Win98SE registry help needed: program or seach phrase, please

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Punk Panther

Hello,

I don't know the name of what I need: neither specific program
names nor the "class" or "family" of programs I should consider.
("Utilities" is obviously too broad ...)

We need some type of repair done to our Win 98 SE registry as our
system crashes at odd intervals--usually at the most inopportune moments
and we need only a temporary fix until we can format the HD and
reinstall everything.

What program can do the necessary "emergency surgery" to the
registry, or alternately, what phrase or phrases do I use to search
Pricelessware or other wwweb sites to find the type of program we need?

All ideas are appreciated. :-)

JJ

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We need some type of repair done to our Win 98 SE registry as our
system crashes at odd intervals--usually at the most inopportune
moments and we need only a temporary fix until we can format the HD
and reinstall everything.

What program can do the necessary "emergency surgery" to the
registry, or alternately, what phrase or phrases do I use to search
Pricelessware or other wwweb sites to find the type of program we
need?
I shouldn't think anything as drastic as a reformat and reinstall is
needed; avoid if possible, as lots of things need to be considered.

I suggest for a start

crapcleaner (http://www.ccleaner.com) to get rid of the rubbish -
tick the lot.

Also for rubbish, but to improve your defragger and one touch defragging
of drives

Geodisk http://www.mvps.org/PracticallyNerded/Software.htm

And to clean the registry (preferably before defragging, but you're
going to do this routine at least once a week in future, aren't you
(it's pretty quick once your box has been sorted out) I like regseeker
from

http://www.hoverdesk.net/freeware.htm

There are others, I think this one's very efficient and has, unlike some
of them, never done me any harm.

HTH

mike
 
crapcleaner (http://www.ccleaner.com) to get rid of the rubbish -
tick the lot.

Very bad advice, IMO, when using any registry cleaner. Even the best of
them make mistakes, potentially disastrous ones too.

Decide for yourself which items should be deleted. You should know which
applications have been removed for example, and when in doubt leave them
alone.

At the very least ensure that you've backed up your registry first, and
that you know what to do in a worst case scenario to restore it, if your PC
subsequently fails to boot up.

But sometimes we all live dangerously........ :-)

Cheers,

Roy
 
I shouldn't think anything as drastic as a reformat and reinstall is
needed; avoid if possible, as lots of things need to be considered.

Unfortunately it is needed, and we would avoid it if we could. We
have slowly pared the problem(s) down to the mysterious crashes with no
known cause--we just need it to run reliably long enough to make sure we
have all the drivers, updates, etc. we need before the five day debacle
of rebuilding it.

crapcleaner (http://www.ccleaner.com) to get rid of the rubbish -
tick the lot.

Most of this we do regularly--manually and/or with various softwares.
The registry scanner/cleaner might be the only part of the program that
we would use at the moment.


This appears to be an interesting program, but I'm not sure how it could
help us. We use the Win ME defrag engine (it's fast enough for us) and
we wouldn't really need the scandisk abilities except at the moment when
the whole system seizes up to eight time each day ...


This looks very promising.

Have you had any problems with the download "Note"? [Note : If after a
cleanup, your Add/Remove control panel doesn't work (release 1.05RC3),
just download this reg file and merge it into your registry Click here
to download (FixAddRemove.reg)]

There are others, I think this one's very efficient and has, unlike some
of them, never done me any harm.

HTH

mike

Thank you, Mike. :-)

JJ

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Very bad advice, IMO, when using any registry cleaner. Even the best of
them make mistakes, potentially disastrous ones too.

Decide for yourself which items should be deleted. You should know which
applications have been removed for example, and when in doubt leave them
alone.

At the very least ensure that you've backed up your registry first, and
that you know what to do in a worst case scenario to restore it, if your PC
subsequently fails to boot up.

But sometimes we all live dangerously........ :-)

Cheers,

Roy

Hi Roy,

I agree with everything you said (it's common sense ... to me at
least--even the living dangerously part). :-)

But just in case *I* missed something about ccleaner... I believe
Mike is referring to the temp and MRU files that ccleaner specializes in
finding/deleting--not necessarily anything in the registry (which seems
to be separated from the "other" processes in ccleaner). [I could be
very wrong, I have never downloaded or used the program.]

