where to buy shelf attachment to monitor?

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Where can I buy a plastic attachment for my monitor that allows me to store
small pc speakers, etc? What are these things called?

Thanks in anticipation :)
 
"Strangiato" said in news:[email protected]:
Where can I buy a plastic attachment for my monitor that allows me to
store small pc speakers, etc? What are these things called?

Thanks in anticipation :)
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I've never seen speaker hangers sold separately of the speakers. I
don't recall ever seeing speakers having standardized mounting holes to
screw into a hanger bracket so the speaker maker has to provide their
own. I suppose they exist but I never looked. Instead of using a
bracket that wraps around your monitor, why not use self-stick velcro.
I don't mean the kind of velcro that is fuzzy and soft to the touch on
one side and has cut loops on the other. I mean the kind that has the
same stiff plastic threads on both sides and interlock by pushing their
fat head tops past each other. It's like industrial grade velcro. I've
used superlock, or dual-lock, velcro for years to position my speakers
at the top left and right corners of my monitor. Frees up desk space
and also puts the speakers at ear level.

Radio Shack has the superlock velcro; see http://snipurl.com/584f
(black) and http://snipurl.com/584g (red) (the stuff I usually get is
white). At 4 pounds per inch and at 3 inches long, it would hold up 12
pounds. JoAnn Fabrics also has the self-stick dual-lock velcro
(http://snipurl.com/584j ). I only use 1 strip on a speaker but you
could use 2 to double their holding strength. Use isopropyl alcohol to
clean the surfaces before sticking on the strips. How heavy are your
speakers?
 
*Vanguard* said:
"Strangiato" said in


I've never seen speaker hangers sold separately of the speakers. I
don't recall ever seeing speakers having standardized mounting holes to
screw into a hanger bracket so the speaker maker has to provide their
own. I suppose they exist but I never looked. Instead of using a
bracket that wraps around your monitor, why not use self-stick velcro.
I don't mean the kind of velcro that is fuzzy and soft to the touch on
one side and has cut loops on the other. I mean the kind that has the
same stiff plastic threads on both sides and interlock by pushing their
fat head tops past each other. It's like industrial grade velcro. I've
used superlock, or dual-lock, velcro for years to position my speakers
at the top left and right corners of my monitor. Frees up desk space
and also puts the speakers at ear level.

Radio Shack has the superlock velcro; see http://snipurl.com/584f
(black) and http://snipurl.com/584g (red) (the stuff I usually get is
white). At 4 pounds per inch and at 3 inches long, it would hold up 12
pounds. JoAnn Fabrics also has the self-stick dual-lock velcro
(http://snipurl.com/584j ). I only use 1 strip on a speaker but you
could use 2 to double their holding strength. Use isopropyl alcohol to
clean the surfaces before sticking on the strips. How heavy are your
speakers?
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Attaching speakers to the sides of a monitor can sometimes cause
distortion of the monitor. This is due to the magnetic field of the
speaker coils. Many monitors that are made for the attachment of
speakers have shielding to negate this problem. Of course you might not
have a problem, I just thought you should be aware of it none the less.
 
"(e-mail address removed)" said in
Attaching speakers to the sides of a monitor can sometimes cause
distortion of the monitor. This is due to the magnetic field of the
speaker coils. Many monitors that are made for the attachment of
speakers have shielding to negate this problem. Of course you might
not have a problem, I just thought you should be aware of it none the
less.
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I had assumed the OP was asking about how to mount *computer* speakers.
Those are shielded. If they are not shielded, they are not computer
speakers. They're just speakers, like what you use for your stereo
system (which can screw the picture in your television, too).

The OP said "pc speakers". That means they are shielded. I suppose
it's possible that some shifty marketeer is selling unshielded speakers
as computer speakers, much like removing the label on the dog food can
and slapping on a label saying it is pate de foie gras.



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Thank you gentlemen.

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I had assumed the OP was asking about how to mount *computer* speakers.
Those are shielded. If they are not shielded, they are not computer
speakers. They're just speakers, like what you use for your stereo
system (which can screw the picture in your television, too).

The OP said "pc speakers". That means they are shielded. I suppose
it's possible that some shifty marketeer is selling unshielded speakers
as computer speakers, much like removing the label on the dog food can
and slapping on a label saying it is pate de foie gras.



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Where can I buy a plastic attachment for my monitor that allows me to store
small pc speakers, etc? What are these things called?
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Bad ideas.






*´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·-> Ratz O. Fratzo
 
"-= Ratz O. Fratzo =-" said in
Bad ideas.
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I'm pretty sure the OP wanted *substantiated* opinions or directions.
I've had a pair of Altec 305 (shielded, of course) on the sides of my
Nokia and Viewsonic monitors for years. Because they are well shielded,
and also the cable, there are no artifacts on the screen; i.e., no
residual magnetic fields screw up the display. I've also had Yamaha and
Labtec computer speakers sitting on the desk but abutting the monitor.
Still no problem. In fact, most computer speakers work just fine along
a monitor - because they must be shielded to be considered computer
speakers.
 
"-= Ratz O. Fratzo =-" said in


I'm pretty sure the OP wanted *substantiated* opinions or directions.
I've had a pair of Altec 305 (shielded, of course) on the sides of my
Nokia and Viewsonic monitors for years. Because they are well shielded,
and also the cable, there are no artifacts on the screen; i.e., no
residual magnetic fields screw up the display. I've also had Yamaha and
Labtec computer speakers sitting on the desk but abutting the monitor.
Still no problem. In fact, most computer speakers work just fine along
a monitor - because they must be shielded to be considered computer
speakers.
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The magnetic field/monitor issue aside, I was also referring to sound.
Stereo sound devices sound better with some separation between the
channels. Mounting them on the monitor gives you what, a foot and a
half? Bad idea.







