Will R420 Support 3D Glasses ?!

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ATI has pointedly refused to support 3D Glasses for over a year now.

Since R420 apparently will have few new features and only offer increased
speed, will this be yet another generation of ATI cards that will not
support 3D Glasses?

rms
 
rms said:
ATI has pointedly refused to support 3D Glasses for over a year now.

Since R420 apparently will have few new features and only offer increased
speed, will this be yet another generation of ATI cards that will not
support 3D Glasses?

rms

Who cares?
 
rms said:
ATI has pointedly refused to support 3D Glasses for over a year now.

Since R420 apparently will have few new features and only offer increased
speed, will this be yet another generation of ATI cards that will not
support 3D Glasses?

rms

Ok, what was the last card that anyone produced that actually shipped with
3D Glasses, more importantly what is the current state of driver development
for 3D Glasses ?
 
Ok, what was the last card that anyone produced that actually shipped with
3D Glasses, more importantly what is the current state of driver development
for 3D Glasses ?
My old Geforce3 (non Ti ASUS V8200 Deluxe) came with them. Wasnt
impressed in the slighest and peeved it too space off the back of the
card which could have been used for something worthwhile instead of this
5 minute throw away gimmick.
 
Since R420 apparently will have few new features and only offer increased
speed, will this be yet another generation of ATI cards that will not
support 3D Glasses?
rms

Most likely, unfortunately. Not b/c R420 will not support it, but b/c ATI
does not give it a shi-oot. >:>
ATI Radeon series indeed support 3D Stereo, only if ATI driver development
team lifted their precious's and started developing drivers that support it.

I'll probably buy nVidia, the next time. My prev. card was ASUS v7700 nVidia
GeForce2 and I still can use my glasses with it! If you have a good monitor
and know how to set everything, it is amazing! If you threw it away in 5
mins, you do not know what you are missing. IMAX 3D would be a clue! (same
technology!)

By the way, eDimensional has a driver that they claim to be working with ATI
Radeon series. They have to work on it a lot, but it works in SOME games
(but not in MANY others!). And you can always use them for looking at stereo
photography, watching 3D DVDs and videos and using 3D Software that support
them.

If you are interested in 3D Stereo and have an ATI, do not miss the forum
thread "Support for 3-D Stereo Vision Shutter Glasses" in Rage3D.

GT
 
Les said:
Who cares?

Apparently, you have a very courteous personality, Les.

"Who cares?"??? All the people who can see that 3D Stereo is the future of
3D Graphics!
Check these out, before starting flaming:

http://www6.tomshardware.com/display/20040304/index.html

http://www.sharpsystems.com/products/pc_notebooks/actius/rd/3d/

http://www.sharp3d.com/

http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2003Apr/gee20030428019757.htm

http://www.actuality-systems.com/

http://www.lenticular.biz/3dlcd.html

http://www.stereo3d.com/hmd.htm

enough?

Aaah, we learn something, every day, don't we Les?...

GT
 
GT-Force said:
Apparently, you have a very courteous personality, Les.

Quite

"Who cares?"??? All the people who can see that 3D Stereo is the future of
3D Graphics!
Check these out, before starting flaming:

http://www6.tomshardware.com/display/20040304/index.html

http://www.sharpsystems.com/products/pc_notebooks/actius/rd/3d/

http://www.sharp3d.com/

http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2003Apr/gee20030428019757.htm

http://www.actuality-systems.com/

What was the point of this link and the one previous? They have **** all to
do with 3d glasses and I *would* be interested in that technology, once it
has matured.
http://www.lenticular.biz/3dlcd.html

http://www.stereo3d.com/hmd.htm

enough?

Aaah, we learn something, every day, don't we Les?...

I have learned bugger all from your links, apart from the fact that "All the
people who can see" are several companies who want to sell you lots of
expensive equipment so your display will be in "3D"

Again, who cares about 3d glasses? Especially at some(most) of the prices
quoted and you have linked to companies/article that have nothing to do with
3d glasses. My point "Who Cares" was in regards to 3d Glasses as that is
what the op was about, not 3d displays and monitor conversions which would
be more interesting (I wear glasses as it is, I don't want to wear another
pair on top of them.

Have you learned something today?
 
GT-Force said:
Apparently, you have a very courteous personality, Les.

"Who cares?"??? All the people who can see that 3D Stereo is the future of
3D Graphics!
Check these out, before starting flaming:

http://www6.tomshardware.com/display/20040304/index.html

http://www.sharpsystems.com/products/pc_notebooks/actius/rd/3d/

http://www.sharp3d.com/

http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2003Apr/gee20030428019757.htm

http://www.actuality-systems.com/

http://www.lenticular.biz/3dlcd.html

http://www.stereo3d.com/hmd.htm

enough?

Aaah, we learn something, every day, don't we Les?...

Take all the companies that make 3D glasses for use with PCs (the ones that
_make_ them, not the ones that resell the ones that others make--that would
be counting double). Find out how much money they make selling those 3D
glasses. Compare that to ATI's total sales. I suspect that when you've
done that you'll find out why ATI doesn't feel that there is enough market
there to be worth the effort of supporting it.