JJ

P.S.: Do you prefer or use any specific programs to hunt for and/or fix
probable registry issues?

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Punk Panther said:
Hello,

I don't know the name of what I need: neither specific program
names nor the "class" or "family" of programs I should consider.
("Utilities" is obviously too broad ...)

We need some type of repair done to our Win 98 SE registry as our
system crashes at odd intervals--usually at the most inopportune moments
and we need only a temporary fix until we can format the HD and
reinstall everything.

What program can do the necessary "emergency surgery" to the
registry, or alternately, what phrase or phrases do I use to search
Pricelessware or other wwweb sites to find the type of program we need?

All ideas are appreciated. :-)

JJ

I would suggest calling a computer technician to clean up your system,
or you could end up losing your data, especially as you are quite
candid about not really knowing what you should be doing.

The least you should do, is empty your c:\temp and c:\windows\temp
folders, and your browser cache. To do the latter, go to
Start\Settings\Control Panel and open Internet Options. On the General
tab, click Delete files.

Run ScanDisk from Start \ Programs\ Accessories\ System Tools\
ScanDisk. Check the top option (not Thorough) and Fix automatically.
You should have 0 bytes in bad sectors, or it means your hard drive is
flakey and should be replaced (after cloning it to a new drive).

At this point, you should back up any data you would regret losing,
including e-mails, Address Book, Favorites, Outlook *.pst files, etc.

Are your anti-virus program virus definitions up-to-date? You need to
know. If the subscription has expired, I recommend uninstalling it and
getting Avast! Home Edition--it's freeware and very good. Download it
from http://www.asw.cz/eng/down_home.html and install it after you
have uninstalled your old anti-virus program. You might try an on-line
scanner instead. Go to http://housecall.trendmicro.com/ and click on
"Scan now, it's free."

Once you know you have no viruses, download, install, update and run
Ad Aware SE and Spybot Search and Destroy.

Uninstall any programs you no longer want/need, using Start\ Control
Panel.

To clean up the registry, you can download JV16 from...

http://www.321download.com/LastFreeware/dload/jv16-1.3.0.195.zip

Install it, close the Introduction screen, then click Registry Tools\
Tools\ Registry Cleaner. Click Continue then Start. When the scan is
finished, click Select\ Special Select and then "Items that should be
safe to remove." Click Remove, [long wait], then Close. Close the
window then Exit the program. Reboot.

To defragment the hard drive, download DiskeeperLite from
http://www.webattack.com/get/dkeeperlite.shtml and run it. It is a
super defrag program and runs very fast, in Windows Normal mode.

If it all goes to hell at some point, remember, I recommended hiring a
technician to do these things. After things get sorted out, buy
Windows 2000 Pro upgrade and install it. The upgrade will preserve
your programs, files and settings. If it's a newer, fast PC with lots
of hard drive space and RAM, upgrade to XP instead. personally, I
prefer Win2k. I used to crash daily when running Win98SE; I *never*
crash with Win2k!

Good luck!

Larry
 
Punk Panther said:
I don't know the name of what I need: neither specific program
names nor the "class" or "family" of programs I should consider.
("Utilities" is obviously too broad ...)

We need some type of repair done to our Win 98 SE registry as our
system crashes at odd intervals--usually at the most inopportune moments
and we need only a temporary fix until we can format the HD and
reinstall everything.

What program can do the necessary "emergency surgery" to the
registry, or alternately, what phrase or phrases do I use to search
Pricelessware or other wwweb sites to find the type of program we need?

Fastest things to do:

1. Get QuickResource, or even run the resource meter that ships with W98.
A resources plummet (esp gdi) is a standard cause for W9X crashing,
so keep an alarm to alert you whenever you go under ~10% remaining
resources.

2. Get recommendations for system RAM diagnostics utils. Often a hardware
prob, such as RAM gone bad as one, can be the cause of random problems
which have no clear pattern.

3. Clean out tmp file directory, and all browser caches.

4. Take note whether these crashes occur only when you're browsing the
web, or whether they occur as well when you're offline. If the former,
then you have a more specific situation to address.

