Why does VS mark files as changed?

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Bruce

Why does Visual Studio sometimes mark my .ascx files as "changed" as soon as
I open them, and before I've even touched the file in any way? Since I only
want
to save files that are changed so that the file dates are reflective of
files that were actually changed for code management purposes, this is quite
critical to me. Does anyone know how to fix or workaround this bug in VS?

thanks,
Bruce
 
I didn't see the behavior you described with VS.net 2003, but I did notice
if I issued a "save all" with an ascx file open, (but not edited) it did
change the "last modified" date. I guess it's supposed to do that though.
 
If you are using ASP.NET the stupid IDE will reformat the HTML etc. This
constitutes a change as far as the IDE is concerned and marks the page as
changed.

No way around it that I know. Perhaps some day MS will come up with an IDE
that can figure out that opening a file does not constitute an agreement to
reformat and do other behind the scenes changes to information that
developers have spent precious time developing.

But not to worry, someone will say "wait until next release". I think you
are probably amoung those who would like an update to fix all the little
problems that make this IDE a pain in the butt.

Lloyd Sheen
 
Not only does it re-format the HTML (randomly) it also drops code like
runat="server" !!
Every time I edit a page and switch between HTML and design view I have to
check this in my <Head> tag.

Both of these bugs are a real pain.
 
Joe,
I agree with you fully. This newgroup is full of complaints but it seems
that all MS people keep telling us to wait until the next release. Well MS
has constantly put this back. So how suffers. The developers who are
supposed to help MS in creating apps that will bring customers to their
products.

Would it not be in their interest to fix these problems??

Lloyd Sheen
 
http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=18312194

If you guys have any influence as a MVP please let MS know that lots of
current (paid up) developers are tired of waiting for the promissed land.
Maybe they should fix what they have first.

Lloyd Sheen

Alvin Bruney said:
these problems are addressed in whidbey

--
Regards,
Alvin Bruney [ASP.NET MVP]
Got tidbits? Get it here...
http://tinyurl.com/3he3b
Joe,
I agree with you fully. This newgroup is full of complaints but it seems
that all MS people keep telling us to wait until the next release. Well MS
has constantly put this back. So how suffers. The developers who are
supposed to help MS in creating apps that will bring customers to their
products.

Would it not be in their interest to fix these problems??

Lloyd Sheen
have
to page
as think
you Since reflective
of
this
bug
 
Nice article.

MS is well aware of the frustration and is doing everything in its power to
smoothe the anxiety. ( i was told to say that :-).

I agree it is a problem with deeper roots than we can imagine.

--
Regards,
Alvin Bruney [ASP.NET MVP]
Got tidbits? Get it here...
http://tinyurl.com/3he3b
Lloyd Sheen said:
http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=18312194

If you guys have any influence as a MVP please let MS know that lots of
current (paid up) developers are tired of waiting for the promissed land.
Maybe they should fix what they have first.

Lloyd Sheen

Alvin Bruney said:
these problems are addressed in whidbey

--
Regards,
Alvin Bruney [ASP.NET MVP]
Got tidbits? Get it here...
http://tinyurl.com/3he3b
Joe,
I agree with you fully. This newgroup is full of complaints but it seems
that all MS people keep telling us to wait until the next release.
Well
MS
has constantly put this back. So how suffers. The developers who are
supposed to help MS in creating apps that will bring customers to their
products.

Would it not be in their interest to fix these problems??

Lloyd Sheen


Not only does it re-format the HTML (randomly) it also drops code like
runat="server" !!
Every time I edit a page and switch between HTML and design view I
have
to
check this in my <Head> tag.

Both of these bugs are a real pain.
--
Joe Fallon



message
If you are using ASP.NET the stupid IDE will reformat the HTML etc.
This
constitutes a change as far as the IDE is concerned and marks the page
as
changed.

No way around it that I know. Perhaps some day MS will come up
with
an
IDE
that can figure out that opening a file does not constitute an agreement
to
reformat and do other behind the scenes changes to information that
developers have spent precious time developing.

