Why "upgrade?"

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Michael Gula

I'm still using Word97. It does columns, tables, textboxes and
watermarks. It can create an index, tables of contents, footnotes,
cross-references, and forms. It has an equation editor and that goofy
textart module that I never use.

What indispensible feature has Microsoft added to Word that makes Word97
obsolete?

It is, after all, only a word processor, not a desktop publishing program.

So, if you were a salesperson working for Microsoft on commission, how
would you persuade me to "upgrade?"

Or, if you wanted to send me a Word file that Word97 can't open, what
would you put in it?
 
Michael Gula said:
I'm still using Word97. It does columns, tables, textboxes and
watermarks. It can create an index, tables of contents, footnotes,
cross-references, and forms. It has an equation editor and that goofy
textart module that I never use.

What indispensible feature has Microsoft added to Word that makes Word97
obsolete?

It is, after all, only a word processor, not a desktop publishing program.

So, if you were a salesperson working for Microsoft on commission, how
would you persuade me to "upgrade?"

Or, if you wanted to send me a Word file that Word97 can't open, what
would you put in it?

You seem to be happy with Word 97. Don't create a "need" when there is none.
 
Chuck Davis said:
You seem to be happy with Word 97. Don't create a "need" when there is
none.

I agree. I still use Office 97 (although my computer came with Microsoft
Works, including Word 2000). Excel and PowerPoint 97 more than meets my
needs. I have no intention of shelling out hundreds of dollars just to have
the latest Office.

silas
 
Hi, Michael. I run 4 versions of Office, but that's likely because I use
them all. If I only used Word for my personal use, 97 would be quite enough.
None of the new features are indispensable, and they've actually ruined some
of the features we loved...
The only real issues I can see you having are:
--In 2000 and up, you can embed a table inside another table, but 97 can't
view it.
--In 2000 and up, there are more colors available that could look washed out
in 97 because they'll default to one of its colors.
So, if I had to pick just one that I could use forever, it'd be 2000.

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The only reason I would use to convince myself to do that would be if I
thought I wanted the next version of Office. I would be very surprised if
Office 97 will still be a qualifying product for an Office 2007 upgrade
version.

But that's just how I would convince myself.
 
I'm still using Word97. It does columns, tables, textboxes and
watermarks. It can create an index, tables of contents, footnotes,
cross-references, and forms. It has an equation editor and that goofy
textart module that I never use.

What indispensible feature has Microsoft added to Word that makes
Word97 obsolete?

It is, after all, only a word processor, not a desktop publishing
program.

So, if you were a salesperson working for Microsoft on commission, how
would you persuade me to "upgrade?"

Or, if you wanted to send me a Word file that Word97 can't open, what
would you put in it?

-----------

I recently upgraded to Office 2003 for reasons unrelated to Word. The
only diffference I've noticed with my limited Word usage is that a minor
bug was fixed.

If I have a document with only black text and print it with Word97, it
isn't smart enough to use the black cartridge in my inkjet. Instead it
synthesizes a muddy dark green from the color cartridge as black. In
Word'03 it uses the black cartridge directly.

Similar small, but more aggravating bugs were fixed in Excel concerning
how it interacts with the display adapter on my second monitor.

If '97 works for you, I'd just keep plugging away with it.

Bill
 
I'm still using Word97. It does columns, tables, textboxes and
watermarks. It can create an index, tables of contents, footnotes,
cross-references, and forms. It has an equation editor and that goofy
textart module that I never use.

What indispensible feature has Microsoft added to Word that makes Word97
obsolete?

It is, after all, only a word processor, not a desktop publishing program.

So, if you were a salesperson working for Microsoft on commission, how
would you persuade me to "upgrade?"

I have Word 97, and my wife has Word 2003.

From what I've seen of Word 2003, I prefer Word 97.