5. Run anti-malware scans, review your startups, and especially, check for
adware and spyware. Spybot S&D and AdAware are favorites. And you'd be
able to get recommendations for others, if ask here (don't rely on the
web alone for this category -- there are some sleaze programs out there
masquerading as spyware cleaners).

Slowest things to do:

1. Reinstall your video drivers. Analyze your major system libraries, and
find our if you have wrong versions or corrupt files in play. Analyze
your registry, and run cleaners to whack out everything they find,
figuring you have nothing left to lose anyway.

2. Probably better, in interest of time, over dealing with the registry
and DLLs etc, it's to prioritize your schedule for the OS reinstall.
Even could initially try reinstalling on top, perhaps -- but a Windows
group might be better for getting pros & cons on that approach.
 
I would suggest calling a computer technician to clean up your system,
or you could end up losing your data, especially as you are quite
candid about not really knowing what you should be doing.

Of all the possibilities, I've narrowed it down to the registry ...
(At *this* point, now, I'm asking for ideas from others who know more
than I so I can get on with the reinstall after everything is finally
backed up.)

The least you should do, is empty your c:\temp and c:\windows\temp
folders, and your browser cache. To do the latter, go to
Start\Settings\Control Panel and open Internet Options. On the General
tab, click Delete files.

C:\temp is emptied at boot from autoexec.bat and our browser caches
(we use multiple browsers, none of which is IE) are manually deleted
once or twice weekly. It is extremely rare that anything ever gets to
c:\windows\temp--the rare case seems to be the odd M$ update that
insists on using it and somehow gets around the temp settings in the
autoexec.bat.

Run ScanDisk from Start \ Programs\ Accessories\ System Tools\
ScanDisk. Check the top option (not Thorough) and Fix automatically.
You should have 0 bytes in bad sectors, or it means your hard drive is
flakey and should be replaced (after cloning it to a new drive).

ScanDisk is runs on boot up every time Windows crashes completely
(which it has been up to eight times a day in the last few weeks).
Through a variety of diagnostic software and firmware (from MSI, Maxtor,
Western Digital, Belarc, TuffTest, etc.), and physically opening the
case and using multitesters to check the circuitry and connections I
must assume the hardware--including the various memories, motherboard,
video card, soundcards, floppy and HD controllers, cd-rom, BIOS, CMOS
(and battery), hard drive, etc.--is fine. There is nothing to even
suspect otherwise at this point.

At this point, you should back up any data you would regret losing,
including e-mails, Address Book, Favorites, Outlook *.pst files, etc.

We don't use (nor want to use) Outhouse or Outhouse Express. During
those times when the OS seems to be running smoothly, we are busy
backing up Agent data (just check my headers), data and settings from
about 60 other programs, 10 GB of visual files, five years of M$
updates, drivers for everything, FontLab, 15 GB of fonts, all of our
accounting records, all of our clients' records, and a partridge in a
pear tree. (Merry Christmas?)

Are your anti-virus program virus definitions up-to-date? You need to
know. If the subscription has expired, I recommend uninstalling it and
getting Avast! Home Edition--it's freeware and very good. Download it
from http://www.asw.cz/eng/down_home.html and install it after you
have uninstalled your old anti-virus program. You might try an on-line
scanner instead. Go to http://housecall.trendmicro.com/ and click on
"Scan now, it's free."

Done. Everything is scanned from the boot sectors on up. Multiple times
in multiple ways with multiple programs. No viruses, worms, trojans,
spyware. Just an occasional, frustrating crash.

Well, there *is* ctfmon.exe, which WE consider a virus (we didn't want
it, we didn't install it, we can't get rid of it, it runs continuously
using system resources: hence, a virus), but M$ wishes to claim
otherwise even though *they* can't figure out which program is demanding
that it run ... or why. [We have sworn at it, and them, in a variety of
languages but that hasn't helped.]

Once you know you have no viruses, download, install, update and run
Ad Aware SE and Spybot Search and Destroy.

See previous paragraphs.

Uninstall any programs you no longer want/need, using Start\ Control
Panel.