But not to worry, someone will say "wait until next release". I think
you
are probably amoung those who would like an update to fix all the little
problems that make this IDE a pain in the butt.

Lloyd Sheen

Why does Visual Studio sometimes mark my .ascx files as
"changed"
as this bug
 
When I started teaching myself programming, I was poor, and couldn't afford
a commercial compiler (of course, this was back in the early 90's). I found
shareware command-line compilers and used them. I was learning C, using
compilers that wrote in Kernigan-Richey C, and DOS Edit to create my source
code files. Over the years I was slowly able to get better software and
hardware, but what I learned from having almost nothing has stuck with me
and served me well. What did I learn? I learned that the maximum effective
range of an excuse is 0 meters, and that regardless of the quality of the
tools I used, the bottom line was that I was responsible for making the
software that I write happen. I got very good at workarounds, and very good
at programming, like asn athlete that trains by wearing weights around their
ankles.

Find the perfect software package and you'll find you're in a different
universe than the rest of us. If you don't like Microsoft's products, try
Borland, or some other company. I don't think you'll find the grass any
greener over yonder. In fact, I have found the greenest grass to be growing
in Redmond WA.

--
HTH,
Kevin Spencer
..Net Developer
Microsoft MVP
Big things are made up
of lots of little things.

Lloyd Sheen said:
http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=18312194

If you guys have any influence as a MVP please let MS know that lots of
current (paid up) developers are tired of waiting for the promissed land.
Maybe they should fix what they have first.

Lloyd Sheen

Alvin Bruney said:
these problems are addressed in whidbey

--
Regards,
Alvin Bruney [ASP.NET MVP]
Got tidbits? Get it here...
http://tinyurl.com/3he3b
Joe,
I agree with you fully. This newgroup is full of complaints but it seems
that all MS people keep telling us to wait until the next release.
Well
MS
has constantly put this back. So how suffers. The developers who are
supposed to help MS in creating apps that will bring customers to their
products.

Would it not be in their interest to fix these problems??

Lloyd Sheen


Not only does it re-format the HTML (randomly) it also drops code like
runat="server" !!
Every time I edit a page and switch between HTML and design view I
have
to
check this in my <Head> tag.

Both of these bugs are a real pain.
--
Joe Fallon



message
If you are using ASP.NET the stupid IDE will reformat the HTML etc.
This
constitutes a change as far as the IDE is concerned and marks the page
as
changed.

No way around it that I know. Perhaps some day MS will come up
with
an
IDE
that can figure out that opening a file does not constitute an agreement
to
reformat and do other behind the scenes changes to information that
developers have spent precious time developing.

But not to worry, someone will say "wait until next release". I think
you
are probably amoung those who would like an update to fix all the little
problems that make this IDE a pain in the butt.

Lloyd Sheen

Why does Visual Studio sometimes mark my .ascx files as
"changed"
as this bug
 
Thanks for the article and feedback - all. Another year before I can get a
fix to some of these incredibly time wasting bugs! I can't believe it!

An even more annoying problem that has come up recently in our project is
really causing us a lot of pain. We have subdivided our code into 3 main
assemblies. The solution contains each project, and there are dependencies
setup between them to set the compile order. When switching between Debug
and Release, the project becomes corrupt, and about once per day I have to
do one or more of the following to get it going again:

1. Close and reopen Visual Studio
2. Stop the aspnet_wp.exe process
3. Delete all the DLL references and readd them to the project
4. Delete the IIS Virtual Directory, recreate it. This is a major pain
because I have about 20 file mappings that have to be recreated each time I
do this.

This is not isolated to my machine, but happens on our other developers
machines in our company.

The other problem that is really driving us crazy is the instability in the
compiler. All of our developers have this too - the compiler locks up and
goes South several times a day. It just looses it's mind and totally stops
responding, and the browser locks up, and all control is lost inside VS.

That MS wouldn't spend the time to correct these problems in the compiler is
absolutely unacceptable considering how much money we are sending to MS each
year for our MSDN subscriptions!!!!