I opened a redlined document in my wife's 2003. Note that Microsoft, for no
other reason than to confuse users, apprently, chanes the rems for functions
in successive versions. "Redlining" became "track changed" in some versions
and "revision marking" in others. They do that to make sure that when you
upgrade and you can't find out how to do it in the new version you WON'T find
it in the help file. Inter "revision marking" in a version that calls it
"track changes", and you will find nothing.

Anyway, When I opened this redlined document in my wife's 2003, i could not
make head or tail of it, even when it was printed. It was full of all sorts of
incomprehensible junk, and no indication of how to get it back looking as it
would if a human being had edited on hard copy -- stuff that had been crossed
out in strike-through mode, and stuff that had been added underlined.

So I stick to 97 because I've got a fat book on it and know how it works, and
nowadays a similar fat book for another version would cost six to ten times as
much and i can't afford one.

But I had a funny experience the other day.

I foudn Microsoft Antispyware had stopped working, and apparently I needed to
upgrade. So I upgraded.

Then I opened a Word document, and opened another document in another window
that I was referring to, and when I switched back to Word, it froze.

I had to press Ctrl-Alt-Delete, and then there was the thing about "Report
this problem to Microsoft", so I pressed the OK to report it, and then got
back a message saying Microsoft no longer supports this version. At that point
I thought that perhaps Microsoft Antispyware was itself a spyware product and
had gone arounhd corrupting old versions of Word in order to get people to buy
new ones, because whenever I tried to open that document, it froze.

I tried saving it to RTF, and reimporting it, but Word would not recognise the
RTF file.

Eventually I opened the document with Open Office 2.0, saved it as RTF, and
Word recognised that and imported it, and I carried on working.

On second thoughts I don't think MS Antispyware destroyed the program, but the
document file got corrupted, but for a moment there I thought that this was a
really nasty marketing tactic, prompted by the notice that "Microsoft no
longer supports this product".

But I prefer not to upgrade becasuse I want to spend my time writing, not
learning a new program, and wasting hours or even days trying to find out how
to undo unwanted changes that the new version has made to my documents.

If it's bad with word processors, with databases it's even worse. Long before
you've learnt how to use a program there will be an "upgrade" which will make
everything you've learnt useless. Computers are supposed to free you to get on
with your work; but the police of planned obscolescence mean you never get
anything done because you have to keep going back to square 1 and learn how to
use the latest version.
 
Sat, 18 Feb 2006 19:13:10 -0500 from Michael Gula
I'm still using Word97. It does columns, tables, textboxes and
watermarks. It can create an index, tables of contents, footnotes,
cross-references, and forms. It has an equation editor and that goofy
textart module that I never use.

What indispensible feature has Microsoft added to Word that makes Word97
obsolete?

I urge you not to upgrade. I was pretty happy with Word 97; I am
quite unhappy with Word 2003. It's MUCH more aggressive about working
the way Microsoft wants me to rather than the way I want to; it has
no new features that interest me; and its help system absolutely
sucks.
 
Michael

The first website outlines the differences between all of the MS Office
suites..

http://www.course.com/office/office2003/Office 2003 Comparison.pdf

The second website deals with issues encountered in the migration from
Office 97 to 2003..

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...94-1375-4a77-858e-0ce880a4535b&DisplayLang=en

Office 97 is obsolete in that no more development is taking place with the
version.. Office 97 is OK, and nobody is disputing the fact.. it can produce
a letter, calculate a spreadsheet, do whatever, and if it fulfills the
purposes of the user, then that's a good thing.. Office 2003 will do all
that Office 97 can and some, but if the user does not require the 'and
some', then stick with '97..

So, having looked at the PDF document, are there features of 2003 that you
consider critical to your needs right now?.. if yes, upgrade.. if not, stay
with what you have..

The issue that I have with what has been said in these threads is simple..
just because an individual does not have use for the added features of 2003
doesn't mean that the upgrade is universally useless, a waste of funds, or a
con by Microsoft.. this same question, and the inferences, spring up every
time that MS release a new version.. planned obsolescence is no more a part
of Microsoft culture than any other producer of goods..

