Why is Microsoft dotnet 1.1 essential for installing catalyst 5.8?

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I read on this Newsgroup that the TV Tuner works satisfactorily with
Catlyst 5.8 for the Radeon AIW 8500 DV videocard. The release notes for
Catalyst 5.8 say that Microsoft Dotnet 1.1 Must be installed for using
Catalyst 5.8. I fail to understand what features of dotnet does a
videocard use for video display or TV tuning?
Besides, dotnet has to be used with XP with SP1 or SP2 installed and
these two have problems with the Network Connection Manager.
As a result, the user may get the TV functioning and lose some other
features which are working on his computer.
Can dotnet be installed on XP without SP1 or SP2? Does it work
satisfactorily?

P. Jayant
 
There are two versions of recent Catalyst drivers, the Control Panel version
and the Control Center version. The latter is more heavily advertised on
ati.com, but uses a fruity interface that requires .NET. The Control Panel
version does not require it; use that instead.
 
pjayant said:
I read on this Newsgroup that the TV Tuner works satisfactorily with
Catlyst 5.8 for the Radeon AIW 8500 DV videocard. The release notes for
Catalyst 5.8 say that Microsoft Dotnet 1.1 Must be installed for using
Catalyst 5.8. I fail to understand what features of dotnet does a
videocard use for video display or TV tuning?
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..NET provides a builit-in set of system function calls related to
video capture, TV tuning etc. Third-party developers use it
because it saves them lots of coding, but like all things MS
it's clunky, slow and contains far more bugs than it should.

There are also DirectX tie-ins to these routines. Search your
system drive and you'll probably find files such as kstvtune.ax,
kswdmcap.ax, ksolay.ax etc.
Besides, dotnet has to be used with XP with SP1 or SP2 installed and
these two have problems with the Network Connection Manager.
As a result, the user may get the TV functioning and lose some other
features which are working on his computer.
Can dotnet be installed on XP without SP1 or SP2? Does it work
satisfactorily?
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Satisfactorily is a relative term. It doesn't cause problems for
most people, but it does for some.
 
pjayant said:
I read on this Newsgroup that the TV Tuner works
satisfactorily with Catlyst 5.8 for the Radeon AIW 8500
DV videocard. The release notes for Catalyst 5.8 say that
Microsoft Dotnet 1.1 Must be installed for using Catalyst
5.8. I fail to understand what features of dotnet does a
videocard use for video display or TV tuning?
Besides, dotnet has to be used with XP with SP1 or SP2
installed and these two have problems with the Network
Connection Manager.
As a result, the user may get the TV functioning and lose
some other features which are working on his computer.
Can dotnet be installed on XP without SP1 or SP2? Does it
work satisfactorily?

P. Jayant
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same deal as installing java to run java stuff
..net is m$'s version of java in effect

if you can use the normal control panel and not the CCC drivers you would be
better off imo
 
||> I read on this Newsgroup that the TV Tuner works
|> satisfactorily with Catlyst 5.8 for the Radeon AIW 8500
|> DV videocard. The release notes for Catalyst 5.8 say that
|> Microsoft Dotnet 1.1 Must be installed for using Catalyst
|> 5.8. I fail to understand what features of dotnet does a
|> videocard use for video display or TV tuning?
|> Besides, dotnet has to be used with XP with SP1 or SP2
|> installed and these two have problems with the Network
|> Connection Manager.
|> As a result, the user may get the TV functioning and lose
|> some other features which are working on his computer.
|> Can dotnet be installed on XP without SP1 or SP2? Does it
|> work satisfactorily?
|>
|> P. Jayant
|
|same deal as installing java to run java stuff
|.net is m$'s version of java in effect
|
|if you can use the normal control panel and not the CCC drivers you would be
|better off imo
|
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Until a few more months .. when the old control panel will be discontinued and
all that's left is the CCC version. >:(

That's when I start to not upgrade my drivers every month. I don't like .NET
period. Look at the resourses it takes up just for a simple program to control
your settings. Sad.

Pluvious
 
Until a few more months .. when the old control panel will be discontinued and
all that's left is the CCC version. >:(

That's when I start to not upgrade my drivers every month. I don't like .NET
period. Look at the resourses it takes up just for a simple program to control
your settings. Sad.

Pluvious
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I Agree :(

And then when I upgrade my video card again it will be a Nvidia one so
I don't have to use the .Net crap :(
 
We'll see how it pans out. If the driver package remains downloadable in
chunks for dial-up users, you can always just install the display driver and
use something like ATi Tray Tools for changing settings.
 
