where will the experts go when ms deletes this ng?

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I understand ms is deleting newsgroups soon. Are there plans on this group
of the main experts for an alternate group to migrate to?
 
Mike,

Did you tweak the webinterface a little bit, you can change things in your
settings.

As it start, it is like you wrote, but setting it to threaded view makes it
much better.

However, I still miss a view, which shows me only the headers in a threaded
view, like in newsgroups.

On the other hand becomes the possibility to show only your own threads
every day better.

Cor
 
Am 18.05.2010 04:02, schrieb Family Tree Mike:
I'm no expert, but I frequent this group. For what it's worth, I've
been looking at the MSDN Forums at
http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vbgeneral/threads. The
web interface is dreck in my opinion, but using the "Microsoft Forums
NNTP Bridge" makes it work with nntp clients pretty well.
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Ok ok, I'm gonna make my first-time visit there today. I guess I have to.
We have to. :-( Champaaagne!
 
I understand ms is deleting newsgroups soon. Are there plans on this group
of the main experts for an alternate group to migrate to?
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Keep in mind that this is USENET, which is by its very design
decentralized. This means that MS can only delete these newsgroups from
its own servers and send out a control msg "requesting" that other ISPs
do likewise. Whether other ISPs honor the control msg is problematic. So
I suspect these newsgroups will linger for years.

What will the MVPs and other experts do when MS shuts down the groups on
their servers? If they are actually getting their newsgroup feed from
the MS servers, you won't see them here anymore. But if they are getting
their newsgroup feed from another ISP, they will probably stick around
for a while.

I have given the NNTP Bridge a try for the last 5-6 days. I'm not real
happy with the results and have since shut it down. When the newsgroups
dry up and I have a question that I can't find the answer to, I guess
I'll have to post on a web forum. I don't know if my first choice will
be an MS forum though.
 
What will the MVPs and other experts do when MS shuts down the groups on
their servers? If they are actually getting their newsgroup feed from
the MS servers, you won't see them here anymore. But if they are getting
their newsgroup feed from another ISP, they will probably stick around
for a while.
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Some of those are very slow, bad and often have a very short retention time.

The only good alternative is in my idea Google, but that has as well a web
interface, which shows up even worse then the forums in threaded view.
 
Cor Ligthert said:
Mike,

Did you tweak the webinterface a little bit, you can change things in your
settings.

As it start, it is like you wrote, but setting it to threaded view makes it
much better.

However, I still miss a view, which shows me only the headers in a threaded
view, like in newsgroups.

On the other hand becomes the possibility to show only your own threads
every day better.

Cor



.
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No, I didn't try the treaded view option, but will give it a go this
evening. The bridge gives me the threaded views, and lets me more easily
track the threads I care about, it seems. Maybe I'm just too much of an old
timer for the "web way"...

Mike
 
Dennis said:
Keep in mind that this is USENET, which is by its very design
decentralized. This means that MS can only delete these newsgroups from
its own servers and send out a control msg "requesting" that other ISPs
do likewise. Whether other ISPs honor the control msg is problematic. So
I suspect these newsgroups will linger for years.

What will the MVPs and other experts do when MS shuts down the groups on
their servers? If they are actually getting their newsgroup feed from
the MS servers, you won't see them here anymore. But if they are getting
their newsgroup feed from another ISP, they will probably stick around
for a while.

I have given the NNTP Bridge a try for the last 5-6 days. I'm not real
happy with the results and have since shut it down. When the newsgroups
dry up and I have a question that I can't find the answer to, I guess
I'll have to post on a web forum. I don't know if my first choice will
be an MS forum though.
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It seems to me the bridge software works slightly better with "Windows Mail"
on Vista than it does with Thunderbird. In Thunderbird, threads appeared as
unread from time to time, though they were read.

Mike
 
VBForums (www.vbforums.com) and DevX (www.devx.com), perhaps . Another are
the MSDN forums. All are web based, and a PITA, IMO. However...

I've been active on the MSDN forums, and I plan to concentrate there. I
also visit VBForums, though I don't spend much time on DevX.