Lloyd Sheen said:
http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=18312194

If you guys have any influence as a MVP please let MS know that lots of
current (paid up) developers are tired of waiting for the promissed land.
Maybe they should fix what they have first.

Lloyd Sheen

Alvin Bruney said:
these problems are addressed in whidbey

--
Regards,
Alvin Bruney [ASP.NET MVP]
Got tidbits? Get it here...
http://tinyurl.com/3he3b
Joe,
I agree with you fully. This newgroup is full of complaints but it seems
that all MS people keep telling us to wait until the next release.
Well
MS
has constantly put this back. So how suffers. The developers who are
supposed to help MS in creating apps that will bring customers to their
products.

Would it not be in their interest to fix these problems??

Lloyd Sheen


Not only does it re-format the HTML (randomly) it also drops code like
runat="server" !!
Every time I edit a page and switch between HTML and design view I
have
to
check this in my <Head> tag.

Both of these bugs are a real pain.
--
Joe Fallon



message
If you are using ASP.NET the stupid IDE will reformat the HTML etc.
This
constitutes a change as far as the IDE is concerned and marks the page
as
changed.

No way around it that I know. Perhaps some day MS will come up
with
an
IDE
that can figure out that opening a file does not constitute an agreement
to
reformat and do other behind the scenes changes to information that
developers have spent precious time developing.

But not to worry, someone will say "wait until next release". I think
you
are probably amoung those who would like an update to fix all the little
problems that make this IDE a pain in the butt.

Lloyd Sheen

Why does Visual Studio sometimes mark my .ascx files as
"changed"
as this bug
 
I've not experienced the problems you speak of. Before blaming the compiler,
i'd take a real close look at my system configurations and projects.
Instability such as what you describe are more often than not related to
wierd or incorrect configurations and funky applications more than compiler
issues. I base my claim on the fact that the compiler works correctly for
the rest of us and fails for you.

If you would like more help troubleshooting the issue and sorting out the
instability, i recommend you post a question to the vsdebugging newsgroup
where the compiler team actively monitor such threads.

--
Regards,
Alvin Bruney [ASP.NET MVP]
Got tidbits? Get it here...
http://tinyurl.com/3he3b
Bruce said:
Thanks for the article and feedback - all. Another year before I can get a
fix to some of these incredibly time wasting bugs! I can't believe it!

An even more annoying problem that has come up recently in our project is
really causing us a lot of pain. We have subdivided our code into 3 main
assemblies. The solution contains each project, and there are dependencies
setup between them to set the compile order. When switching between Debug
and Release, the project becomes corrupt, and about once per day I have to
do one or more of the following to get it going again:

1. Close and reopen Visual Studio
2. Stop the aspnet_wp.exe process
3. Delete all the DLL references and readd them to the project
4. Delete the IIS Virtual Directory, recreate it. This is a major pain
because I have about 20 file mappings that have to be recreated each time I
do this.

This is not isolated to my machine, but happens on our other developers
machines in our company.

The other problem that is really driving us crazy is the instability in the
compiler. All of our developers have this too - the compiler locks up and
goes South several times a day. It just looses it's mind and totally stops
responding, and the browser locks up, and all control is lost inside VS.

That MS wouldn't spend the time to correct these problems in the compiler is
absolutely unacceptable considering how much money we are sending to MS each
year for our MSDN subscriptions!!!!

http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=18312194

If you guys have any influence as a MVP please let MS know that lots of
current (paid up) developers are tired of waiting for the promissed land.
Maybe they should fix what they have first.

Lloyd Sheen

Alvin Bruney said:
these problems are addressed in whidbey

--
Regards,
Alvin Bruney [ASP.NET MVP]
Got tidbits? Get it here...
http://tinyurl.com/3he3b
Joe,
I agree with you fully. This newgroup is full of complaints but it seems
that all MS people keep telling us to wait until the next release. Well
MS
has constantly put this back. So how suffers. The developers who are
supposed to help MS in creating apps that will bring customers to their
products.