... And use InControl 4 or 5 (we like 5, others like 4) to clean up
the rest of the junk that uninstall processes leave scattered hither and
yon. Even the creator of Total Uninstall admits *that* program doesn't
remove everything, which is unfortunate.

(Larry, do you know of any thorough uninstall software?)

To clean up the registry, you can download JV16 from...

http://www.321download.com/LastFreeware/dload/jv16-1.3.0.195.zip

Install it, close the Introduction screen, then click Registry Tools\
Tools\ Registry Cleaner. Click Continue then Start. When the scan is
finished, click Select\ Special Select and then "Items that should be
safe to remove." Click Remove, [long wait], then Close. Close the
window then Exit the program. Reboot.

That looks like a great program, thank you! :-)

To defragment the hard drive, download DiskeeperLite from
http://www.webattack.com/get/dkeeperlite.shtml and run it. It is a
super defrag program and runs very fast,

This looks okay, too. Based on the descriptions of the program that I
have seen, the Lite version will only defrag "a single disk volume",
however, there isn't sufficient context to know if they are referring to
a single piece of hardware, a single disk partition, or some sub-portion
of a single partition. What has your experience with Diskeeper Lite
shown this phrase to mean?

in Windows Normal mode.

I suspect this is "normal mode" for Win 98 (opposed to DOS mode or Safe
Mode) and not some mode within Diskeeper Lite?

If it all goes to hell at some point, remember, I recommended hiring a
technician to do these things.

No worries there (you've probably figured this by now). Things
started going to hell weeks ago and, believe it or not, they are more
stable now. We just want the *&^%$#@! thing to stop crashing (or at
least crash less) until we're finished backing everything up--then we
format the HD and after five days and a bottle of rye everything will be
bees knees again.

After things get sorted out, buy
Windows 2000 Pro upgrade and install it. The upgrade will preserve
your programs, files and settings. If it's a newer, fast PC with lots
of hard drive space and RAM, upgrade to XP instead. personally, I
prefer Win2k. I used to crash daily when running Win98SE; I *never*
crash with Win2k!

We've considered 2k Pro (none of us here like XP for a variety of
reasons). We've also considered a number of *nix configs on either a or
both of a PC and Mac machine. The jury is still out as, either way, we
would also need to re-invest in software that would run on any new OS
and *that* would be too expensive for our needs at the moment. (And
running 98 as a separate OS under/around/beside 2k would just be
redundant.)
..
Good luck!

Thank you, Larry. We appreciate it. :-)

JJ et al.

P.S.: I'll keep you posted on the effects, if any, of jv-16.

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Well, there *is* ctfmon.exe, which WE consider a virus (we didn't
want it, we didn't install it, we can't get rid of it, it runs
continuously using system resources: hence, a virus), but M$
wishes to claim otherwise even though *they* can't figure out
which program is demanding that it run ... or why. [We have sworn
at it, and them, in a variety of languages but that hasn't
helped.]

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=282599
 
Punk Panther <[email protected]> wrote:
I don't know the name of what I need: neither specific program
names nor the "class" or "family" of programs I should consider.
("Utilities" is obviously too broad ...)
We need some type of repair done to our Win 98 SE registry as our
system crashes at odd intervals--usually at the most inopportune moments
and we need only a temporary fix until we can format the HD and
reinstall everything.
What program can do the necessary "emergency surgery" to the
registry, or alternately, what phrase or phrases do I use to search
Pricelessware or other wwweb sites to find the type of program we need?
All ideas are appreciated. :-)


"RESTORE REGISTRY

You problems maybe caused by a corrupt registry. Windows 98 allows you
to recover the registry. To do start by restarting Windows 98 in MSDOS
mode (Command prompt) and type (No speech marks) "SCANREG (space)
/RESTORE" - select a date prior to your problems and press enter. Your
registry will be restored. Reboot and test."

If that doesn't help:

After making certain there are no viral infections and cleaning your
registry you can install over if you have the MS 98SE install CD.

It's been so long I don't recall exactly how it goes. I think you just
boot up with the CD and elect not to format. This overwrites all of
your Win files and the registry. Someone verify the procedure please!

