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DL
In a server group, assuming that from your last post
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Bob I
They are volunteers, with real lives too.
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Guest
I know, but they shouldn't volunteer if they aren't going to be here. I'd at
least like a "you need to be in that group," or "MS doesn't have a fix," or
"we (I) have no idea."
Of course, I'm acting out of frustration. I've posted dozens of times and
have less than, maybe, a 15 percent response from any of them. Yet MS has a
Web page touting them, with "profiles" of about half a dozen.
MVP - the V stands for valuable. The implies value. There's no value in
them not responding to as many questions as possible. Someone with the MVP
"circle" should be checking to see if these questions are being addressed.
If not, why even have the MVP program?
And as to they have real lives too. So do I, and that life includes my
family, myself and work, usually in that order. I do pretty well at
balancing all, and I put in a lot of hours for all of them.
jwkh
least like a "you need to be in that group," or "MS doesn't have a fix," or
"we (I) have no idea."
Of course, I'm acting out of frustration. I've posted dozens of times and
have less than, maybe, a 15 percent response from any of them. Yet MS has a
Web page touting them, with "profiles" of about half a dozen.
MVP - the V stands for valuable. The implies value. There's no value in
them not responding to as many questions as possible. Someone with the MVP
"circle" should be checking to see if these questions are being addressed.
If not, why even have the MVP program?
And as to they have real lives too. So do I, and that life includes my
family, myself and work, usually in that order. I do pretty well at
balancing all, and I put in a lot of hours for all of them.
jwkh
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Derald
Well, since for the most part, they seem to be a group of top-posting
twits, they're on twit lists where they belong and, likely, going
unread.
twits, they're on twit lists where they belong and, likely, going
unread.
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Guest
Derald,
I'm not sure I fully agree on that...but I don't come here that often. I
have seen MVPs' "comment's" over "posting for recognition." Something I don't
fully understand since I don't know what the MVP program is really about.
Anyway, I've seen some great responses from MVPs...but even more from the
grunts (other members).
I just get upset that MS has a Web page that has so much about MVPs, but I
see so many questions that are never replied to by any MVP.
It seems to be an "official" program supported by MS, yet there is little
support.
That's just my opinion...I may be wrong.
jwkh
I'm not sure I fully agree on that...but I don't come here that often. I
have seen MVPs' "comment's" over "posting for recognition." Something I don't
fully understand since I don't know what the MVP program is really about.
Anyway, I've seen some great responses from MVPs...but even more from the
grunts (other members).
I just get upset that MS has a Web page that has so much about MVPs, but I
see so many questions that are never replied to by any MVP.
It seems to be an "official" program supported by MS, yet there is little
support.
That's just my opinion...I may be wrong.
jwkh
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Bob I
The MVP award is for the contributions in the previous year, nothing
more, nothing less, and has no bearing on future replies. They
volunteered their time to answer the questions they did answer. And
nobody can speak for someone else, and since this is a public group, is
certainly would be stupid for everyone that read your question to reply
that "they didn't know". Now, just what makes you think you worthy of an
answer? Perhaps you should consider what effort you put in as against
what you seem to expect in return. And remember people only reply when
they have something to say. Also, you may want to post under a different
pseudonym for best future response.
more, nothing less, and has no bearing on future replies. They
volunteered their time to answer the questions they did answer. And
nobody can speak for someone else, and since this is a public group, is
certainly would be stupid for everyone that read your question to reply
that "they didn't know". Now, just what makes you think you worthy of an
answer? Perhaps you should consider what effort you put in as against
what you seem to expect in return. And remember people only reply when
they have something to say. Also, you may want to post under a different
pseudonym for best future response.
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Tom [Pepper] Willett
....and, since it's a peer-to-peer newsgroup, there are many, many other
persons who can answer questions other than just MVPs.
Tom
| The MVP award is for the contributions in the previous year, nothing
| more, nothing less, and has no bearing on future replies. They
| volunteered their time to answer the questions they did answer. And
| nobody can speak for someone else, and since this is a public group, is
| certainly would be stupid for everyone that read your question to reply
| that "they didn't know". Now, just what makes you think you worthy of an
| answer? Perhaps you should consider what effort you put in as against
| what you seem to expect in return. And remember people only reply when
| they have something to say. Also, you may want to post under a different
| pseudonym for best future response.
|
|
|
| jwkh wrote:
|
| > I know, but they shouldn't volunteer if they aren't going to be here.