Would it not be in their interest to fix these problems??

Lloyd Sheen


Not only does it re-format the HTML (randomly) it also drops code like
runat="server" !!
Every time I edit a page and switch between HTML and design view I have
to
check this in my <Head> tag.

Both of these bugs are a real pain.
--
Joe Fallon



message
If you are using ASP.NET the stupid IDE will reformat the HTML etc.
This
constitutes a change as far as the IDE is concerned and marks
the
page
as
changed.

No way around it that I know. Perhaps some day MS will come up with
an
IDE
that can figure out that opening a file does not constitute an
agreement
to
reformat and do other behind the scenes changes to information that
developers have spent precious time developing.

But not to worry, someone will say "wait until next release". I think
you
are probably amoung those who would like an update to fix all the
little
problems that make this IDE a pain in the butt.

Lloyd Sheen

Why does Visual Studio sometimes mark my .ascx files as
"changed"
as
soon
as
I open them, and before I've even touched the file in any way?
Since
I
only
want
to save files that are changed so that the file dates are reflective
of
files that were actually changed for code management purposes, this
is
quite
critical to me. Does anyone know how to fix or workaround
this
bug
in
VS?

thanks,
Bruce
 
Hi,

If your interested I found a script on an IIS website that can be used to
add mappings.
After various changes and fixes in order to get the script to work at all;
in fact to get it
to do what I wanted....

I now have a script that can add X number of mappings to an existing site or
virtual
directory. If the mapping already exists it will replace it.

So all you have to do it put the mappings into a text file and then run the
script
with the correct parameters and hey presto 2 secs later all mappings are
added.

If you want the script drop me an email with an address that will accept
zips.
The contained file is a VBS file that you run from the command line with
cscript, i.e.

cscript scriptmap.vbs -i -v myVirtRoot -af mappings.txt

The above will add all the maps in mappings.txt to the site
http://localhost/myVirtRoot and will display information of all the mappings
added from the text file and all the mappings in total defined for the
virtual root.

The script does a few other things like, add a single mapping, delete a
mapping,
replace all mappings with those from a file.

Regards,
Peter
email: (e-mail address removed)
Bruce said:
Thanks for the article and feedback - all. Another year before I can get a
fix to some of these incredibly time wasting bugs! I can't believe it!

An even more annoying problem that has come up recently in our project is
really causing us a lot of pain. We have subdivided our code into 3 main
assemblies. The solution contains each project, and there are dependencies
setup between them to set the compile order. When switching between Debug
and Release, the project becomes corrupt, and about once per day I have to
do one or more of the following to get it going again:

1. Close and reopen Visual Studio
2. Stop the aspnet_wp.exe process
3. Delete all the DLL references and readd them to the project
4. Delete the IIS Virtual Directory, recreate it. This is a major pain
because I have about 20 file mappings that have to be recreated each time I
do this.

This is not isolated to my machine, but happens on our other developers
machines in our company.

The other problem that is really driving us crazy is the instability in the
compiler. All of our developers have this too - the compiler locks up and
goes South several times a day. It just looses it's mind and totally stops
responding, and the browser locks up, and all control is lost inside VS.

That MS wouldn't spend the time to correct these problems in the compiler is
absolutely unacceptable considering how much money we are sending to MS each
year for our MSDN subscriptions!!!!

http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=18312194

If you guys have any influence as a MVP please let MS know that lots of
current (paid up) developers are tired of waiting for the promissed land.
Maybe they should fix what they have first.

Lloyd Sheen

Alvin Bruney said:
these problems are addressed in whidbey

--
Regards,
Alvin Bruney [ASP.NET MVP]
Got tidbits? Get it here...
http://tinyurl.com/3he3b
Joe,
I agree with you fully. This newgroup is full of complaints but it seems
that all MS people keep telling us to wait until the next release. Well
MS
has constantly put this back. So how suffers. The developers who are
supposed to help MS in creating apps that will bring customers to their
products.

Would it not be in their interest to fix these problems??