If you have an image CD, rather than the MS 98SE CD, I don't think
this will work.

There are several System utilities you might find useful in either
event:

http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2004/PL2004CategoryIndex.php

Aida, or Everest, will map all of your hardware devices.

You might check your memory.

You can back up all of your drivers before a clean install.

If your registry is not the problem I'd guess you might have a
hardware problem. 98SE was my favorite version of Windows and it was
rock solid on my system (256 megs of ram). I did manage to farkle the
registry a time or two though.

XP Pro is really solid too. I've never seen 2000, so I can't compare
them.

Good luck!
 
try: scanreg /?

There is either a /fix or /repair switch yiou might try.

I used to

scanreg /repair (to fix what it can)
scanreg /opt (to optimize it)


Hey REM!

Wonderful! Other than the back up and restore switches, I was not aware
of any of the others. Thank you. :-D

Having just tried the "repair" (which also optimizes, of course) the
computer boots significantly faster and with many fewer hesitations.
Perhaps a separate program may not be needed after all if the crashes
stop or decrease sufficiently!

I need to test the system more to see if anything other than boot time
has changed, but this seems to be the most positive developement in this
whole affair in about a week!

I'll keep you posted.

JJ



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Well, there *is* ctfmon.exe, which WE consider a virus (we didn't
want it, we didn't install it, we can't get rid of it, it runs
continuously using system resources: hence, a virus), but M$
wishes to claim otherwise even though *they* can't figure out
which program is demanding that it run ... or why. [We have sworn
at it, and them, in a variety of languages but that hasn't
helped.]

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=282599


Thank you, Mike. We have attempted everything found on this page (and a
few others that M$ dug up from somewhere) but nothing has helped ...
yet. As I said, M$ doesn't even know which program is demanding that it
be loaded or what uses it has now that it's there.

Hopefully, it will disappear after the next reinstall.

JJ :-)



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"RESTORE REGISTRY

You problems maybe caused by a corrupt registry. Windows 98 allows you
to recover the registry. To do start by restarting Windows 98 in MSDOS
mode (Command prompt) and type (No speech marks) "SCANREG (space)
/RESTORE" - select a date prior to your problems and press enter. Your
registry will be restored. Reboot and test."

If that doesn't help:

After making certain there are no viral infections and cleaning your
registry you can install over if you have the MS 98SE install CD.

It's been so long I don't recall exactly how it goes. I think you just
boot up with the CD and elect not to format. This overwrites all of
your Win files and the registry. Someone verify the procedure please!

I, too, believe this is how one does this. When we reinstall we format
the hard drive anyway because it doesn't take very long, we have the
original cd, and many of our programs would need to be reinstalled
anyway so we wouldn't save much time over all.

Oh yeah, all the Win 98 and IE updates get lost as well and they need to
be restored, too.

You can back up all of your drivers before a clean install.

[... and updates, software settings, ongoing email, usenet downloads,
obsolete software ... Back up your mind and temper too--you never know
when you'll lose them during reinstall. ;-) ]

If your registry is not the problem I'd guess you might have a
hardware problem. 98SE was my favorite version of Windows and it was
rock solid on my system (256 megs of ram). I did manage to farkle the
registry a time or two though.

It really seems to be the registry because all the other things
(hardware, software, drivers, etc.) appear to be working and playing
well together. If I ever find the problem there are a half dozen techs
and twice that number of news groups who want updates.

For all its faults we like 98 SE, too, and have rarely had a
problem with it.

Good luck!

Thank you!

JJ

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Punk Panther <[email protected]> wrote:
I, too, believe this is how one does this. When we reinstall we format
the hard drive anyway because it doesn't take very long, we have the
original cd, and many of our programs would need to be reinstalled
anyway so we wouldn't save much time over all.
Oh yeah, all the Win 98 and IE updates get lost as well and they need to
be restored, too.

One last word. If it does come to a fresh install and you can spare 3
partitions there is a nifty way to save your hard work. This can work
with 2 partitions, but I prefer 3.

Use Ranish to create 3 bootable partitions. Install your 98SE on C:.