*´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·-> Ratz O. Fratzo
 
"-= Ratz O. Fratzo =-" said in
The magnetic field/monitor issue aside, I was also referring to sound.
Stereo sound devices sound better with some separation between the
channels. Mounting them on the monitor gives you what, a foot and a
half? Bad idea.
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And you are also a hell of lot closer to your computer speakers than
when you are sitting in a lounger a ways away from your stereo system
speakers. The stereo separation is based on the angle, not distance.
You can get stereo separate with headphones and there's no distance
there (except between your eardrum and the headphone speaker). Distance
isn't relevant unless you're really into reverb so you need that extra
distance to generate more variation in timing of reverb differential
between the speakers. If you're suggesting that the speakers be placed
6 or 10 feet apart, or more, then basically you're telling the user to
sit directly between the speakers. You don't then even need speakers.
Just get a pair of headphones. Maybe there are some really expensive
setups, but headphones have never given me the same spatial coloring
afforded by speakers.

Nobody expects the same quality from a computer system using speakers
under $400 when compared to a $3000 setup where you use a sound meter to
measure the sweet zone along with cancellation spots. Most folks just
buy the speakers and place them where they can because the environment
dictates the physical limitations far more often than acoustical
physics. Some folks have the money to build a special room for
acoustics. Some just use a big room and plop the speakers where they
think is best. But most have physical limitation in their living
environment that have nothing to do with acoustics. You do the best you
can with what you have.

Of course, none of this side discussion has anything to do with the
original post. Doesn't matter why the OP wants to have their speakers
mounted on their monitor. They made that choice and now they're looking
for the hardware to meet that requirement. Could be they're in a
cubicle so forget about placing the user the proper distance in front of
the plane between the speakers and having enough room to separate the
speakers. Could be the system is getting put into a kiosk so again the
separation of speakers is physically impossible. I wasn't really
interested in why Strangiato wanted to mount his/her speakers on the
monitor, but did provide one possible solution that THAT requirement.

What is best and what is doable are rarely the same thing.
 
The magnetic field/monitor issue aside, I was also referring to sound.
Stereo sound devices sound better with some separation between the
channels. Mounting them on the monitor gives you what, a foot and a
half? Bad idea.
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Just how far apart do you suppose they ought to be?

I'm sitting several feet away from the monitor right now but I figure most
people are more-or-less at arm's reach, making a speaker width of 1 1/2 '
not too far from correct positioning.

As for the magnetic issues, it's easy enough to just hold the speakers up
to the side of the monitor and see if there's distortion. Even some
shielded speakers will cause distortion, particularly if they're larger,
though I suppose most people wouldn't be trying to attach larger speakers
to their monitor.
 
Just how far apart do you suppose they ought to be?
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Far enough that your ears can separate the stereo channels. If they
are mounted to the sides of your monitor, and your head is 14 inches
from the front of the monitor, then you won't hear the separation at
all, or like you would with them 4 feet apart.






*´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·-> Ratz O. Fratzo
 
Far enough that your ears can separate the stereo channels. If they
are mounted to the sides of your monitor, and your head is 14 inches
from the front of the monitor, then you won't hear the separation at
all, or like you would with them 4 feet apart.
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If your head is 14" from the monitor then 4' is WAY too far apart for
proper stereo separation. Don't take my word for it, check a few AV
guides on the 'net.
 
If your head is 14" from the monitor then 4' is WAY too far apart for
proper stereo separation. Don't take my word for it, check a few AV
guides on the 'net.
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Whatever. My speaker installation guide said at least 4 feet of
separation. It's not worth splitting hairs over.







*´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·-> Ratz O. Fratzo
 
"kony" said in news:[email protected]:
If your head is 14" from the monitor then 4' is WAY too far apart for
proper stereo separation. Don't take my word for it, check a few AV
guides on the 'net.
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If you do a Google search and read some of the more technical articles
on acoustics and statistical research on what most users felt was a
correct positioning for stereo separation, they say 72 degrees. Mine
are at about 65 degrees (from my nose) so I'm close. Plus you have to
realize that you can select environment templates for audio that affect
the differential delay between the speakers (delay is how you tell left
from right). My Altec also have 2 sets of speakers within each
enclosure that are oriented at different angles and includes its own
surround sound feature that expands the perceived separation and emulate
a middle channel. You can accomplish in electronics what you cannot
perform in the environment because you don't have the room and don't
have the luxury to build the room just for proper acoustics. Even my
stereo amp has spatial effects that can widen the speaker stance along
with changing depth. What you perceive aurally is not how the speakers
must be positioned.

Close your eyes and reach out in front of you to snap your fingers 2 to
4 inches either side of a line out from your nose. See, you can
discriminate the position at which you are snapping your fingers. If 4
feet were the requirement for stereo separation, they why do headphones
work? I know some of us have inflated egos but that [hopefully] doesn't
equate to the physical size of our heads. :)


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*Vanguard* said:
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I had assumed the OP was asking about how to mount *computer*
speakers. Those are shielded. If they are not shielded, they are not
computer speakers. They're just speakers, like what you use for your
stereo system (which can screw the picture in your television, too).

The OP said "pc speakers". That means they are shielded. I suppose
it's possible that some shifty marketeer is selling unshielded
speakers as computer speakers, much like removing the label on the
dog food can and slapping on a label saying it is pate de foie gras.
Click to expand...

And I bet no one could taste the difference! <eg>
 
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