Just in passing, how is your Model T these days?.. still getting you and
your family to the mall?
 
To restore the Track Changes behavior you expect, disable balloons on the
Track Changes tab of Tools | Options and set the formatting for inserted and
deleted items as you prefer (you will also see this formatting in Normal
view even if balloons are enabled).

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

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Steve Hayes said:
I have Word 97, and my wife has Word 2003.

From what I've seen of Word 2003, I prefer Word 97.

I opened a redlined document in my wife's 2003. Note that Microsoft, for no
other reason than to confuse users, apprently, chanes the rems for functions
in successive versions. "Redlining" became "track changed" in some versions
and "revision marking" in others. They do that to make sure that when you
upgrade and you can't find out how to do it in the new version you WON'T find
it in the help file. Inter "revision marking" in a version that calls it
"track changes", and you will find nothing.

Anyway, When I opened this redlined document in my wife's 2003, i could not
make head or tail of it, even when it was printed. It was full of all sorts of
incomprehensible junk, and no indication of how to get it back looking as it
would if a human being had edited on hard copy -- stuff that had been crossed
out in strike-through mode, and stuff that had been added underlined.

So I stick to 97 because I've got a fat book on it and know how it works, and
nowadays a similar fat book for another version would cost six to ten times as
much and i can't afford one.

But I had a funny experience the other day.

I foudn Microsoft Antispyware had stopped working, and apparently I needed to
upgrade. So I upgraded.

Then I opened a Word document, and opened another document in another window
that I was referring to, and when I switched back to Word, it froze.

I had to press Ctrl-Alt-Delete, and then there was the thing about "Report
this problem to Microsoft", so I pressed the OK to report it, and then got
back a message saying Microsoft no longer supports this version. At that point
I thought that perhaps Microsoft Antispyware was itself a spyware product and
had gone arounhd corrupting old versions of Word in order to get people to buy
new ones, because whenever I tried to open that document, it froze.

I tried saving it to RTF, and reimporting it, but Word would not recognise the
RTF file.

Eventually I opened the document with Open Office 2.0, saved it as RTF, and
Word recognised that and imported it, and I carried on working.

On second thoughts I don't think MS Antispyware destroyed the program, but the
document file got corrupted, but for a moment there I thought that this was a
really nasty marketing tactic, prompted by the notice that "Microsoft no
longer supports this product".

But I prefer not to upgrade becasuse I want to spend my time writing, not
learning a new program, and wasting hours or even days trying to find out how
to undo unwanted changes that the new version has made to my documents.

If it's bad with word processors, with databases it's even worse. Long before
you've learnt how to use a program there will be an "upgrade" which will make
everything you've learnt useless. Computers are supposed to free you to get on
with your work; but the police of planned obscolescence mean you never get
anything done because you have to keep going back to square 1 and learn how to
use the latest version.
uk
 
Great reply, Mike!
drybones


Mike Hall (MS-MVP) said:
Michael

The first website outlines the differences between all of the MS Office
suites..
http://www.course.com/office/office2003/Office 2003 Comparison.pdf

The second website deals with issues encountered in the migration from
Office 97 to 2003..

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...94-1375-4a77-858e-0ce880a4535b&DisplayLang=en

Office 97 is obsolete in that no more development is taking place with the
version.. Office 97 is OK, and nobody is disputing the fact.. it can
produce a letter, calculate a spreadsheet, do whatever, and if it fulfills
the purposes of the user, then that's a good thing.. Office 2003 will do
all that Office 97 can and some, but if the user does not require the 'and
some', then stick with '97..

So, having looked at the PDF document, are there features of 2003 that you
consider critical to your needs right now?.. if yes, upgrade.. if not,
stay with what you have..

The issue that I have with what has been said in these threads is simple..
just because an individual does not have use for the added features of
2003 doesn't mean that the upgrade is universally useless, a waste of
funds, or a con by Microsoft.. this same question, and the inferences,
spring up every time that MS release a new version.. planned obsolescence
is no more a part of Microsoft culture than any other producer of goods..