Or you all can simply stick with an older set of drivers.

I have dot net installed for an application I use and personally i have had
no problems with it.

I dont see what all the fuss is about. But then again I do not use CCC.

Dot net is just like java or DirX in that sooner or later you will need to
install it.

I have dot net inst
 
:>Or you all can simply stick with an older set of drivers.
:>
:>I have dot net installed for an application I use and personally i have had
:>no problems with it.
:>
:>I dont see what all the fuss is about. But then again I do not use CCC.
:>
:>Dot net is just like java or DirX in that sooner or later you will need to
:>install it.

Yep, it's just another set of runtime libraries. I've already seen it
show up in commercial titles (both games and apps) where if the
program installer detects you don't have it you will be notified it is
necessary and will do the install of it as part of the package.

me/2

:>
:>I have dot net inst
:>:>> We'll see how it pans out. If the driver package remains downloadable in
:>> chunks for dial-up users, you can always just install the display driver
:>> and use something like ATi Tray Tools for changing settings.
:>>
:>> --
:>> "War is the continuation of politics by other means.
:>> It can therefore be said that politics is war without
:>> bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed."
:>>
:>>
:>> :>>> Until a few more months .. when the old control panel will be
:>>> discontinued and
:>>> all that's left is the CCC version. >:(
:>>>
:>>> That's when I start to not upgrade my drivers every month. I don't like
:>>> .NET
:>>> period. Look at the resourses it takes up just for a simple program to
:>>> control
:>>> your settings. Sad.
:>>>
:>>> Pluvious
:>>>
:>>>
:>>
:>>
:>
 
me/2 said:
:>Or you all can simply stick with an older set of drivers.
:>
:>I have dot net installed for an application I use and personally i have
had
:>no problems with it.
:>
:>I dont see what all the fuss is about. But then again I do not use CCC.
:>
:>Dot net is just like java or DirX in that sooner or later you will need
to
:>install it.

Yep, it's just another set of runtime libraries. I've already seen it
show up in commercial titles (both games and apps) where if the
program installer detects you don't have it you will be notified it is
necessary and will do the install of it as part of the package.

me/2

:>
:>I have dot net inst
:>:>> We'll see how it pans out. If the driver package remains downloadable
in
:>> chunks for dial-up users, you can always just install the display
driver
:>> and use something like ATi Tray Tools for changing settings.
:>>
:>> --
:>> "War is the continuation of politics by other means.
:>> It can therefore be said that politics is war without
:>> bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed."
:>>
:>>
:>> :>>> Until a few more months .. when the old control panel will be
:>>> discontinued and
:>>> all that's left is the CCC version. >:(
:>>>
:>>> That's when I start to not upgrade my drivers every month. I don't
like
:>>> .NET
:>>> period. Look at the resourses it takes up just for a simple program
to
:>>> control
:>>> your settings. Sad.
:>>>
:>>> Pluvious
:>>>
:>>>
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outlook requires net too...

xman
 
I don't know about that. I've been using Outlook at home for years and
wouldn't think of using anything else.

Richard
 
Pluvious said:
Until a few more months .. when the old control panel will be discontinued
and
all that's left is the CCC version. >:(

That's when I start to not upgrade my drivers every month. I don't like
.NET
period. Look at the resourses it takes up just for a simple program to
control
your settings. Sad.

Pluvious
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Yeah. I don't get why a video card control panel can't be natively
programmed. I don't see any advantages of CCC over the CP.

Unfortunately I think that we will be forced to have .NET on our PCs as many
future apps are designed using it. Next Winblows version will probably have
it as part of the OS. Go figure.
 
Le Wed said:
.NET is not "necessary" for anything. Developers can write their
own APIs to these same functions.
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....Mistake, I found on ati.com:
"DAO is required to support the "Library" function of Multimedia Center"
Not the .net stuff !
 
Jeff said:
.NET is not "necessary" for anything. Developers can write their
own APIs to these same functions.
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They can, but ATI's people are having enough trouble making the driver drive
the board without reinventing a wheel that Microsoft has already invented.

I just wish they'd quit masturbating with worthless "features"--ten years
ago they had nice drivers--now all the _useful_ stuff from those is gone or
badly crippled and instead we get _this_ dreck.

It would help if they would actually specify what their drivers and control
panel were supposed to do and then make it do it instead of designing like
a bunch of high school kids.
 
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