Dick

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2006.
 
I was in the past verry active on Freevbcode ( was once a "helper of the
month" etc etc ) and switched to DevX when Freevbcode became a part of that
website
however i have the idea that Devx is not so good maintained annymore in the
past few years there are no new features on the site , bugs are not fixed
and if you send
tips or code it is almost never published and you do not receive anny
feedback after your initial automatic submit .

maybe this MS decission gives the DevX authors the necesary kick in the but
to do things "right" again ?

regards

Michel
 
Hi Mike,
No, I didn't try the treaded view option, but will give it a go this
evening. The bridge gives me the threaded views, and lets me more easily
track the threads I care about, it seems. Maybe I'm just too much of an old
timer for the "web way"...
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concerning the threads you're interested in, I particularly like the "My
Alerts" option (TR, underneath your account pic) which allows to just see
the threads in which you either replied or where you clicked the "Alert me"
link. It's far from being as useful as i.e. 40tude's scoring system, but it
allows to just see the threads that you care most for, but for all the
forums.

Cheers,
Olaf
 
Michel Posseth [MCP] brought next idea :
I was in the past verry active on Freevbcode ( was once a "helper of the
month" etc etc ) and switched to DevX when Freevbcode became a part of that
website
however i have the idea that Devx is not so good maintained annymore in the
past few years there are no new features on the site , bugs are not fixed and
if you send
tips or code it is almost never published and you do not receive anny
feedback after your initial automatic submit .

maybe this MS decission gives the DevX authors the necesary kick in the but
to do things "right" again ?

regards

Michel
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Ironically, it was the conversion to web based forums that drove me
away from devx. I used to be quite active there back when they still
supported nntp.
 
I understand ms is deleting newsgroups soon. Are there plans on this group
of the main experts for an alternate group to migrate to?
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I don't believe I'll be moving to the forum, Usenet is alive and well
and is still the perfect place to do this type of thing.

I'll stay here as long as the groups remain in public.
 
Hi Mike,


concerning the threads you're interested in, I particularly like the "My
Alerts" option (TR, underneath your account pic) which allows to just see
the threads in which you either replied or where you clicked the "Alert me"
link. It's far from being as useful as i.e. 40tude's scoring system, but it
allows to just see the threads that you care most for, but for all the
forums.

Cheers,
Olaf
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It appears that you need to manually refresh the page to see updates on
those pages. Hopefully I'm just missing something...
 
Hi,
It appears that you need to manually refresh the page to see updates on
those pages. Hopefully I'm just missing something...
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yep, that page doesn't seem to be "ajaxified".

I'm just wondering how (of if) MS will manage the additional load on their
forums when the NNTP-NGs have been closed. I've been using the forums for
less than a year and there's numerous problems, like the alerts either not
working or coming with a long delay, or the servers simply not responding
at all (like right now) ...

Cheers,
Olaf
 
Olaf said:
I'm just wondering how (of if) MS will manage the additional load on
their forums when the NNTP-NGs have been closed.
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From this note I assume they're adding hardware:
"Forums and Profile for Microsoft, MSDN, TechNet, Answers, and Expression
sites will be intermittently offline from 4:00 p.m. to 10:00 p.m. (PDT) on
May 21, 2010, for system upgrades. During this time, users will not be able
to access the sites or may experience intermittent error messages. We
apologize in advance for the inconvenience."
 
Hi,

Andrew said:
From this note I assume they're adding hardware:
"Forums and Profile for Microsoft, MSDN, TechNet, Answers, and Expression
sites will be intermittently offline from 4:00 p.m. to 10:00 p.m. (PDT) on
May 21, 2010, for system upgrades. During this time, users will not be able
to access the sites or may experience intermittent error messages. We
apologize in advance for the inconvenience."
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yep, I saw that too. However, the servers weren't responding on late 5/19
PDT (which is early 5/20 here on GMT+2), but maybe it was just someone
being to eager ... :-)

Cheers,
Olaf
 
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