Just in passing, how is your Model T these days?.. still getting you and
your family to the mall?
 
You should be glad I didn't add my usual response to the infamous "we've
always done it that way" comment. The Model T one was nice but mine really
nails the idea of change.
 
I'm VERY HAPPY with my 1988 Chevy PU..


JoAnn Paules said:
You should be glad I didn't add my usual response to the infamous "we've
always done it that way" comment. The Model T one was nice but mine really
nails the idea of change.

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]



Michael Gula said:
Thanks to all for your helpful comments.

And my Model T still runs fine.
 
Normally I ask people who don't want to change things if they still crawl on
all fours and mess themselves. (Depending on who I'm talking to I may use
different terminology but you get the idea.) Eventually you found better
ways to get around and developed better hygiene habits, we hope.

(Can't comment on the vehicle - it's not my cuppa tea. I know very little
about cars or trucks.)

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]



++++Jack++++ said:
I'm VERY HAPPY with my 1988 Chevy PU..


JoAnn Paules said:
You should be glad I didn't add my usual response to the infamous "we've
always done it that way" comment. The Model T one was nice but mine
really
nails the idea of change.

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]



Michael Gula said:
Thanks to all for your helpful comments.

And my Model T still runs fine.
 
Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:51:54 -0500 from JoAnn Paules [MVP]
Normally I ask people who don't want to change things if they still crawl on
all fours and mess themselves.

Normally I quote "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".

Meaning no disrespect, but change for the sake of change seems like a
bad idea to me. Change to get a particular desired feature or bug-
fix, that seems like a different matter.
 
Never said you need to change for change sake. But you should also be
open-minded enough to see if the change has some benefits. ;-)

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]
 
.... and a quick search under 'difference between .....' in one's preferred
search engine is a great way to find out if the upgrade is worth the
effort..

Yo JoAnn... did ya hear that MS finally busted Office Toolbar's ass?..
yaaaaaaaaaa.. :-)

--
Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/User


JoAnn Paules said:
Never said you need to change for change sake. But you should also be
open-minded enough to see if the change has some benefits. ;-)

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]
 
No I didn't. May have to check that out. :-)

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]



Mike Hall (MS-MVP) said:
... and a quick search under 'difference between .....' in one's preferred
search engine is a great way to find out if the upgrade is worth the
effort..

Yo JoAnn... did ya hear that MS finally busted Office Toolbar's ass?..
yaaaaaaaaaa.. :-)

--
Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/User


JoAnn Paules said:
Never said you need to change for change sake. But you should also be
open-minded enough to see if the change has some benefits. ;-)

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]



Stan Brown said:
Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:51:54 -0500 from JoAnn Paules [MVP]
<[email protected]>:
Normally I ask people who don't want to change things if they still
crawl on
all fours and mess themselves.

Normally I quote "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".

Meaning no disrespect, but change for the sake of change seems like a
bad idea to me. Change to get a particular desired feature or bug-
fix, that seems like a different matter.
 
If you don't find it, it's gone.. :-)

--
Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/User


JoAnn Paules said:
No I didn't. May have to check that out. :-)

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]



Mike Hall (MS-MVP) said:
... and a quick search under 'difference between .....' in one's
preferred search engine is a great way to find out if the upgrade is
worth the effort..

Yo JoAnn... did ya hear that MS finally busted Office Toolbar's ass?..
yaaaaaaaaaa.. :-)

--
Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/User


JoAnn Paules said:
Never said you need to change for change sake. But you should also be
open-minded enough to see if the change has some benefits. ;-)

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]



Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:51:54 -0500 from JoAnn Paules [MVP]
<[email protected]>:
Normally I ask people who don't want to change things if they still
crawl on
all fours and mess themselves.

Normally I quote "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".

Meaning no disrespect, but change for the sake of change seems like a
bad idea to me. Change to get a particular desired feature or bug-
fix, that seems like a different matter.
 
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