Whats Broken?

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One day i was happily playing my ususal game i play, not touched any
setting on my computer for a long long time and ... BOOM! no warning my
computer just switches off...

The PSU is now making a high piched noise... so that has been replaced
with a brand new one. but still does not work.

Here is what happens.
I press the power button on the front of my computer. All fans inside
spin for 1 second, lights on front of pc flick once, and back off again
after 1 second. no sign of anything happening what so ever.

Im thinking the Motherboard is bust, but i also think that the CPU
could be. cant test with any old equptment as it will not fit. Can
anyone find out or tell me if they know what is wrong?

Thanks in advance

Dave
 
One day i was happily playing my ususal game i play, not touched any
setting on my computer for a long long time and ... BOOM! no warning my
computer just switches off...

The PSU is now making a high piched noise... so that has been replaced
with a brand new one. but still does not work.

Here is what happens.
I press the power button on the front of my computer. All fans inside
spin for 1 second, lights on front of pc flick once, and back off again
after 1 second. no sign of anything happening what so ever.

Im thinking the Motherboard is bust, but i also think that the CPU
could be. cant test with any old equptment as it will not fit. Can
anyone find out or tell me if they know what is wrong?

Thanks in advance

Dave

Try disconnecting EVERYTHING except the MB and see if the power supply
will come up. It could be drawing too much current from a plug in card,
or a drive being supplied by the PS.
 
One day i was happily playing my ususal game i play, not
touched any setting on my computer for a long long time
and ... BOOM! no warning my computer just switches off...
The PSU is now making a high piched noise... so that has
been replaced with a brand new one. but still does not work.
Here is what happens.
I press the power button on the front of my computer. All fans inside
spin for 1 second, lights on front of pc flick once, and back off
again after 1 second. no sign of anything happening what so ever.
Im thinking the Motherboard is bust,
Likely.

but i also think that the CPU could be.

Very unlikely. They dont usually die like that and dont usually
die unless you've been doing something stupid like running
without the heatsink or have been overdoing it overclocking.
cant test with any old equptment as it will not fit. Can
anyone find out or tell me if they know what is wrong?

Its very likely the motherboard has died.

It would be worth seeing what happens with everything except
the cpu unplugged from the motherboard and no power connected
to the drives, its possible something else died and is now producing
a short on the power supply and stopping it starting.

Check for bad caps on the motherboard. These are the usually blue
or black plastic covered post like things that stick up vertically from
the motherboard. The tops should be flat. If any have bulged or have
leaked, those are bad caps and are likely the problem.

There is a small possibility that you have a short to case and the best
test for that possibility is to run the motherboard loose on the desktop.
 
One day i was happily playing my ususal game i play, not touched any
setting on my computer for a long long time and ... BOOM! no warning my
computer just switches off...

The PSU is now making a high piched noise... so that has been replaced
with a brand new one. but still does not work.

Here is what happens.
I press the power button on the front of my computer. All fans inside
spin for 1 second, lights on front of pc flick once, and back off again
after 1 second. no sign of anything happening what so ever.

Im thinking the Motherboard is bust, but i also think that the CPU
could be. cant test with any old equptment as it will not fit. Can
anyone find out or tell me if they know what is wrong?

Unplug the power cable (RED, BLACK, BLACK, YELLOW) from the drive
devices one at a time, trying to power up the system after each one.
Once all drive devices have been unplugged, plug just one or two
back in and disconnect power from the MB. This will isolate what
device went bad. [I'm betting on the HD.]
 
Unplug the power cable (RED, BLACK, BLACK, YELLOW) from the drive
devices one at a time, trying to power up the system after each one.
Once all drive devices have been unplugged, plug just one or two
back in and disconnect power from the MB. This will isolate what
device went bad. [I'm betting on the HD.]

Its MUCH more often the motherboard or the power supply.

HDs hardly ever die like that.
 
Since you replaced the PSU (most likely culprit), then the second most
likely is the motherboard has died. (CPU's almost never fail unless they
have been really overclocked and not adequately cooled.)
 
Rod said:
Unplug the power cable (RED, BLACK, BLACK, YELLOW) from the drive
devices one at a time, trying to power up the system after each one.
Once all drive devices have been unplugged, plug just one or two
back in and disconnect power from the MB. This will isolate what
device went bad. [I'm betting on the HD.]

Its MUCH more often the motherboard or the power supply.

HDs hardly ever die like that.

I've got a Maxtor sitting right in front of me that failed in
*exactly* as the OP's described. Not the first time I seen it.
 
[I'm betting on the HD.]

Ive tried running without HD and still doesnt boot up to bios, gonna
test GFX card in another persons comp today but i think that should be
fine.

Ive tried it a few time with just mobo and GFX card plugged up and
still nothing.

luckily my power supply supplier will test the motherboard and give me
a new one if it bust, as long as i blame there PSU for killing it i get
it for free :)

Thanks for all the help people, and if anyone else wants to add some
comments feel free but ive had enough resposes to suit my needs :)
 
UCLAN said:
Rod said:
Unplug the power cable (RED, BLACK, BLACK, YELLOW) from the drive
devices one at a time, trying to power up the system after each one.
Once all drive devices have been unplugged, plug just one or two
back in and disconnect power from the MB. This will isolate what
device went bad. [I'm betting on the HD.]

Its MUCH more often the motherboard or the power supply.

HDs hardly ever die like that.

I've got a Maxtor sitting right in front of me that failed in
*exactly* as the OP's described. Not the first time I seen it.

The words HARDLY EVER were used for a reason.