I'd at
| > least like a "you need to be in that group," or "MS doesn't have a fix,"
or
| > "we (I) have no idea."
| >
| > Of course, I'm acting out of frustration. I've posted dozens of times
and
| > have less than, maybe, a 15 percent response from any of them. Yet MS
has a
| > Web page touting them, with "profiles" of about half a dozen.
| >
| > MVP - the V stands for valuable. The implies value. There's no value
in
| > them not responding to as many questions as possible. Someone with the
MVP
| > "circle" should be checking to see if these questions are being
addressed.
| > If not, why even have the MVP program?
| >
| > And as to they have real lives too. So do I, and that life includes my
| > family, myself and work, usually in that order. I do pretty well at
| > balancing all, and I put in a lot of hours for all of them.
| >
| > jwkh
| >
| >
| > "Bob I" wrote:
| >
| >
| >>They are volunteers, with real lives too.
| >>
| >>jwkh wrote:
| >>
| >>
| >>>jwkh
| >>>
| >>>
| >>>
| >>
| >>
|
persons who can answer questions other than just MVPs.
Tom
| The MVP award is for the contributions in the previous year, nothing
| more, nothing less, and has no bearing on future replies. They
| volunteered their time to answer the questions they did answer. And
| nobody can speak for someone else, and since this is a public group, is
| certainly would be stupid for everyone that read your question to reply
| that "they didn't know". Now, just what makes you think you worthy of an
| answer? Perhaps you should consider what effort you put in as against
| what you seem to expect in return. And remember people only reply when
| they have something to say. Also, you may want to post under a different
| pseudonym for best future response.
|
|
|
| jwkh wrote:
|
| > I know, but they shouldn't volunteer if they aren't going to be here.
I'd at
| > least like a "you need to be in that group," or "MS doesn't have a fix,"
or
| > "we (I) have no idea."
| >
| > Of course, I'm acting out of frustration. I've posted dozens of times
and
| > have less than, maybe, a 15 percent response from any of them. Yet MS
has a
| > Web page touting them, with "profiles" of about half a dozen.
| >
| > MVP - the V stands for valuable. The implies value. There's no value
in
| > them not responding to as many questions as possible. Someone with the
MVP
| > "circle" should be checking to see if these questions are being
addressed.
| > If not, why even have the MVP program?
| >
| > And as to they have real lives too. So do I, and that life includes my
| > family, myself and work, usually in that order. I do pretty well at
| > balancing all, and I put in a lot of hours for all of them.
| >
| > jwkh
| >
| >
| > "Bob I" wrote:
| >
| >
| >>They are volunteers, with real lives too.
| >>
| >>jwkh wrote:
| >>
| >>
| >>>jwkh
| >>>
| >>>
| >>>
| >>
| >>
|
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Tom [Pepper] Willett
MVPs are *not* required to answer your questions.
| Derald,
|
| I'm not sure I fully agree on that...but I don't come here that often. I
| have seen MVPs' "comment's" over "posting for recognition." Something I
don't
| fully understand since I don't know what the MVP program is really about.
|
| Anyway, I've seen some great responses from MVPs...but even more from the
| grunts (other members).
|
| I just get upset that MS has a Web page that has so much about MVPs, but I
| see so many questions that are never replied to by any MVP.
|
| It seems to be an "official" program supported by MS, yet there is little
| support.
|
| That's just my opinion...I may be wrong.
|
| jwkh
|
|
| "Derald" wrote:
|
| > Well, since for the most part, they seem to be a group of top-posting
| > twits, they're on twit lists where they belong and, likely, going
| > unread.
| >
| >
| Derald,
|
| I'm not sure I fully agree on that...but I don't come here that often. I
| have seen MVPs' "comment's" over "posting for recognition." Something I
don't
| fully understand since I don't know what the MVP program is really about.
|
| Anyway, I've seen some great responses from MVPs...but even more from the
| grunts (other members).
|
| I just get upset that MS has a Web page that has so much about MVPs, but I
| see so many questions that are never replied to by any MVP.
|
| It seems to be an "official" program supported by MS, yet there is little
| support.
|
| That's just my opinion...I may be wrong.
|
| jwkh
|
|
| "Derald" wrote:
|
| > Well, since for the most part, they seem to be a group of top-posting
| > twits, they're on twit lists where they belong and, likely, going
| > unread.
| >
| >
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Guest
Let's see: this is a volunteer program supported (AND advertised) by MS as a
means of support. BUT the volunteer may pick and choose, or not do anything
at all? Then why have the program? Why be a "volunteer?" I did a lot of
volunteer work about 10 years ago. I didn't pick and choose; I helped
everyone in the line the best I could. And when I couldn't help, they had a
reason...like it or not...they had someone saying something.