Use xxcopy with the /clone switch to clone the entire partition to D:
and E:. These must be below the 8 gig (1024 cylinder) limit, so I made
my 3 partitions ~2.6 gigs each.

Then install XOSL boot loader. Set it up, and you can use one
partition, your kids another, and the last is kept for a backup.

If C: or D: get mussed up, boot from the other, format the bad one and
xxcopy /clone E: to the bad one. It works like a charm and you'll not
lose updates and have to reinstall and setup programs you have on the
backup copy.

http://www.xxcopy.com/

http://www.xxcopy.com/xxcopy10.htm

http://www.ranish.com/

I use Ranish v2.43. I've been setting up my cousin's (not Stanley,
another one) computer and might finish it here soon. This is what I'm
doing so I don't have to keep doing it.

It takes minutes to recover and boot from the bad partition. There
might be new updates and such, but the base install is as crystal
clean as the point where you cloned to the backup partition.
 
Punk said:
15 GB of fonts

You sure this is not the cause of your problem?
Well, there *is* ctfmon.exe, which WE consider a virus (we didn't want
it, we didn't install it, we can't get rid of it, it runs continuously
using system resources: hence, a virus), but M$ wishes to claim
otherwise even though *they* can't figure out which program is demanding
that it run ... or why.

http://www.neuber.com/taskmanager/process/ctfmon.exe.html
 
Well, there *is* ctfmon.exe, which WE consider a virus (we didn't want
it, we didn't install it, we can't get rid of it, it runs continuously
using system resources: hence, a virus), but M$ wishes to claim
otherwise even though *they* can't figure out which program is demanding
that it run ... or why. [We have sworn at it, and them, in a variety of
languages but that hasn't helped.]

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q282599

"Can I Remove the Ctfmon.exe File?
Removing the Ctfmon.exe might cause problematic behavior in your Office XP
programs, so removing it is not recommended. To prevent Ctfmon.exe from
running, follow these steps."
(Steps described at site)
 
Hi Roy,

I agree with everything you said (it's common sense ... to me at
least--even the living dangerously part). :-)

But just in case *I* missed something about ccleaner... I believe
Mike is referring to the temp and MRU files that ccleaner specializes
in finding/deleting--not necessarily anything in the registry (which
seems to be separated from the "other" processes in ccleaner). [I
could be very wrong, I have never downloaded or used the program.]

JJ
You could be right; CC does not touch the registry - the reason I said tick
the lot is that it then includes history, visited urls, tiffs,cookies, etc
etc, some of which in normal use you may wish to keep.

But if a puter is bung full of trash, clear the lot out, says I

mike
 
Punk said:
Hello,

I don't know the name of what I need: neither specific program
names nor the "class" or "family" of programs I should consider.
("Utilities" is obviously too broad ...)

We need some type of repair done to our Win 98 SE registry as our
system crashes at odd intervals--usually at the most inopportune moments
and we need only a temporary fix until we can format the HD and
reinstall everything.

What program can do the necessary "emergency surgery" to the
registry, or alternately, what phrase or phrases do I use to search
Pricelessware or other wwweb sites to find the type of program we need?

All ideas are appreciated. :-)

Why don't you:
Re-start in command mode
type 'scanreg /fix' (without the quotes)
If this doesn't help then go from there.
Regards
Lee in Toronto
 
You sure this is not the cause of your problem?


http://www.neuber.com/taskmanager/process/ctfmon.exe.html


Thanks for the Neuber link, it's nice to know we aren't alone in the
bigger picture. :-)

For the last two years ctfmon hasn't actually caused problems on our
system, but it is infuriating that M$ does not know what it actually
does or what is calling it. In our case, it probably runs because we use
four different Englishes, three different Frenches, and occasionally
psychology and anthropology texts that demand accents. How this is
considered "alternative input" is beyond us because every other program
just wants to know which font and which dictionary to use. (Though, this
might come to mind only because of the joke: "It takes three Microsoft
employees to change a light bulb--two to hold the ladder and one to
hammer the bulb into the faucet.")

It might be causing problems ... now. But why it suddenly changed to a
destructive state after all this time is more disconcerting than what
seems to be a relatively straight forward problem otherwise. :-(

JJ

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