They mean something different to NEVER.
 
One day i was happily playing my ususal game i play, not touched any
setting on my computer for a long long time and ... BOOM! no warning my
computer just switches off...

Does "boom" mean you're nuts, or does it mean you actually
heard an explosion, or a pop, or ??

What make, model and rating for the PSU?
I'd expect your PSU blew out a capacitor, sometimes they
don't vent very gracefully and shoot the top off if not
entirely peeling it away. If you (disconnect from AC first)
the PSU and inspect the inside you may see the problem - or
at least shards of what used to be a capacitor like bits of
paper or foil, and if the metal can from the cap flew into
the wrong place, it can really do some damage though this is
a lot less likely than that it just blew out killing the PSU
then the poor design of the PSU kept it running too long and
that might've killed some of the equipment it was powering.

It would be good to find a fault on the old PSU even having
a new one, to try to determine cause and effect. It could
be the old PSU just shut off because something it was
powering was damaged and it still works fine.


The PSU is now making a high piched noise... so that has been replaced
with a brand new one. but still does not work.

It could mean the PSU is bad but given a certain load range
some psu would whine when they otherwise wouldn't. In other
words it could be a sign of a problem but not necessarily.
Obviously having the new PSU hooked up is a sign something
still isn't right but have you determined the new PSU is
viable for the system (as in, properly working, decent
quality, at least enough current capability for the demands
of the system?).

BTW, it would be nice to always post a concise description
of the system at the beginning of a hardware forum post when
there's any possiblity there is more than one part in
question.


Here is what happens.
I press the power button on the front of my computer. All fans inside
spin for 1 second, lights on front of pc flick once, and back off again
after 1 second. no sign of anything happening what so ever.

This is a typical sign the PSU can't keep the voltage up,
and through undervoltage or overcurrent it's shutting down.
That can happen if the PSU merely has insufficient current
capability for an otherwise working system, but if we assume
for a moment that this new PSU is appropriate and working
properly, it would tend to be most likely you have another
part that has failed in a way that is shorting it out.

To determine this you would strip the system down to bare
essentials and even less...

First hook up only the motherboard. Try to turn it on, what
happens? Of course there won't be video output/etc but does
the PSU keep running? Next put the CPU back in, making sure
heatsink is on good. If you hook up the heatsink fan now
(not really necessary as the CPU/sink won't get hot enough
to matter within the few seconds it would take to see if the
system stays turned on, BUT if you hook the fan up too and
the system doesn't stay on, next try it without the fan
plugged in, just in case you had a rare fan failure).

Next video or memory, repeat the turn-on attempt then try
the other part. Anytime the PSU shuts off as it had been,
be sure to unplug the system from AC for at least a few
minutes, some PSU will not turn back on until they're
disconnected to reset.

Speaking of reset, it wouldn't hurt to clear CMOS right at
the start, also with AC power disconnected. If your board
is aged enough that the battery might be worn out, check
that too... since having the system disconnected for awhile
may have run down the battery finally.


Im thinking the Motherboard is bust, but i also think that the CPU
could be. cant test with any old equptment as it will not fit. Can
anyone find out or tell me if they know what is wrong?

Certain board failures could damage a CPU, but usually not.
I would assume the CPU is ok for the time being, but only
you can decide if (based on age of system or whatever) now
is the time to get a newer (faster, etc) motherboard and CPU
pair instead of just a new board for the old CPU (if that
seems to be the next step).

After having tried to power on the other things mentioned
above next would be adding back a drive at a time, the other
cards one at a time, etc, etc. If I had to place odds,
they'd be that the motherboard died, though since you were
gaming the video card is a little bit suspect as well as it
was under more stress (and continually so if you're gaming
somewhat frequently), and you might also check the video
card fan, that it turns freely instead of being seized,
having failed and damaged the video GPU.
 
Rod said:
Unplug the power cable (RED, BLACK, BLACK, YELLOW) from the drive
devices one at a time, trying to power up the system after each one.
Once all drive devices have been unplugged, plug just one or two
back in and disconnect power from the MB. This will isolate what
device went bad. [I'm betting on the HD.]

Its MUCH more often the motherboard or the power supply.

HDs hardly ever die like that.

I've got a Maxtor sitting right in front of me that failed in
*exactly* as the OP's described. Not the first time I seen it.


Lots of things are theoretically possible but HDDs don't
generally die like this, don't usually short out the PSU
such that it turns off, and in the rare cases where they
might fail by any method, there isn't much on them that
would make a "boom" sound if that was actually a noise the
OP heard. It also shouldnt have killed the PSU unless that
PSU was junk in the first place.

You can bet on anything you like but it would be a poor bet.
 
One day i was happily playing my ususal game i play, not touched any
setting on my computer for a long long time and ... BOOM! no warning my
computer just switches off...

The PSU is now making a high piched noise... so that has been replaced
with a brand new one. but still does not work.

Here is what happens.
I press the power button on the front of my computer. All fans inside
spin for 1 second, lights on front of pc flick once, and back off again
after 1 second. no sign of anything happening what so ever.

Im thinking the Motherboard is bust, but i also think that the CPU
could be. cant test with any old equptment as it will not fit. Can
anyone find out or tell me if they know what is wrong?

Thanks in advance

Dave

If the Power Supply been replaced (if computer make siren sound then most
likely CPU overheat) and computer still won't boot. I think the CPU is
roasted. But you can always remove all devices like graphic card, IDE
drives etc.. to see if any cause problem, then reconnect one-by-one to find
out which one causing the problem.
 
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