why no Windows 7 account or folder here yet?

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why no Windows 7 account or folder or category here yet?
This is MS and they do not have Anything here about Win7?
 
why no Windows 7 account or folder or category here yet?
This is MS and they do not have Anything here about Win7?
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Microsoft has no Windows 7 newsgroups. And unfortunately it's highly
unlikely that there will be. Apparently Microsoft has decided that
web-based forums are better than newsgroups and they are putting their
efforts there. I'm personally sorry that's the case, but it's their
decision, not mine.

However there is at least one non-Microsoft Windows 7 newsgroup:
alt-windows7.general. Not all servers carry it (at least not yet), but
here's one free news server that does: aioe.org
 
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Microsoft has no Windows 7 newsgroups. And unfortunately it's highly
unlikely that there will be. Apparently Microsoft has decided that
web-based forums are better than newsgroups and they are putting their
efforts there. I'm personally sorry that's the case, but it's their
decision, not mine.

However there is at least one non-Microsoft Windows 7 newsgroup:
alt-windows7.general. Not all servers carry it (at least not yet), but
here's one free news server that does: aioe.org
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Hi Ken. I am sorry to hear your assessment, but I agree with it too. I
like NGs much better than web-based-anythings. I can keep track of many
NGs using Thunderbird that I just can't with a browser. Darn shame.

Questor
 
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Hi Ken. I am sorry to hear your assessment, but I agree with it too. I
like NGs much better than web-based-anythings. I can keep track of many
NGs using Thunderbird that I just can't with a browser. Darn shame.
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To me the main difference is that a newsreader can download all the
messages at once, not one at a time, the way a browser does. The
result is that I can go through the downloaded messages in a newsgroup
*much* faster than in a browser, and quickly pick out those I can or
want to reply to.

The difference in how long it takes me is at least two to one.
 
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To me the main difference is that a newsreader can download all the
messages at once, not one at a time, the way a browser does. The
result is that I can go through the downloaded messages in a newsgroup
*much* faster than in a browser, and quickly pick out those I can or
want to reply to.

The difference in how long it takes me is at least two to one.
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Yep. And Thunderbird also has the "Right-click watch/ignore" extension.
If I don't' want to deal with it I just 'ignore' it. "Stacked view"
is good too for arranging all the posts.

Later,

Q
 
Questor said:
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Yep. And Thunderbird also has the "Right-click watch/ignore" extension.
If I don't' want to deal with it I just 'ignore' it. "Stacked view" is
good too for arranging all the posts.

Later,

Q
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Is it reasonable to assume that the blame for this decision from
Microsoft can be laid at the feet of that long list of trolls that
infect the public NG's?

Dave T.
 
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Is it reasonable to assume that the blame for this decision from
Microsoft can be laid at the feet of that long list of trolls that
infect the public NG's?

Dave T.
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Doubtful; but one never knows. I suspect that a web-based interface is
much easier to implement and maintain than a NG.

Q
 
Is it reasonable to assume that the blame for this decision from
Microsoft can be laid at the feet of that long list of trolls that
infect the public NG's?
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I'd say the reasoning was its easier to place advertisements on web
based forums.
 
Dave said:
Is it reasonable to assume that the blame for this decision from
Microsoft can be laid at the feet of that long list of trolls that
infect the public NG's?

Dave T.
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No, it isn't at all. MS has been planning to go web for years and even
have a "bridge" so you can access them via Windows Live Mail. The "long
list of trolls" has been around MS newsgroups since Win 98.

Alias
 
Is it reasonable to assume that the blame for this decision from
Microsoft can be laid at the feet of that long list of trolls that
infect the public NG's?
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No, I don't think so. I don't know why Microsoft made this decision or
any other decision, and I'm not willing to make any assumptions about
why they do anything they do. Your view that the long list of trolls
are to blame is a reasonable guess, but a guess is a long way from an
assumption.

And personally, my view is that there were other better ways to deal
with trolls, and what they did wasn't necessary. So that's not even my
guess.
 
Great advice and hyperlinks.
I still prefer Newsgroups, but will use the hyperlinks and forums.
I think they are much harder to navigate.

Ritter197
 
There is a Windows 7 newsgroup available. It is alt.windows7.general. I get
it from free.teranews.com. Many ISPs have chosen to discontinue alt groups
and some have chosen to not provide any at all (e.g. Verizon).

Isn't there some kind of NNTP add-in available or being developed (I think
by Microsoft) that will convert the forum format to that of the newsgroups?

Gordo
 
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And personally, my view is that there were other better ways to deal
with trolls, and what they did wasn't necessary. So that's not even my
guess.
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Trolls aren't restricted to NNTP either, they can follow you to the web.
If you're willing to start banning trolls, this is no more or less
difficult on the web vs NNTP, either way you just need to ensure all
users login.

In the case of microsoft.public.* groups which are propagated to the
rest of the world, this would either need to stop (easy) or the groups
would need to become robomoderated (a change which isn't impossible to
implement, but isn't trivial)
 
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