Lloyd Sheen


Not only does it re-format the HTML (randomly) it also drops code like
runat="server" !!
Every time I edit a page and switch between HTML and design view I have
to
check this in my <Head> tag.

Both of these bugs are a real pain.
--
Joe Fallon



message
If you are using ASP.NET the stupid IDE will reformat the HTML etc.
This
constitutes a change as far as the IDE is concerned and marks
the
page
as
changed.

No way around it that I know. Perhaps some day MS will come up with
an
IDE
that can figure out that opening a file does not constitute an
agreement
to
reformat and do other behind the scenes changes to information that
developers have spent precious time developing.

But not to worry, someone will say "wait until next release". I think
you
are probably amoung those who would like an update to fix all the
little
problems that make this IDE a pain in the butt.

Lloyd Sheen

Why does Visual Studio sometimes mark my .ascx files as
"changed"
as
soon
as
I open them, and before I've even touched the file in any way?
Since
I
only
want
to save files that are changed so that the file dates are reflective
of
files that were actually changed for code management purposes, this
is
quite
critical to me. Does anyone know how to fix or workaround
this
bug
in
VS?

thanks,
Bruce
 
Alvin,

Thanks for your reply, and good advice in general. However, you dismiss
these issues too quickly as I-D-10-T errors :)

We have multiple developers in our company who are working on different
machines, with different configurations who experience all the same problems
I've described. In addition, we are not newbies playing around with the
sample projects from MS. We've been developing a very extensive application
for over 2 1/2 years. It consists, as I described previously, of multiple
assemblies with dependencies setup, as well as several other referenced .NET
DLL's from other project libraries we've built. The entire thing is in
excess of 1600 files (aspx, ascx, cs). Not a small undertaking.

We encountered almost zero problems with 1.0 .NET, but saw major problems
enter when we upgraded to 1.1.

Having said all of that, I would welcome any specific suggestions you, or
others, might have to resolving these specific issues.

thanks,
Bruce


Alvin Bruney said:
I've not experienced the problems you speak of. Before blaming the compiler,
i'd take a real close look at my system configurations and projects.
Instability such as what you describe are more often than not related to
wierd or incorrect configurations and funky applications more than compiler
issues. I base my claim on the fact that the compiler works correctly for
the rest of us and fails for you.

If you would like more help troubleshooting the issue and sorting out the
instability, i recommend you post a question to the vsdebugging newsgroup
where the compiler team actively monitor such threads.

--
Regards,
Alvin Bruney [ASP.NET MVP]
Got tidbits? Get it here...
http://tinyurl.com/3he3b
Bruce said:
Thanks for the article and feedback - all. Another year before I can
get
a
fix to some of these incredibly time wasting bugs! I can't believe it!

An even more annoying problem that has come up recently in our project is
really causing us a lot of pain. We have subdivided our code into 3 main
assemblies. The solution contains each project, and there are dependencies
setup between them to set the compile order. When switching between Debug
and Release, the project becomes corrupt, and about once per day I have to
do one or more of the following to get it going again:

1. Close and reopen Visual Studio
2. Stop the aspnet_wp.exe process
3. Delete all the DLL references and readd them to the project
4. Delete the IIS Virtual Directory, recreate it. This is a major pain
because I have about 20 file mappings that have to be recreated each
time
I
do this.

This is not isolated to my machine, but happens on our other developers
machines in our company.

The other problem that is really driving us crazy is the instability in the
compiler. All of our developers have this too - the compiler locks up and
goes South several times a day. It just looses it's mind and totally stops
responding, and the browser locks up, and all control is lost inside VS.

That MS wouldn't spend the time to correct these problems in the
compiler
is
absolutely unacceptable considering how much money we are sending to MS each
year for our MSDN subscriptions!!!!

http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=18312194

If you guys have any influence as a MVP please let MS know that lots of
current (paid up) developers are tired of waiting for the promissed land.
Maybe they should fix what they have first.