A bunch of advocates going rah-rah doesn't impress anybody. If those
advocates can produce some numbers that show that there's a significant
market that will impress people. But the advocates don't do that, either
because they don't understand how business works or because there aren't
any such numbers to produce.
 
Les said:
What was the point of this link and the one previous? They have **** all to
do with 3d glasses and I *would* be interested in that technology, once it
has matured.


I have learned bugger all from your links, apart from the fact that "All the
people who can see" are several companies who want to sell you lots of
expensive equipment so your display will be in "3D"

Again, who cares about 3d glasses? Especially at some(most) of the prices
quoted and you have linked to companies/article that have nothing to do with
3d glasses. My point "Who Cares" was in regards to 3d Glasses as that is
what the op was about, not 3d displays and monitor conversions which would
be more interesting (I wear glasses as it is, I don't want to wear another
pair on top of them.

Have you learned something today?

Here's a link that's more to the point:
www.edimensional.com

Not a gigantic hit, but they seem *really* popular with hard-core
simmers, esp in combination w/the IR head tracker. They're also not
all that expensive.
I'm not sure how well they work w/ATI these days - they do have an ATI
"official developer" logo on the front page (but I think I've seen
more posts of issues w/ATI).
The OP's post was quite valid - as the gfz card speed ramps up, the
ability to get good FPS using a system like the edimensional glasses
also goes up (since the card has to render 2 slightly different
views).
GFX cards ain't religion - if the next nVidia and ATI offerings are
pretty close on speed and image qual, support for 3rd party options
could sway alot of people one way or the other.

Kendt
 
Again, who cares about 3d glasses? Especially at some(most) of the prices
quoted and you have linked to companies/article that have nothing to do with
3d glasses. My point "Who Cares" was in regards to 3d Glasses as that is
what the op was about, not 3d displays and monitor conversions which would
be more interesting (I wear glasses as it is, I don't want to wear another
pair on top of them.

I also wear glasses. Luckily, the people who design and develop this
technology are smarter than you are, so they deliberately designed the
glasses, so that, they can be comfortably worn on top of prescription
glasses.
Have you learned something today?

I have learned that I need to write crystal-clear for you to be able to
understand. Here you go:

My point was that, the 3D Stereo technology is to come, big time, and the
companies that LEARN to support it will have definite advantage over the
others. Developing technology, including drivers is no easy job. You can
easily see that with ATI's Catalyst drivers. In every single release they
have ton of fixes, trying to perfect it.
nVidia started developing stereo drivers years ago. This suggests that they
have a quite significant advantage over ATI, since they know all about it.
They know how to do it, they know the problems and probably also the
solutions to them. Whereas ATI is still sitting on its butt, doing nothing.
Do they expect to write stereo 3D drivers overnight, or what? Hmmm, maybe
they are planning to hire the driver development team of nVidia, when "there
is enough market demand".

You might have still missed one point, so I'll also make that clear:
The technology to produce 3D Stereo is to produce two renderings one from
each eye's perspective, AND THIS IS IT! IT APPLIES TO ALL STEREO 3D SYSTEMS,
let them be a stereo-LCD, shutter glasses, VR Headset, or whatever (except
for Actuality's system, which is in its very infancy and hard to
commericalize anytime soon). If one company CAN develop drivers for one,
this means they only need to OPTIMIZE (i.e., tweak) it, instead of writing
it from scratch, for another. In this case, nVidia is ahead of the game, day
and night.

Early adapters of technology, like myself, usually go through a lot of
hassle (including dealing with people like yourself, who resist cahnge and
new technology). But again, it is the early adapters, who make it all
possible, after all. Can you imagine that a new technology released, and NO
ONE is interested in it? Do you think they'll put further effort in it? No!

Today, we have the shutter glasses, tomorrow, we'll have stereo-LCDs and
then will come the VR-headsets and more. And when its their time, the
company who has the means to support them faster will be the one to survive.

Conclusion: This is why ATI should support shutter glasses TODAY.

Got it?

GT
 
GFX cards ain't religion - if the next nVidia and ATI offerings are
pretty close on speed and image qual, support for 3rd party options
could sway alot of people one way or the other.
Kendt

Bullseye!
I sure would sway me away from ATI to nVidia.
GT
 
GT-Force said:
I also wear glasses. Luckily, the people who design and develop this
technology are smarter than you are, so they deliberately designed the
glasses, so that, they can be comfortably worn on top of prescription
glasses.


I have learned that I need to write crystal-clear for you to be able to
understand. Here you go:

My point was that, the 3D Stereo technology is to come, big time,

On what information do you base this claim? Do you see a pattern of sales
growth, do you have market surveys, do you have focus groups, do you have
_anything_ other than the claims of manufacturers trying to get venture
capital and a few advocates who will still be telling you that it's the
wave of the future even if every company that was ever in the business has
gone bankrupt.

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