
soulguyman