Lloyd Sheen

"Alvin Bruney [MVP]" <vapor at steaming post office> wrote in message
these problems are addressed in whidbey

--
Regards,
Alvin Bruney [ASP.NET MVP]
Got tidbits? Get it here...
http://tinyurl.com/3he3b
message
Joe,
I agree with you fully. This newgroup is full of complaints but it
seems
that all MS people keep telling us to wait until the next release. Well
MS
has constantly put this back. So how suffers. The developers who are
supposed to help MS in creating apps that will bring customers to their
products.

Would it not be in their interest to fix these problems??

Lloyd Sheen


Not only does it re-format the HTML (randomly) it also drops
code
like
 
I didn't intend to come across as dismissive.

I believe you can find more specialized help at the newsgroup i pointed you
in because the compiler team actively monitors this group. I do not believe
there is much monitoring of *aspnet group by the compiler team which is why
problems such as yours may not be addressed.

--
Regards,
Alvin Bruney [ASP.NET MVP]
Got tidbits? Get it here...
http://tinyurl.com/3he3b
Bruce said:
Alvin,

Thanks for your reply, and good advice in general. However, you dismiss
these issues too quickly as I-D-10-T errors :)

We have multiple developers in our company who are working on different
machines, with different configurations who experience all the same problems
I've described. In addition, we are not newbies playing around with the
sample projects from MS. We've been developing a very extensive application
for over 2 1/2 years. It consists, as I described previously, of multiple
assemblies with dependencies setup, as well as several other referenced ..NET
DLL's from other project libraries we've built. The entire thing is in
excess of 1600 files (aspx, ascx, cs). Not a small undertaking.

We encountered almost zero problems with 1.0 .NET, but saw major problems
enter when we upgraded to 1.1.

Having said all of that, I would welcome any specific suggestions you, or
others, might have to resolving these specific issues.

thanks,
Bruce


Alvin Bruney said:
I've not experienced the problems you speak of. Before blaming the compiler,
i'd take a real close look at my system configurations and projects.
Instability such as what you describe are more often than not related to
wierd or incorrect configurations and funky applications more than compiler
issues. I base my claim on the fact that the compiler works correctly for
the rest of us and fails for you.

If you would like more help troubleshooting the issue and sorting out the
instability, i recommend you post a question to the vsdebugging newsgroup
where the compiler team actively monitor such threads.

--
Regards,
Alvin Bruney [ASP.NET MVP]
Got tidbits? Get it here...
http://tinyurl.com/3he3b
Bruce said:
Thanks for the article and feedback - all. Another year before I can
get
a
fix to some of these incredibly time wasting bugs! I can't believe it!

An even more annoying problem that has come up recently in our project is
really causing us a lot of pain. We have subdivided our code into 3 main
assemblies. The solution contains each project, and there are dependencies
setup between them to set the compile order. When switching between Debug
and Release, the project becomes corrupt, and about once per day I
have
to
do one or more of the following to get it going again:

1. Close and reopen Visual Studio
2. Stop the aspnet_wp.exe process
3. Delete all the DLL references and readd them to the project
4. Delete the IIS Virtual Directory, recreate it. This is a major pain
because I have about 20 file mappings that have to be recreated each
time
I
do this.

This is not isolated to my machine, but happens on our other developers
machines in our company.

The other problem that is really driving us crazy is the instability
in
the
compiler. All of our developers have this too - the compiler locks
up
and
goes South several times a day. It just looses it's mind and totally stops
responding, and the browser locks up, and all control is lost inside VS.

That MS wouldn't spend the time to correct these problems in the
compiler
is
absolutely unacceptable considering how much money we are sending to
MS
each
year for our MSDN subscriptions!!!!
http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=18312194
If you guys have any influence as a MVP please let MS know that lots of
current (paid up) developers are tired of waiting for the promissed land.
Maybe they should fix what they have first.

Lloyd Sheen

"Alvin Bruney [MVP]" <vapor at steaming post office> wrote in message
these problems are addressed in whidbey

--
Regards,
Alvin Bruney [ASP.NET MVP]
Got tidbits? Get it here...
http://tinyurl.com/3he3b
message
Joe,
I agree with you fully. This newgroup is full of complaints but it
seems
that all MS people keep telling us to wait until the next release.
Well
MS
has constantly put this back. So how suffers. The developers
who
are
supposed to help MS in creating apps that will bring customers to
their
products.