I feel the MVP program is a MS sham. Just another way to push people into
support that's often worthless and just to get them to pay for support that
should be part of the product purchase.
That's just my opinion...I may be wrong.
jwkh
means of support. BUT the volunteer may pick and choose, or not do anything
at all? Then why have the program? Why be a "volunteer?" I did a lot of
volunteer work about 10 years ago. I didn't pick and choose; I helped
everyone in the line the best I could. And when I couldn't help, they had a
reason...like it or not...they had someone saying something.
I feel the MVP program is a MS sham. Just another way to push people into
support that's often worthless and just to get them to pay for support that
should be part of the product purchase.
That's just my opinion...I may be wrong.
jwkh
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Tom [Pepper] Willett
Nobody is required to give you a response. And, with your attitude, you're
lucky to get any.
| Let's see: this is a volunteer program supported (AND advertised) by MS
as a
| means of support. BUT the volunteer may pick and choose, or not do
anything
| at all? Then why have the program? Why be a "volunteer?" I did a lot of
| volunteer work about 10 years ago. I didn't pick and choose; I helped
| everyone in the line the best I could. And when I couldn't help, they had
a
| reason...like it or not...they had someone saying something.
|
| I feel the MVP program is a MS sham. Just another way to push people into
| support that's often worthless and just to get them to pay for support
that
| should be part of the product purchase.
|
| That's just my opinion...I may be wrong.
|
| jwkh
|
| "Tom [Pepper] Willett" wrote:
|
| > MVPs are *not* required to answer your questions.
| >
| > | > | Derald,
| > |
| > | I'm not sure I fully agree on that...but I don't come here that often.
I
| > | have seen MVPs' "comment's" over "posting for recognition." Something
I
| > don't
| > | fully understand since I don't know what the MVP program is really
about.
| > |
| > | Anyway, I've seen some great responses from MVPs...but even more from
the
| > | grunts (other members).
| > |
| > | I just get upset that MS has a Web page that has so much about MVPs,
but I
| > | see so many questions that are never replied to by any MVP.
| > |
| > | It seems to be an "official" program supported by MS, yet there is
little
| > | support.
| > |
| > | That's just my opinion...I may be wrong.
| > |
| > | jwkh
| > |
| > |
| > | "Derald" wrote:
| > |
| > | > Well, since for the most part, they seem to be a group of
top-posting
| > | > twits, they're on twit lists where they belong and, likely, going
| > | > unread.
| > | >
| > | >
| >
| >
| >
lucky to get any.
| Let's see: this is a volunteer program supported (AND advertised) by MS
as a
| means of support. BUT the volunteer may pick and choose, or not do
anything
| at all? Then why have the program? Why be a "volunteer?" I did a lot of
| volunteer work about 10 years ago. I didn't pick and choose; I helped
| everyone in the line the best I could. And when I couldn't help, they had
a
| reason...like it or not...they had someone saying something.
|
| I feel the MVP program is a MS sham. Just another way to push people into
| support that's often worthless and just to get them to pay for support
that
| should be part of the product purchase.
|
| That's just my opinion...I may be wrong.
|
| jwkh
|
| "Tom [Pepper] Willett" wrote:
|
| > MVPs are *not* required to answer your questions.
| >
| > | > | Derald,
| > |
| > | I'm not sure I fully agree on that...but I don't come here that often.
I
| > | have seen MVPs' "comment's" over "posting for recognition." Something
I
| > don't
| > | fully understand since I don't know what the MVP program is really
about.
| > |
| > | Anyway, I've seen some great responses from MVPs...but even more from
the
| > | grunts (other members).
| > |
| > | I just get upset that MS has a Web page that has so much about MVPs,
but I
| > | see so many questions that are never replied to by any MVP.
| > |
| > | It seems to be an "official" program supported by MS, yet there is
little
| > | support.
| > |
| > | That's just my opinion...I may be wrong.
| > |
| > | jwkh
| > |
| > |
| > | "Derald" wrote:
| > |
| > | > Well, since for the most part, they seem to be a group of
top-posting
| > | > twits, they're on twit lists where they belong and, likely, going
| > | > unread.
| > | >
| > | >
| >
| >
| >
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Herbert Eppel
Nobody is required to give you a response. And, with your attitude, you're
lucky to get any.
Hear, hear!