Would it not be in their interest to fix these problems??

Lloyd Sheen


Not only does it re-format the HTML (randomly) it also drops code
like
runat="server" !!
Every time I edit a page and switch between HTML and design
view
 
Hi Brucxe,

If it's any consolation, we experience similar build problems
intermittently, and they seem to happen most often with strong-named
assemblies that are used in multiple solutions. However, this newsgroup
isn't the best place to address VS.Net IDE issues. You will probably find
better help in the Visual Studio newsgroups.

--
HTH,
Kevin Spencer
..Net Developer
Microsoft MVP
Big things are made up
of lots of little things.

Bruce said:
Alvin,

Thanks for your reply, and good advice in general. However, you dismiss
these issues too quickly as I-D-10-T errors :)

We have multiple developers in our company who are working on different
machines, with different configurations who experience all the same problems
I've described. In addition, we are not newbies playing around with the
sample projects from MS. We've been developing a very extensive application
for over 2 1/2 years. It consists, as I described previously, of multiple
assemblies with dependencies setup, as well as several other referenced ..NET
DLL's from other project libraries we've built. The entire thing is in
excess of 1600 files (aspx, ascx, cs). Not a small undertaking.

We encountered almost zero problems with 1.0 .NET, but saw major problems
enter when we upgraded to 1.1.

Having said all of that, I would welcome any specific suggestions you, or
others, might have to resolving these specific issues.

thanks,
Bruce


Alvin Bruney said:
I've not experienced the problems you speak of. Before blaming the compiler,
i'd take a real close look at my system configurations and projects.
Instability such as what you describe are more often than not related to
wierd or incorrect configurations and funky applications more than compiler
issues. I base my claim on the fact that the compiler works correctly for
the rest of us and fails for you.

If you would like more help troubleshooting the issue and sorting out the
instability, i recommend you post a question to the vsdebugging newsgroup
where the compiler team actively monitor such threads.

--
Regards,
Alvin Bruney [ASP.NET MVP]
Got tidbits? Get it here...
http://tinyurl.com/3he3b
Bruce said:
Thanks for the article and feedback - all. Another year before I can
get
a
fix to some of these incredibly time wasting bugs! I can't believe it!

An even more annoying problem that has come up recently in our project is
really causing us a lot of pain. We have subdivided our code into 3 main
assemblies. The solution contains each project, and there are dependencies
setup between them to set the compile order. When switching between Debug
and Release, the project becomes corrupt, and about once per day I
have
to
do one or more of the following to get it going again:

1. Close and reopen Visual Studio
2. Stop the aspnet_wp.exe process
3. Delete all the DLL references and readd them to the project
4. Delete the IIS Virtual Directory, recreate it. This is a major pain
because I have about 20 file mappings that have to be recreated each
time
I
do this.

This is not isolated to my machine, but happens on our other developers
machines in our company.

The other problem that is really driving us crazy is the instability
in
the
compiler. All of our developers have this too - the compiler locks
up
and
goes South several times a day. It just looses it's mind and totally stops
responding, and the browser locks up, and all control is lost inside VS.

That MS wouldn't spend the time to correct these problems in the
compiler
is
absolutely unacceptable considering how much money we are sending to
MS
each
year for our MSDN subscriptions!!!!
http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=18312194
If you guys have any influence as a MVP please let MS know that lots of
current (paid up) developers are tired of waiting for the promissed land.
Maybe they should fix what they have first.

Lloyd Sheen

"Alvin Bruney [MVP]" <vapor at steaming post office> wrote in message
these problems are addressed in whidbey

--
Regards,
Alvin Bruney [ASP.NET MVP]
Got tidbits? Get it here...
http://tinyurl.com/3he3b
message
Joe,
I agree with you fully. This newgroup is full of complaints but it
seems
that all MS people keep telling us to wait until the next release.
Well
MS
has constantly put this back. So how suffers. The developers
who
are
supposed to help MS in creating apps that will bring customers to
their
products.

Would it not be in their interest to fix these problems??

Lloyd Sheen


Not only does it re-format the HTML (randomly) it also drops code
like
runat="server" !!
Every time I edit a page and switch between HTML and design
view
 
Thanks - I'll give it a try.

Kevin Spencer said:
Hi Brucxe,

If it's any consolation, we experience similar build problems
intermittently, and they seem to happen most often with strong-named
assemblies that are used in multiple solutions. However, this newsgroup
isn't the best place to address VS.Net IDE issues. You will probably find
better help in the Visual Studio newsgroups.

--
HTH,
Kevin Spencer
.Net Developer
Microsoft MVP
Big things are made up
of lots of little things.

Bruce said:
Alvin,

Thanks for your reply, and good advice in general. However, you dismiss
these issues too quickly as I-D-10-T errors :)

We have multiple developers in our company who are working on different
machines, with different configurations who experience all the same problems
I've described. In addition, we are not newbies playing around with the
sample projects from MS. We've been developing a very extensive application
for over 2 1/2 years. It consists, as I described previously, of multiple
assemblies with dependencies setup, as well as several other referenced .NET
DLL's from other project libraries we've built. The entire thing is in
excess of 1600 files (aspx, ascx, cs). Not a small undertaking.

We encountered almost zero problems with 1.0 .NET, but saw major problems
enter when we upgraded to 1.1.

Having said all of that, I would welcome any specific suggestions you, or
others, might have to resolving these specific issues.

thanks,
Bruce


Alvin Bruney said:
I've not experienced the problems you speak of. Before blaming the compiler,
i'd take a real close look at my system configurations and projects.
Instability such as what you describe are more often than not related to
wierd or incorrect configurations and funky applications more than compiler
issues. I base my claim on the fact that the compiler works correctly for
the rest of us and fails for you.

If you would like more help troubleshooting the issue and sorting out the
instability, i recommend you post a question to the vsdebugging newsgroup
where the compiler team actively monitor such threads.

--
Regards,
Alvin Bruney [ASP.NET MVP]
Got tidbits? Get it here...
http://tinyurl.com/3he3b
Thanks for the article and feedback - all. Another year before I
can
get
a
fix to some of these incredibly time wasting bugs! I can't believe it!

An even more annoying problem that has come up recently in our
project
is
really causing us a lot of pain. We have subdivided our code into 3 main
assemblies. The solution contains each project, and there are
dependencies
setup between them to set the compile order. When switching between
Debug
and Release, the project becomes corrupt, and about once per day I
have
to
do one or more of the following to get it going again:

1. Close and reopen Visual Studio
2. Stop the aspnet_wp.exe process
3. Delete all the DLL references and readd them to the project
4. Delete the IIS Virtual Directory, recreate it. This is a major pain
because I have about 20 file mappings that have to be recreated each time
I
do this.

This is not isolated to my machine, but happens on our other developers
machines in our company.

The other problem that is really driving us crazy is the instability in
the
compiler. All of our developers have this too - the compiler locks up
and
goes South several times a day. It just looses it's mind and totally
stops
responding, and the browser locks up, and all control is lost inside VS.

That MS wouldn't spend the time to correct these problems in the compiler
is
absolutely unacceptable considering how much money we are sending to MS
each
year for our MSDN subscriptions!!!!

message

http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=18312194

If you guys have any influence as a MVP please let MS know that
lots
of
current (paid up) developers are tired of waiting for the promissed
land.
Maybe they should fix what they have first.

Lloyd Sheen

"Alvin Bruney [MVP]" <vapor at steaming post office> wrote in message
these problems are addressed in whidbey

--
Regards,
Alvin Bruney [ASP.NET MVP]
Got tidbits? Get it here...
http://tinyurl.com/3he3b
in but
it view come
up
constitute
an release". any
way?
 
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