I don't come here that often and I'm not sure what caused "jwkh"'s
twisted attitude, but FWIW whenever I post a question here (or at
microsoft.public.word.application.errors, microsoft.public.access or
microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support) I'm impressed with the
helpfulness of the replies from MVPs and others, which is all the more
remarkable and commendable in view of the fact that I'm a actually a
Mozilla/open source fan (but nevertheless use Windows for my daily work
because my main software from atril.com depends on it).
In other words, credit where credit is due, and I regularly say so and
recommend these groups and/or quote solutions posted here in other forums.
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Guest
I owe a lot of people an apology. And I do apologize. But the fact remains
that I have serious concerns about MS support in its entirety. And this was
the wrong place to express that.
I always use the MS Knowledgebase first, then I read these groups a few
weeks back before I ask a question.
However, it's become pretty evident it's more cost effective for me to just
pay the $245 for direct MS support.
And when I do come back here to ask a question, I will NOT change my so
called pseudonym. (It is merely the 4 initials of my full name.) If people
do not respond to my questions because of my recent comments, it'll just
confirm my current concerns about the MS support alternatives.
jwkh
that I have serious concerns about MS support in its entirety. And this was
the wrong place to express that.
I always use the MS Knowledgebase first, then I read these groups a few
weeks back before I ask a question.
However, it's become pretty evident it's more cost effective for me to just
pay the $245 for direct MS support.
And when I do come back here to ask a question, I will NOT change my so
called pseudonym. (It is merely the 4 initials of my full name.) If people
do not respond to my questions because of my recent comments, it'll just
confirm my current concerns about the MS support alternatives.
jwkh
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Dave Patrick
Or try the MSDN managed groups
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2002/jan02/01-31vsnet.mspx
or the partner Microsoft Managed Newsgroups
https://partner.microsoft.com/40011586
--
Regards,
Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2002/jan02/01-31vsnet.mspx
or the partner Microsoft Managed Newsgroups
https://partner.microsoft.com/40011586
--
Regards,
Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect
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Guest
I really appreciate your information. I'm going to give both a try.
Thanks,
jwkh
Thanks,
jwkh
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Ven
Hey! Chil out dude! We all know ur frustuated just because you did not get
any ansnwer for your queries. Well, so do a lot of people - Some of my
earlier posts did not get a response. So what's the big deal ??? - I just
tried other sources and got an answer.
We are getting genuine reply from the MVP's - that mean they are spending
their quality time in helping us - so we should be thankful to them. Forget
about what MS has got to do with it.
There are a lot of websites in the Internet posting solutions to various
issues - but mind you - they might not be authentic. Its always a risk to
try their solutions.
Atleast here u are safe and you are avoiding spending $$$'s to MS for a
quick reply.
If anybody has problem with this kind of support then go elsewhere - but
please dont waste ur time and the MVP's.
Whatever support the MVP's have given me have worked. I respect and
appreciate that.
Thanks
Ven
any ansnwer for your queries. Well, so do a lot of people - Some of my
earlier posts did not get a response. So what's the big deal ??? - I just
tried other sources and got an answer.
We are getting genuine reply from the MVP's - that mean they are spending
their quality time in helping us - so we should be thankful to them. Forget
about what MS has got to do with it.
There are a lot of websites in the Internet posting solutions to various
issues - but mind you - they might not be authentic. Its always a risk to
try their solutions.
Atleast here u are safe and you are avoiding spending $$$'s to MS for a
quick reply.
If anybody has problem with this kind of support then go elsewhere - but
please dont waste ur time and the MVP's.
Whatever support the MVP's have given me have worked. I respect and
appreciate that.
Thanks
Ven
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Enkidu
MVPs (I was one) are rewarded for contributions in many areas and notjwkh said:Derald,
I'm not sure I fully agree on that...but I don't come here that often. I
have seen MVPs' "comment's" over "posting for recognition." Something I don't
fully understand since I don't know what the MVP program is really about.
Anyway, I've seen some great responses from MVPs...but even more from the
grunts (other members).
I just get upset that MS has a Web page that has so much about MVPs, but I
see so many questions that are never replied to by any MVP.
It seems to be an "official" program supported by MS, yet there is little
support.
That's just my opinion...I may be wrong.
just this forum. Also, those who do contribute to this forum are
contributing on the same basis as anyone else - as a poster - and not
because they are required to answer questions. However you may get a
better or more accurate response from an MVP than from another poster.
Microsoft do not support the MVP program - the MVP is an award for
services to the community by individuals from MS. MVPs do not get paid,
and contribute their time for free.
There aren't that many MVPs either - last time I looked there were
20,000 - and few of them are actually awarded the MVP for contributions
in the forums.
Cheers,
Cliff